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Is your chabad preschool run by meshichists?

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lubavitcher rebbe moshiach chabadHey Hesh,

I have a chabad question for you. I saw a poster at my son’s chabad preschool that has a picture of the rebbe and the yechi adoneinu line on it. Does that mean these particular chabadnicks are meshichists for sure? Or just maybe? Or that they tolerate people putting up such posters?

Thanks–I figure you’re an expert in this.

best,

Name withheld

An old friend of mine sent me this, first off, I’m kind of shocked he sent his kid to chabad preschool in the first place. Then again, where he lives, like most out of town locales, there is nothing else besides chabad. My wife said that without a doubt they are open meshichists, but as we all know, most chabadnicks believe in some sort of way that the Rebbe is moshiach. Whether they chant yechi like madmen in Tzfat and 770, or they say “I wish he was moshiach” or “we don’t know”, it’s rare to meet someone who blatantly tells you that the Rebbe passed away.

Why this all matters, I’m not so sure. If you look across the Jewish spectrum you can find all sorts of messed up beliefs, but in this case, meshichists are rarely hurting anyone except for their voices and ears from all the shouting. I’m also not so certain that a chabad preschool is going to be able to indoctrinate a youngster to the point that he can’t be turned the other way.

Back to the question: Does having a picture of the rebbe with yechi on it, mean that you are a meshichist?

It definitely means that you aren’t what’s known as an “anti meshichist”, these folks tend to be a bit crazy in their own right. If I were you, I’d just ask them. Much of the time they will deny it, but it’s pretty hard to deny when it’s right there in the building.

What do you folks think?

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  • Crowin’ cock

    I believe that that actual flag may have been in existence before the Rebbe passed away (gasp). The yechi crowd hijacked the symbol after gimmel Tammuz just as they hijacked 770 and much of the rest of the movement.

  • Bear-of-Peace

    Chabadnik here. Open display of materials containing “Yechi” is a pretty clear-cut way of self-identifying as Meshichist, at least to some degree. The question of whether you should pull your kid out of such a school is an entirely different and much more complex discussion (My opinion: it should be a factor but not only or deciding factor).

    • Crowin’ Cock

      The Yechi’s eventually took over the local school my boys were attending. I simply poked fun at the idea all along, and my kids learned to separate to “good from the bad” at an early age.

      Eventually pulled them all out of there for a number of reason’s, we were lucky to have a few other choices. Some areas don’t.

  • Aliza

    Without doing an official survey – I have noticed a difference in the kind of personalities who are drawn to the yellow flag – with all its implications – and those who reject it. The more spirited personality will most likely be a Meshichist. It is the intellects who reject the idea, and as we know, a dominance of intellect is associated with a colder personality. For pre-school, if all else is equal, the child will be infused with more enthusiasm, if the school is identified as Meshechist.

    • Crowin’ Cock

      Hitler had a very “spirited personality”. Does that means that teaching your kids Nazi ideology will infuse them with more enthusiasm?

      • Pim

        This is Godwin’s law/Reductio ad hitlerum at its finest.

      • Tuv

        all mass movements have enthusiastic personalities that aim to exclude all outside voices. without these elements, mass movements dissolve.

  • Dave

    Look at the positives here.

    Finally, secular Jews who send their children to Catholic Schools and Orthodox Jews who send their children to Chabad Schools will have something in common!

    • A. Nuran

      Mesichist “Completed Jews” still haven’t progressed to the point of allowing bacon. So there’s still that.

  • Please
  • Chaim Danzinger

    Does anyone else get that Lubavitch women want to sleep with their dead rebbe the same way Christian women want to marry Yoshka?

    It explains their choice in marriage partners.

    • Anonymous

      What the heck.

      • Anonymous

        seconded

  • Yirmi

    Looks can be deceiving. I know of a school with a photo of a kid with a yechi kippa on their website, but I think it is a coincidence, because the Chabadniks who run the school definitely aren’t meshichists, and neither are most of the kids who go to the school. Some of the teachers probably are (which I assume only because of the families they are in), but they don’t impose it on the students, and even Yeshivish and some Modern kids send their kids there and it’s generally not an issue.

  • Chaim Danzinger

    All Chabadniks believe the Rebbe is Moshiach at *some* level.

    I honestly believe all Chabadniks anticipate his “return” before they go to bed.

    • A

      That’s crazy thinking.

      • Crowin’ cock

        Danziger,

        You obviously have a warped sense of reality. I grew up in Lubavitch community and daven in their shul every day. I don’t believe in any of the stupidities that you claim that I do. Nor do many others that I know. I suggest you get your facts straight before lumping everyone into the same category.

  • Messiah

    Chabad obsession with Moshiach is annoying.

    • Bear-of-Peace

      Your obsession with Chabad’s obsession with Moshiach is annoying

      • Anonymous

        Your shilling for chabad is annoying

        • Bear-of-Peace

          Your mindless hatred for a group of people you know nothing about is annoying.

          • Peace

            Your obsession with a dead man is idolatry.

            • Bear-of-Peace

              Your misunderstanding of the meaning of the word “Obsession” and your complete inability to grasp basic concepts in Judaism is not annoying, just sad.

              • Peace

                Okay. I’ve hit a nerve. And if you respond that will be my proof.

                • Bear-of-Peace

                  What a completely stupid thing to say. How can calling me and my entire community a bunch of Idolaters not hit a nerve? If you’re just here trolling then hats off to you, job well done; if you’re being serious however, i must regretfully inform you that you are a moron.

                  • Anonymous

                    Look at the video Please posted above. How do you explain that from your group?

                    You guys are more weird than Satmar.

  • Anonymous

    Excuse me. your shilling for a MESSIANIC CULT, is annoying

  • Torah True

    Chabadniks need to admit to themselves that they are Messianic Jews and that they are ideologically no different from Christians, despite their Jewish trappings. Believing that one dead man- Schneersohn- is Moshiach is no different from believing that Yoshka is Moshiach. In fact, believing that a rebbe has mystical powers and is an intercessor with G-d, or believing that Moshiach will come from your rebbe’s family, the way many Hasidim or Breslovers do, is also pretty darn Christian, in my opinion.

    Hasidism clearly observed the theological trends of Reformation Christianity. Full stop.

    • Crowin’ cock

      Torah True,

      While I believe that Yechi’s are borderline idol worship, that doesn’t mean that anyone that was/is part of Chabad is the same.

      In general, it’s perfectly normal for Chassidim to follow a Rebbe. All Chassidic sects have done so since the time of the Baal Shem Tov. Going further back to Talmudic times, people followed the opinions of their local rabbis, and those tzadikkim may well have been the equivalent of modern day rebbes to them. People still flock to their graves, whether in Jerusalem, Tiveria, Meron, Uman or Queens, which are considered holy sites to Jews (and even many non Jews).

      Furthermore, the talmud brings down cases of people believing that their master were going to be mashiach, so the idea isn’t that far fetched. Though I did believe that the Rebbe was mashiach when I was a child and he was still alive, I realized that we missed the boat, and that can no longer happen as he is gone.

      Eventually, mashiach is going to have to come from somewhere, whether he is Sephardic, Ashkenaz, Chassidic, or Litvish. He’ll then have the monumental challenge of convincing all the other fighting factions that he’s the real deal.

      • Anonymous

        Or he came 2,000 years ago and was able to convince some factions and unable to convince other factions.

  • Bear-of-Peace

    Mr. Danzinger, there is a legitimate and worthwhile discussion to be had about Chabad’s practices and beliefs. I obviously as a member of that community believe them to be in accordance with Torah and Halachah but, I understand that you and others have serious issues with it. I don’t think I can convince you, I am neither educated enough nor you open-minded enough to make that happen.

    What I think we can both agree on is that it is wrong to vilify and demonize an entire community of your fellow Jews. There are just as many Gedolim and Roshei Yeshivos who don’t believe that Chabad is a Pseudo-Christian Messianic cult; we are for the most part accepted as a legitimate part of the greater Torah observant community.

    An important point for you and others to understand is that within Chabad things are not black and white. You don’t have to be a Meshichist or an Anti, there is an entire spectrum of possible thought and opinion one can have on the subject, there exists nothing even closely resembling consensus. To paint an entire group with the same brush is simply wrong, and the language commonly used in this discussion is inappropriate for people who claim to be defending the Torah.