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Baal Teshuvas are a danger to the Orthodox community

baal teshuvaI’ve said before, but I just read something so disturbing that I think I need to reiterate the fact that the BT movement is destroying our community from within. I’m not just talking about polluting the pure blood yichus and mesorah of the FFB master race, I’m actually talking about a full fledged movement that seeks to destroy Orthodoxy as we know it. Pop Chassid has written an article that explains exactly what I have been saying all along, that BT’s are seeking an escape from their former lives, only to try and bring snippets of their former lives with them. Unfortunately, these snippets of their former lives are usually the negative aspects, concepts such as sexy and tznius, art, culture, music, and other things which have been banished from our community in order that we stay strong and don’t assimilate. Unfortunately, there is big money in the kiruv industry and rather than try to save the droves of pure blood FFB’s that are leaving the derech, they are trying to bring in damaged and assimilated Jews. It’s a fearful thing when our community has decided that non-religious college kids are more important to bring into the fold, than at-risk chassidish kids with impeccable yichus, but money has always been the biggest issue. Most of the kiruv industry doesn’t understand that our yiddishkeit is being dragged down into secularism because of the Baal Teshuva movement they created.

The point of becoming frum is not to rebel against anyone, the point is to see the truth that lies in authentic Judaism and to embrace it with all your might. Pop Chassid and many of these other “artsy” baalei teshuva do not get it and they are trying to rebel against the Orthodox establishment. They obviously take the few negative bloggers spreading loshon horah about a small minority of Jews seriously. It’s not like everyone in the Orthodox world is molesting little kids or supporting those molestors, it’s not like everyone is cheating on the government, or into beating up women who wear red. However, many BT’s acculturate into Orthodoxy through the internet, they believe what they read on blogs to be true and then judge the Orthodox world by it and are now trying to rebel against the minority. It is possible that the kiruv industry is to blame for their famed art of manipulation and the fact that most kiruv is done in a way that gets BT’s to go to the extreme right. How many centrist or modern orthodox groups are doing kiruv on a mass scale like Aish or Chabad?

On a more serious note, this BT rebellion is dangerous because it introduces decidedly non-Orthodox ideas into the community. Pop Chassid and his followers are trying to start a revolution for personal and selfish reasons. If you don’t like that the Orthodox world doesn’t have arts and culture, you have to realize that it’s not about the lack of talent, it’s all got to do with assimilation. Just look at what happened to Matisyahu and Y-Love, two artists who became frum, tried to rebel and in the end left the derech. Do you want to just end up on the fringe of the community without any true support. The biggest fear that I have is that the elements that seek to destroy Orthodoxy such as the YCT and OTD communities, will join with this rebel band of BT artists, and embrace their cause, only to understand the ill effects that it will have.

If perfectly fine Orthodox Jews leave the derech because of the library, imagine the ill effect that goyishe music and arts will have on them. What Pop Chassid doesn’t realize is that Baal Teshuvas have always posed a threat to the Orthodox community for the very reasons he wants to change it, they have always brought their secular lifestyles and alternative views with them. Even the superstars of kiruv could only hope to completely change a BT’s lifestyle and views, but usually they creep in after they hit their peak of craziness.

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  • Y.J. December 5, 2013, 11:46 AM

    What scares me here is that I can’t tell if you are serious or not with this article. I sincerely hope this is satire however.

    • Heshy Fried December 5, 2013, 11:50 AM

      That’s the best thing about satire, plenty of people will think it’s fake, but plenty will think it’s real and agree with it. It’s geared for you to decide.

      • Sergey Kadinsky December 5, 2013, 12:27 PM

        Frum Satire at its finest. BTs are here to ask how is it possible that some individuals in frum clothing can get away with abuse, withholding gets or cheating on taxes.

        We do not paint with a wide brush, but then we see Avrohom Meir Weiss protected by his yichus and allowed to attend kollel while withholding the get and we audaciously use social media to raise awareness and question the status quo.

        We’re not trying to rebel, we’re trying to uphold the values of Torah-based Judaism that were being neglected by some FFBs. If a gadol told me that left is right, I’d accept it as Daas Torah, but only after a lengthy discussion.

        • tesyaa December 5, 2013, 12:48 PM

          Have you talked to the people who mekareved you about the upsetting events in the FFB community? How do they explain it to you?

        • Anonymous December 6, 2013, 8:48 AM

          Because as long as they keep Shabbat and Kosher, all is well and those who don’t are the Bain of existence.

          Basically, they are full of shit. They make their own rules to justify them being complete trash.

          • Dan December 6, 2013, 11:07 AM

            You should ask me instead. Ill tell you that if you became frum because you’re the type of person who has a negative attitude about everything and that is why you left your previous life, then I could care-a-less if you stay frum or not.

    • Robert Goldman December 6, 2013, 8:35 AM

      Heshy, did you know that Moshe Rabenu was not Frum from birth, he succeeded in becoming the greatest man to ever walk the face of the earth for all time, he grew up in a non frum palace where his step dad was worshioing over 2,000 avoda zaras and not only did his path from the Palace have all kinds of promiscuity but his step dad enslaved all the Jews and was murdering all the new born males, before you make a comment about Baal Teshuvas “Destroying anything” please see the Almighty’s comments on what happened to Miriam and Aharon when they spoke lason hara on “His Moshe” not a good place to be Heshy, you might just want to reconsider your view point on this one.

      • No Evidence of Jews in Egypt December 6, 2013, 10:06 AM

        Don’t forget to mention Goldie Locks and the 3 Bears…

        • tesyaa December 6, 2013, 10:58 AM

          Best comment ever

      • Anon December 6, 2013, 10:25 AM

        You believe everything that read?

      • Reb Yitz December 6, 2013, 12:01 PM

        Moshe was not “frum?” Nobody was “frum” until that word was invented by Yiddish speakers in the 18th or 19th century.I absolutely love it (not) when people apply this shtetle nonsense to biblical figures. The world of the Bible bore no resemblance whatsoever to the yeshivish world of today.

      • 4r3 December 7, 2013, 1:47 PM

        Nice point, but aint it called frumSATIRE?

      • Heshy Fried December 8, 2013, 12:42 AM

        Where in the post did I even mention that I hold from Moshe Rabeinu? I hold from Rav Moshe for sure, but Moshe Rabeinu was the cause of such tzaras and I blame it on the fact he was a BT, but was he really BT? His parents were frum…

  • ksil December 5, 2013, 12:23 PM

    is there anyone that thinks there is “big money” in kiruv? seriously?

    • mike December 6, 2013, 10:15 AM

      how else did aish afford to have a building overlooking the Kotel?

  • Shelly December 5, 2013, 12:39 PM

    Would have assumes this was satire, but you left nothing for us to decide – you said on FB not to consider it satire. Scary indeed if it’s not satire…

  • Anonymous December 5, 2013, 12:48 PM

    Honestly I’ve been thinking about this topic for a while. As a somewhat disillusioned Bt myself agree with most of what PopChassid had to say but unfortunately Heshy’s post isn’t that far off from the sentiment felt (possibly rightly so) by the chareidi and chassidish community. The fact that BTs want the best of both worlds is ok but to try and bring the rest of the orthodox community who are uninterested and unwilling into the mix is wrong. BTs who aren’t ready to shut out everything they’ve ever known and completely throw themselves into mainstream orthodoxy need to form a separate and welcoming community that respects Torah values and Light but also allows you to keep ur individuality. This is the only way to keep the religious world from imploding because of secular influence thru BTs and the only way for BTs to ever feel comfortable with their identity. This can be done. I’m 20 years old now. G-d willing my grandchildren will be able to serve G-d in a pure and holy way without any of the bullshit that goes on in so many communities because of the need to fit in and be symmetrical.

    • another disillusioned BT December 6, 2013, 5:01 AM

      good comment

  • frum gay girl December 5, 2013, 9:57 PM

    I’ve wondered about this for years…

    And I also had to laugh about all those people going off the derech “because of the library.” Someone reblogged one of my posts and claimed that the article “proved” that the library turned a good frum woman gay. Had I known that the library was a gay transmogrifyer, I could have made a million renting it out.

    • frum treif boy December 6, 2013, 5:02 AM

      frum and gay mix like frum and baccon

  • SJ December 6, 2013, 6:13 AM

    The OTD movement are gays and their liberal supporters.

    • Anonymous December 6, 2013, 6:51 AM

      Mostly but I’m a BT who is basically OTD and I’m a straight, married Republican.

  • TT December 6, 2013, 7:15 AM
  • Satiredout December 6, 2013, 8:03 AM

    You should really thank Pop Chassid for this post! Clearly, he is the driving force behind several of your posts. Time to latch on to Failed Messiah, right? Have a great Shabbos!

    • Heshy Fried December 8, 2013, 12:43 AM

      We speak all the time, email Elad and ask him which blogger is the influence behind his blog. I still think the BT’s are the beginning of the end, if they rebel against the gedolim and daas Torah, how will we ever figure out who to talk to about sex abuse.

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