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Nothing like a good racist video about being tznius

I’m just giving you the fair warning that the following video is racist and gets pretty ugly at about the 39 minute mark, after that it’s priceless(that’s where you should skip to if you want to witness what my yeshiva education was like) Rabbi Wallerstein, who had such a nice presentation at the Agudah Convention a couple of weeks ago, wasn’t very nice in this video. He basically calls black and latin music for animals in the jungle and discourages women from doing Zumba, after all Sarah Imeinu wouldn’t have done such things. She didn’t have to, because she was a super hottie already. Wallerstein does the classic mussar, “we’re spiraling downward in our morals” thing as he says that the only reason Zumba is allowed is because Satan tricked us into thinking that dancing like animals in the jungle to goyishe music is exercise. Hat tip Rachmuna.

I’m still not sure why women are never talking so violently about the “lack” of tznius in their communities, the men seem like the animals in the jungle who can’t get a hold of themselves.

Find out more about Rabbi Wallerstein on 4torah.com

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  • frum single female December 2, 2013, 5:46 PM

    Wow. This is disturbing on so many levels. I was not clear, is he speaking to men or women? I am thinking he is speaking to men which is a bit disturbing because this shiur is provocative in not the way he thinks he is intending. I also would like to know what heter he goes by that says he’s allowed to watch a zumba class with women in it? I am too lazy to go to a zumba class, but after hearing him spew such hatred I am thinking of taking one. I can add Rabbi Wallerstein’s name to rabbis who I will never attend a shiur of. If anyone would like to know why people are going off the derech, well there you have it – exhibit A.

    • Anonymous December 2, 2013, 6:26 PM

      Actually he says that he gave the same shiur to boys prior, so I’m guessing this is a girls shiur.

    • tesyaa December 2, 2013, 8:00 PM

      I am too lazy to go to a zumba class, but after hearing him spew such hatred I am thinking of taking one.

      Well said! Goes double for me!

      • Aliza Hausman December 3, 2013, 10:53 PM

        Hi, my name is Aliza and I do Zumba five times a week and I’ve lost 50 pounds and become healthier and I’m a rabbi’s wife and according to Judaism, Sarah is my mama. Oh and I like run-on sentences. 😉

  • sarah gray December 2, 2013, 5:56 PM

    Yeah, this is both racist and sexist in the extra-creepy way that religious based sexism usually is. Ugh.

  • chevramaidel December 2, 2013, 6:22 PM

    The only thing that surprises me is that I usually expect such ranting to come from the Chassidishe community. The people I have known in the Yeshivishe velt have tended to be more conscientious about shmiras halashon. Guess I just don’t get out enough.

  • q December 2, 2013, 7:12 PM

    when is this speech from?

  • Rev Yid December 2, 2013, 7:28 PM

    This guy is judgmental, racist, sexist, arrogant and hostile. If he wasn’t Jewish he would be a huge anti Semite.

    • Izzy December 3, 2013, 3:12 PM

      I’m always amazed at Reb-Men who feel authorized to be spokesman for women and define moral corruption for them as a though he was the voice of Hashem. It’s not too far-fetched to call this a Yiddishe-Antisemite. I pity the people who believe his crap.

  • Rabbi Arnie Samlan December 2, 2013, 7:43 PM

    I kind of like that he quotes Ruth (Rus) and Boaz as the ideal Torah couple, ignoring them having relations on the threshing floor.

    • Heshy Fried December 2, 2013, 8:31 PM

      But it was a different time, it’s kind of like the how Artscroll explains that prostitution was legalized during the times of Yehuda and Tamar so it was cool.

      • chaim kanievsky December 3, 2013, 11:38 AM

        heshy I need you to add a button that you can like comments (kind of like on facebook just with a dislike button also)

      • Reb Noach December 3, 2013, 1:37 PM

        Heshy- in one post you have encapsulated the entirety of the boot strap reasoning these guys do. Whenever they are confronted with anything from the tanach that doesn’t fit into their 18th century shtetl mode of thinking, they say the tanach was a “different time” and not applicable now. How come then it doesn’t work the other way as well? Why don’t they ever say we don’t have to behave like we live in 18th century Poland because we live in a “different time” and the rules that applied then (separation of the sexes, dressing like a Polish aristocrat) don’t apply now. This guys whole concept of “tznius” from Sarah is also warped. She didn’t come out of the tent because it was hot. Where do they come up with this self-serving crap? There is beauty in Judaism and guys like this just squeeze all the beauty out of it with all their sexual hang-ups and repressed thoughts.

    • ISR December 2, 2013, 9:42 PM

      Or was that the “thrashing” floor…?

    • Anonymous December 4, 2013, 10:27 AM

      it says in the passuk that he did not know her then at that time

  • Mimi December 2, 2013, 8:04 PM

    Okay, so what is “Jewish music” and how I get hold of some to exercise to?

    • Aliza Hausman December 3, 2013, 10:55 PM

      One Pesach, I saw an elderly woman shimmy her hips like nobody’s business to Moroccan Jewish music. When I grow up, I want to be her!

  • R' Talli Bahn December 2, 2013, 8:31 PM

    If only we had video cameras in our pocket phones when I was in Yeshiva. The shiurim I heard were more more bigoted and to the point. e.g. “You have to wonder why Hashem created goyim? What good are they? They don’t do mitzvos. I’ll tell you why Hashem created goyim. To make the pens and paper so we can take notes when we learn. They are here to help us learn toyrah. Our job is to learn, their job is to make the stuff we need to help us learn.”

    The lesson: videos of shiurim are the downfall of the yeshiva mussar shmu’ez. The maggidei shiur were safe when everything was contained in the room they spoke in. Now that information spreads, they will have to rethink how they disseminate their “toyrah” in ways that don’t make them look like the shmucks they are.

    • chaim kanievsky December 3, 2013, 11:39 AM

      now they usually only say the good stuff on shabbos

      • jacob December 3, 2013, 12:47 PM

        Exactly. Rabbi Shimshi Sherer referred to the President as “the Schvartze in the White House” – on Shabbos.

        • Anonymous December 3, 2013, 1:52 PM

          like

  • Schwartzie December 2, 2013, 8:37 PM

    He should outlaw sex completely– is mommy gonna stir the cholent with the same hand that was grabbing tatty’s cock the night before? And is mommy going to tell little Baila all about it when she asks, just like mommy told her about her pole dancing exercise? “What were you doing last night, Mommy?” “I was tasting Tatty’s schvantz and then I rode it till I came.”

    So don’t tell your freakin kids that you’re doing pole dancing. And don’t tell em how you screw, either. But you don’t have to prevent yourself from going near anything risque just because there’s a v’hu rachum later on.

    • rjh18 December 4, 2013, 8:25 AM

      Ur argument holds no water. Relations is a mitzvah while jumping up and down to shvartze music isn’t.

  • ModernOrthodoxObserver December 2, 2013, 9:06 PM

    “Jewish music doesn’t move that way”

    Obviously he doesn’t qualify Sepharadi Music as music.

    • MJ December 3, 2013, 10:49 AM

      You forgot the “borsch hashem” 😉 In promising news, if he doesn’t make it as a Rabbi, he would be awesome as a comedian or a cult leader somewhere…

    • Aliza Hausman December 3, 2013, 10:57 PM

      Thank you! Well said!

  • q December 2, 2013, 9:15 PM

    Heshy.. as proven by his speech at the agudah convention he has his head on straight.. maybe you should give him a chance.

    • Anonymous December 4, 2013, 1:11 PM

      thank you

  • q December 2, 2013, 9:19 PM

    do you honestly believe jewish women should be pole dancing?? lets be honest. this rabbi is 100% correct.

    • Heshy Fried December 2, 2013, 9:27 PM

      I didn’t say he wasn’t correct, but his delivery is hilarious and quite a bit offensive if you aren’t white.

      His delivery is raving mad and exactly like all of the Thursday afternoon mussar shmuessen that I endured for many years. It’s funny, sad, offensive, and like I said – priceless.

    • A. Nuran December 2, 2013, 10:18 PM

      Better they should be pole dancing than acting like him.

    • Jon December 2, 2013, 10:59 PM

      Uh yeah. Why not?

    • Shtark Attack December 2, 2013, 11:29 PM

      100% correct that Blacks and Latinos dance like animals?
      There is what you say vs how you say it. To say that Frum women should exercise and dance with dignity is a great message. That buchrim should speak with dignity? Also a good message. To say that being like goyim is undignified, well, that’s an unfortunate and shameful way to say it. Do rabbis have to belittle non-Jews to make a point? To call them animals? This his how we inspire dignified middos? You defend this?

      • Frum Fish December 3, 2013, 8:39 AM

        Yea and we wonder why non-Jews hate us. We talk like Nazis ourselves, just we are weak and unable to implement our hate.

      • Aliza Hausman December 3, 2013, 10:56 PM

        My friends are black Jews and I’m a proud Latina Jew and I’m going to dance how I want to. He may see it as dancing like animals but he’s basically being a racist and downgrading out culture. Not all African dance is sexual. It’s not even supposed to be. It’s in the eye of the beholder.

    • a December 3, 2013, 6:53 AM

      It’s better than seperate dansing….

  • AC December 3, 2013, 12:19 AM

    Thre is a big differance between pole dancing and stripping while using a pole as a prop.

  • Shragi December 3, 2013, 4:47 AM

    “The woman who runs it, she has all the right intentions”
    What are the right intentions?

  • Shelly December 3, 2013, 6:08 AM

    Who the hell does he think he is to claim that, had he spoken out against this two years ago, he would have “saved” many people and marriages? This whole speech is purely ego-driven, including the yelling. And I can’t imagine that there have been any marriages that have been ruined by Zumba. Do people really believe this kind of garbage?

  • jake December 3, 2013, 8:36 AM

    He’s a pathetic douchebag.

  • ksil December 3, 2013, 8:38 AM

    i am embaraased to wear my yamulka to work today. that i am part of this bizare, backward, controlling community….smh

    • Anonymous December 3, 2013, 8:40 AM

      agreed

    • Haha December 4, 2013, 5:28 AM

      As if you didn’t know before.

  • ksil December 3, 2013, 8:42 AM

    one more thing, that he tries to guilt the women, by using the europe/holocaust (your grandmothers, etc) is sickening.

    p.s. why does he not have a beard? his grandfathers all had beards and would rather go to the gas chamber than shave – but he shaves like GOY, like a shvartzah! like a latin!! what chutzpah!

  • anon December 3, 2013, 10:36 AM

    OMG,OMG,OMG Did he seriously just say that Zumba = Prostitution = all of your children going off the derech………
    Daas Torah at its best

  • Israel Oz December 3, 2013, 12:12 PM

    What ignorant jackass. He has no concept of history or music.

    • ShalomB December 5, 2013, 4:58 PM

      He’s never been to a “frum” wedding either. Half of the music is goyish anyway.

    • ShalomB December 5, 2013, 5:01 PM

      We should also ban mountain biking because people wear tight fitting workout clothing

  • q December 3, 2013, 12:21 PM

    hes a huge talmud chocum think twice before you bash him.

    • Telz Angel December 3, 2013, 12:59 PM

      And this is the problem, Q. No one should be bashed — regardless if they are a “huge talmud chocum” or if they are black, latino, or like to dance Zumba. The job of religion is not to teach us that we should let our leaders do whatever they want because they are magically holy, because they walk around with a black hat, dip their thumbs and shrei in their mussare schmoozes, but to teach us how we should behave. Religious leaders should inspire us to be better than we are. He failed to do this.

      You say “think before you…” which is exactly what he should have done. Had he, he would have found a way to inspire, not deride.

      You say “think before you bash him” — why? does his magical talmud chocum powers mean that lightning will strike? Is that what daas torah teaches you? to stop thinking critically? to turn off the brain that G-d gave you and follow people like this because they can learn a blatt gemara (and forget basic middos, like treating all people like a tzelem elokim?).

    • Arnie December 3, 2013, 1:40 PM

      It’s an oxymoron- nobody can actually be a “huge talmid chacham” and believe the racist, intolerant and arrogant things this dude espouses. He’s what is known as a “poser”- he gives the appearance of one thing but is actually something else entirely.

    • mor December 3, 2013, 7:30 PM

      How do you know?

      • Arnie December 5, 2013, 8:04 AM

        I know because anybody that calls another ethnic group “animals” with the disgust he exhibited, is a racist.

  • Yochanan December 3, 2013, 3:27 PM

    How does he know what Sara Imenu did behind closed doors? Or should I say, closed tents?

  • Mir Ben December 3, 2013, 3:58 PM

    I did not like the John Kerwin Show on Jewish Life TV 2 weeks ago, so I am blocking this one too. After a spiritually uplifting round of Cantors and the Claude Rains historical movie following, I felt degraded as a woman when Cindy Margolis came on Kerwin’s variety show like a Latin Hooker and all the men happily sexually subjected her to suggestive innuendo, which she smilingly welcomed. I expected so much more than this.

    I don’t want to see things like the sexual objectification of a Jewish woman . . . like I saw tonight. Frankly, I don’t get it. Is this somebody you want your daughters to look up to? It is like soft porn for the shy, in the guise of entertainment?! Then I give up wanting to be entertained.

    • Anon December 4, 2013, 5:26 AM

      As long as she is not Jewish it’s fine with you? You are funny.

  • jennthejewess December 3, 2013, 4:15 PM

    Hi Hesh,

    I know its been like 5 years since I last commented but here it is.
    Frum women have been giving pole dancing classes in their homes LONG before Zumba was created. Take it from me I know because Ive been there. I know women who have been doing pole dancing 10 years ago WAY before Zumba was around.
    I was pole dancing 10 years ago and Im STILL not a prostitute. I just wanted to give myself a little credit for that :).
    PS Does anyone know what the new dance studio is? Bc I can use a place in BK to work out when Im not in the city 🙂 I like Hip Hop & Belly Dancing & Pole Dancing.

  • Leah December 3, 2013, 8:22 PM

    Lol at Jen! I guess he’s never seen Sephardi dancing, we Sephardim are all going to hell because his “grandparents in Europe didn’t dance like that.” Yes, as originally commented, disturbing on so many levels.

    • Aliza Hausman December 3, 2013, 10:59 PM

      Meet you in hell then for Zumba? Sephardi dancing rocks.

  • Leah December 3, 2013, 8:37 PM

    After listening to the entire speech, I would agree with him that pole dancing is not in the spirit of Jewish culture…and I would feel weird advertising that in Brooklyn. He does act pretty crazed and certainly appears to have some other underlying issues, but this wouldn’t be an issue (there would not be a need for such an outlet as pole dancing) if the ultra-Orthodox community lived in more balance and harmony with their gender, sexuality and the world around them.

  • q December 3, 2013, 10:28 PM

    My point is that he is a Rabbi, and a knowledgeable one at that. If you disrespect him, whether or not you agree with him, you disrespect what he represents which is the Torah and G-d. So my point remains ” think twice”.

    • Ari Gold December 4, 2013, 5:19 AM

      So what.

    • Anonymous December 4, 2013, 8:16 AM

      Stay asleep then sheep boy

    • Arnie December 5, 2013, 8:08 AM

      Studying and having knowledge does not give anybody license to be a racist. In fact, he should be held to a higher standard because of his knowledge of Torah. Whatever the standard though, he fails miserably.

      BTW, Zumba is not pole dancing. It’s more like Latin dancing, no poles involved.

  • q December 3, 2013, 10:33 PM

    and as to what you say.. that no one should be bashed? the torah says dont learn from the ways of the goyim becuase you are better than them. Is that bashing them? No. its telling us to aspire for something higher. Something everyone here should take to heart when critiquing someone else’s conduct.. ” be criticial but not judgmental”. The act you are doing is wrong. As per the one doing the act.. who is to say that you would do any better? Dont ignore the impropriety of the act.. but dont you dare judge the one performing said act. This rule would manifest itelf quite nicely over here. The rabbi is saying the way the goyim act isnt on par with how you should be acting. But if you were in that position would you do better or different? No one individual or race is being bashed over here.

    • Shark attack December 3, 2013, 11:12 PM

      “the torah says dont learn from the ways of the goyim becuase you are better than them.”
      Where? You just making this up? The Torah says we should aspire for holiness, not that we *are* better. We have an obligation to be better. Don’t confuse the journey with the destination.

    • Anonymous December 4, 2013, 8:18 AM

      “the torah says dont learn from the ways of the goyim becuase you are better than them. Is that bashing them? No. its telling us to aspire for something higher.” You are a clown

    • Ezra wrote the Torah December 4, 2013, 8:21 AM

      I think these old men need to loosen up or else the religion will continue its path towards complete inapropriateness and social irrelavence. Not to say I can’t relate to the lives of bronze age sand dwellers….

    • Arnie December 5, 2013, 8:14 AM

      What the Torah says is the Jews should be “or lagoyim” a light onto the nations. If that can somehow be twisted into “we are better than the goyim,” that’s some pretty sick sh!t right there. Anyway, this idea that we can with one fell swoop categorize all people of an ethnic group this way, is exactly and precisely what we Jews have suffered from for centuries. And now you want to adopt this practice a Jewish one? Shameful.

  • Aliza Hausman December 3, 2013, 10:58 PM

    For the record, Zumba is nothing like pole dancing. There’s no pole for one. And for two, if there was a pole, I’d just end up in the hospital.

  • Aliza Hausman December 3, 2013, 11:01 PM

    It’s very simple not to be racist. Don’t like people from other races or ethnicities to jungle animals.

  • Chachmat HaPelech December 4, 2013, 11:15 AM

    Funny he should mention the Badim of the Aron at the end… I wonder if he’s familiar with this Sugya (Yoma 54a):
    ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ?”? ??????? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?”? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ???’ (??? ?????? ?) ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??? ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?????
    I’m going to guess not, because it mentions the fact that women have breasts AND that sometime holy things have to do with them, which we all know isn’t real Judaism, just some made up Modernish nonsense.

    • Chachmat HaPelech December 4, 2013, 11:22 AM

      Drat. The Hebrew didn’t come out up there… Here’s a version in “Plain text” that will hopefully show up:
      ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ?”? ??????? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?”? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ???’ (??? ?????? ?) ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??? ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?????
      And if not, the English from Soncino:
      R. Judah contrasted the following passages: And the ends of the staves were seen and it is written but they could not be seen without how is that possible? They could be observed, but not actually seen. Thus was it also taught: And the ends of the staves were seen One might have assumed that they did not protrude from their place. To teach us [the fact] Scripture says: And the staves were so long. One might assume that they tore the curtain and showed forth; to teach us [the fact] Scripture says: They could not be seen without. How then? They pressed forth and protruded as the two breasts of a woman, as it is said: My beloved is unto me as a bag of myrrh, that lieth betwixt my breasts.
      R. Kattina said: Whenever Israel came up to the Festival, the curtain would be removed for them and the Cherubim were shown to them, whose bodies were intertwisted with one another, and they would be thus addressed: Look! You are beloved before God as the love between man and woman.

  • Andrew December 4, 2013, 9:34 PM

    There’s a stipulation in RCA’s guidelines for giyyur procedures that if a potential convert is known to display a lack of regard for people of different faiths and classes or doesn’t display sensitivity towards other people, then their conversion may and should be terminated. Why is it ok for this piece of gutter trash to be called rabbi? It’s a huge chillul Hashem that sorry excuses for men like this walk around with the title, let alone the association with Am Yisroel. He doesn’t deserve the respect that goes along with it.

    • Arnie December 5, 2013, 8:19 AM

      Amen, Andrew. There is an insularity, frustration and arrogance that is permeating the world that this so called rabbi is part of. Sort of reminds me of old white southern people who when they saw their way of life dying, became even more bitter and hostile. Think Archie Bunker or David Duke. I’m no psychologist, but my lay observation is this dude is also dealing with some serious sexual issues of his own.

  • Anonymous December 5, 2013, 4:48 PM

    This guy would LOVE Irish dancing. The upper body never moves and the arms never leave the side. At the same time, it’s the most extreme athletic form of ethnic dancing there is. Perhaps a business opportunity here. 🙂

  • Shalom B December 5, 2013, 4:54 PM

    Theres no such thing as “jewish”music. Even the macacbeats dont sing jewish music and they havent been condemned as far as i know.

  • e December 7, 2013, 6:21 PM

    Telz angel, what year did you graduate telshe high school (wickliffe)?

  • Anonymous December 8, 2013, 12:26 PM

    Like the other commentator, lets call him Shlomo Bunker.

  • Motl December 8, 2013, 12:27 PM

    Like the other commentator, lets call him Shlomo Bunker.

  • Avi December 9, 2013, 1:27 PM

    Animals can’t dance.

  • Gilgamesh and Mamurabi's Code is the Torah December 9, 2013, 2:29 PM

    Ah hate causing fairy tales always good for a laugh.

  • SteveO December 18, 2013, 8:06 PM

    Yes we’ve got Zumba
    right here in Brooklyn
    with a capital Z and that rhymes with P
    and that stands for Pole

  • chaim January 16, 2014, 6:30 AM

    First of all he never called Latins or Blacks animals…..He said that the Blacks and Latins that sing the songs are like animals to which a certain degree I agree. The difference between a man and an animal is not just giving in to your carnal instincts but striving for something greater (such as knowledge or philosophy according to Aristotle) and Spirituality according to the Jews. And in general the rappers and hip-hop singers are not known for living the most moral lives, so saying they are like animals is not the far from the truth. And the same would go (and even more so) for a religious Jew who would also be a slave to his carnal desires.
    Second, I think everyone has to really think to themselves if they think that g-d really wants religious women to be dancing around a pole like a stripper (regardless if they are stripping) it is definitely associated with some impure ideas and may not be befitting for a religious Jew. And if you think it is ok then you probably don’t know what a god fearing Jew is. One before every action asks themselves if this will get me closer to god or further… and if a woman really thinks that pole dancing will get her closer to god then enjoy..
    Thirdly to explain his apparent craziness, imagine you put your life’s work into the development of a certain product (no matter if it was a good investment or not, or whether you were wanted or not) and you see someone putting a lifetime’s work in danger right before your eyes, you see your most important item slipping through yous hands (or at least that is how you view it) I think we would all act a little crazy. ( and the fact is that we don’t care about the Jewish community as much as him. NONE OF US.) So whether or not we want him caring for our children, his behavior is totally understandable.

    • Rabbies Ruin Lives January 16, 2014, 9:05 AM

      You seem to know a lot about what G-d wants. Are you a prophet? If so, you must have a great imagination or a bronze age audiance.

  • Warren February 4, 2014, 4:29 AM

    A slightly more restrained version of the Zumba speech, but it still slut-shames and includes uncalled-for references to race. http://www.ishtetl.com/index.php?/topic/2961-tznius-overload/?p=103351

  • Jeb June 9, 2014, 9:43 PM

    Love how the Rabbi knows all about pole dancing.

  • Rishona Campbell July 13, 2014, 5:40 PM

    His reaction too the criticism was even worse. He really doesn’t get it. http://youtu.be/c4xluohe1ws

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