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Modesty Hotline: Here come the honor killings

tznius modestyTelevision was easy to deal with, you didn’t need it for work, you could hardly justify it as an educational tool, and there were plenty of folks like me who had bumper stickers that said “kill your television”. The internet is different, it can’t be stopped, I have a feeling that in 100 years it will be treated by the frum community like the Haskallah currentl is, a danger that crept into the frum community under the guise of enlightenment. When something can’t be stopped, it appears that the frum like to focus on something that can be: immodest women. Thank God London now has a modesty hotline to help rid their community of the immodest scourge that has plagued them.

I’m not exactly sure when the Charedi obsession with immodesty started, but it’s only getting worse. It’s the new scapegoat, the death of gedolim, high tuition, shidduch crisis, treife meat scandals, everything can be blamed on a lack of modesty. Ever since the Internet Asifa realized that the internet cannot be stopped, it seems that the focus on scantily clad women and pritzus has become the only way to truly stop the internet from affecting us.

I know that that the signs in Mea Shearim warning tourists to dress properly have been up long before the internet ravished our community with hateful blogs and free porn, but I’m not sure that there were angry protests here in America, tznius asifa’s and modesty hotlines set up in London. It always felt like the madness surrounding so called “immodesty” was contained to those “crazy charedim in Israel”. Is it spreading, or is the internet just responsible for reporting every negative thing that the “crazy charedim” do? Is it merely my imagination that thinks honor killings are around the corner.

If your daughters aren’t dressing properly, calling a hotline, reporting them and having thugs show them what’s up, doesn’t seem to be conducive. I was always taught that modesty starts in the home, I was also taught that one doesn’t rebuke others for they have their own issues. I’m an almighty blogger who sits behind a screen so I can point fingers, but I would never set up a modesty hotline. It’s so big brother, it’s scary that these people can’t just let others be and if it’s such an issue they need to figure out a less hurtful and scary way to do it. We’ve all heard of what these “modesty patrols” and “vaad hatznius” people do. We’ve heard of the abuse, the threats, the violence, and the general lack of respect they have for individuals.

If you have such an issue with modesty, maybe it’s time to take responsibility and figure out why it’s an issue in your community. I just hope they don’t do this in Crown Heights, it would really make Kingston Ave so uninteresting if everyone suddenly started dressing tznius.

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  • Black Death May 5, 2013, 10:40 AM

    Frankly it really seems we Yids and our Arab cousins are coming full circle. We are no different from Muslims.

    • Ari Gold May 5, 2013, 10:48 AM

      Pretty much.

    • A. Nuran May 5, 2013, 11:18 AM

      Why do you think I call them the “Tallitban”?

  • Ari Gold May 5, 2013, 10:42 AM

    And if they glimpse a girl with a skirt too short or a bared elbow on Shabbos, then what? Have a Modesty Goy make the phone call?

    • ben May 5, 2013, 10:48 AM

      they will just throw rocks, bro

      • Shragi May 5, 2013, 1:22 PM

        They have to prepare the rocks before shabbos. That’s what the frum one’s do for the rocks thrown at cars.

    • A. Nuran May 5, 2013, 11:23 AM

      Stoning seems to be popular in Israeli Haredistan. There have been a few acid attacks on girls who talk to boys or who wear the wrong color clothes or ones that give the Sikirim a full raging three inch stiffy.

      The main advantage for innocent people in Williamsburg is that the NYPD will only ignore so much before public outcry overcomes the power of campaign donations and bloc voting. A few stonings, a few goyishe boyfriends roughed up and even the most politically motivated precinct Captain will lose patience.

      • Dan May 6, 2013, 10:52 PM

        No there haven’t been a few acid attacks. You are lying. The true and fine mark of someone who knows they are wrong is when they lie to back up their claims.

        Anyone reading this can google “chareidi acid attack israel” and will find precisely one allegation of such an attack from approximately June 5 2008 in beitar illit. One allegation is not a few incidents.

        I don’t mean to minimize how terrible even one acid attack is. However, neither should you want to exaggerate it. If you have any interest in truth.

        • A. Nuran May 7, 2013, 1:15 AM

          Dan, Dan, Dan. No matter how butthurt you are and how loudly you stamp your precious little feet or how much it hurts the truth is the truth. There have been haredi bleach attacks and acid attacks.

          • Dan May 7, 2013, 2:03 PM

            Of course. So I assume you’ll just link to a news story discussing any one other than the one I referenced.

            Anyway, I’m not chareidi; I’m a denomination I made up called “non-prophetic islam”; I believe in islam except I don’t believe mohammed was a prophet so I don’t believe in any of his teachings either. Please don’t attribute the doings of other Moslems to me; I heartily condemn the wrongdoers.

  • Anonymous May 5, 2013, 10:57 AM

    …and that’s why OTD is growing

  • Anonymous May 5, 2013, 12:40 PM

    This has been going on forever in America, you can get thrown out of yeshiva if you are spied eating treif even off campus (who knows why you are off campus anyway, you should be learning all hours of day and night).

    • Alter Cocker May 6, 2013, 9:15 AM

      lol. You act like it’s a chiddush that a yeshiva would throw someone out for eating treif. You’ll get tossed for a lot less.

      • Anonymous May 6, 2013, 9:25 AM

        Like thinking.

  • Shragi May 5, 2013, 1:21 PM

    The case of the bas sorer u’moreh.

  • Israelit May 5, 2013, 8:34 PM

    Haven’t you heard of the Taliban/ burka ladies in Ramat Beit Shemesh and in Canada? classic case of Judaislam with tznius

  • SJ May 6, 2013, 4:40 AM

    Don’t just whine about it, vote with your feet while you still have the right to.

    • Philo May 6, 2013, 6:58 AM

      I tried, but my toes wouldn’t reach the levers.

      • Should be working May 6, 2013, 8:40 AM

        LOL! How do you come up with these rejoinders?

  • Jews on Blacks . com May 6, 2013, 8:17 AM

    Question, is there any way to realistically change the direction Heredim and all of Orthodox in general is moving, which is ever more to right? Is it possible to even change it at this point or would that be “too Modern?” I really feel like this relgion is on a crashcourse for disaster…

  • Izzy May 6, 2013, 11:08 AM

    I don’t get it…if a Charedi woman has an exceptionally beautiful face and body-form, at some point, wouldn’t that be immodest even if she was properly dressed because some righteous men would get excited anyways? At times, it’s often what you don’t see and imagine that makes the heart go “thump thump.” In this case, perhaps they are simply a stones throw from requiring women to wear Burqas to lessen this temptation.

    See this excerpt from an Afghani woman in a Burqa seeing a woman in a face-revealing Chador:

    “Outraged by the recent loosening of dress codes in her country, burqa wearer Uliya Salah condemned fellow Afghani Raheela Asaad Monday for appearing in public wearing an upper-face-revealing chador. The burqa-wearing Salah, who is outraged by Asaad’s (far right) immodest dress.” Just look how she dresses, the bridge of her nose visible for all the world to see,” said Salah, watching Asaad walk past her in downtown Ghazni. “Has she no shame?” Not wanting to risk the chance that a stranger might be forced to hear a woman’s voice, Salah whispered her indignant remarks through the small mesh square in her garment. Salah has been in a near-constant state of outrage since Nov. 13, when the Taliban was ousted from her village. On that day, emboldened by the Northern Alliance victory, hundreds of women threw off their conservative burqas in favor of skimpy, low-cut chadors that exposed portions of their faces.”

    • Anonymous May 6, 2013, 11:49 AM


  • Anonymous May 6, 2013, 2:44 PM

    Latest bumper sticker here in Flatbush reads Mother with short skirts shorten child’s life. 4 inches below knee is Torah law!

    • Anonymous May 6, 2013, 2:48 PM

      wtf no way show a pic

      • Ari Gold May 6, 2013, 3:24 PM

        Yeah, need a pic.

        • Anonymous May 7, 2013, 4:10 AM

          I saw the bumper sticker on ave J outside kosher delight. The owner of this car was inside kosher delight and a few people came over to him to ask him where he got the sticker. It was on a purple funky looking scion with license plates Hkolhvl. A winner born everyday. I’m sure will see this sticker around as this tznios issue seems to be heating up.

          • Lilly May 9, 2013, 2:27 AM

            I was searching the Internet about this car I saw today on 13 ave and 47 street. It is loaded with bumper stickers that read stuff that made me puke. One sticker that made me furious was Mothers with short skirts shorten child’s life , 4 inches below knee is Torah law. An argument broke out between some chassidim and a secular guy about the cars stickers. I just stood there in tears as I have a two year old and wear pants and not such long skirts in the summer. How can anyone drive around with such a message. Which rabbis support it. Scared and confuse Jewish mom.

            • Jewish cage May 9, 2013, 5:14 AM

              We are becoming Muslim didn’t you hear?

  • Anonymous May 13, 2013, 6:05 AM

    Best thing to do…Print up business cards with pictures of Escort service workers and the number of the modesty hotline…then leave these cards in public places.

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