Posted by Heshy Fried on Dec 22, 2012 in | 34 comments
Thank you Asher for sending this over.
That’s hilarious! But also pretty sad. The fact that women in the 21st century in a developed country can only go to the beach when no men are present and they are wearing turbans in distressing, to say the least.
nooo Michael you have it all wrong….the fact that they have the strength of character to go to a beach wearing turbans and modest swimsuits because of their religious convictions is a giant leap for mankind, as opposed to a step backwards. You want something distressing? go to a regular beach populated by air-headed bikini-clad beauties who have been brainwashed by the Western culture overemphasis of physical appearance.
The bikini clad beachgoers do not distress me. Sometimes they cause a little extra tension in the trousers, but all that seems quite natural to me. Hashem designed us to react this way and be interested in exploring the goodies that lie underneath the burkas. These beached women seem remarkably unnatural and uncomfortable.
> the fact that they have the strength of character to go to a beach wearing turbans and modest swimsuits because of their religious convictions
Nonsense. Going to the beach dressed the way they are had nothing to do with strength of character, and only a sort of to do with religious convictions. Wearing a bathing suit in a public place is something that would simply never seriously occur to most women in Chareidi communities. Not as something they might actually do. They’re not resisting the pressure of mainstream Western culture – with which they have almost nothing in common – but are instead just following the social norms of their community.
> go to a regular beach populated by air-headed bikini-clad beauties
Supposing that every woman who wears a bikini is an air-head is just as bad as supposing that the women in the picture are repressed prudes.
not trying to make statements/generalize about individual women, but making a general observations about the societal values behind the bikini-wearing crowd vs. the cover-up crowd. you’re right, the air-headedness has nothing to do with it…it was just sort of thrown in. But in general I hold in higher esteem the values that lead chasidic women to wear coverups over the values that lead women to don bikinis.
For most religious girls, since today it’s almost impossible to live in a completely insular environment, it is a struggle to make the decision to dress modestly. So religious convictions do come into play. Even for chasidic women, I believe, based on my experience as a religious girl (who looks awesome in a bikini btw) and many personal accounts from other girls on different levels on the spectrum of religiosity.
These women are told what they must do as far as modesty is concerned. They do it. The same way girls in secular society are told to wear bikinis. This is fine, the way their culture is, no place for me to judge that which I don’t know. However, chances are these women do live in a completely insular environment.
Chances are if you know how good you look in a bikini you don’t REALLY know how they come to dress the way the do at an all women’s beach.
G*3, you don’t understand. These women ARE repressed prudes. I am not stereotyping by saying that. It seems pretty logical that if you refuse to go to a beach where you might see people of the opposite gender with their shirts off (most of them fat anyways), and only go fully clothed wearing turbans, you are a repressed prude. You are also probably uneducated, sexually repressed, and/or religiously manipulated (But those are flat out stereotypes- see the difference?)
I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think you’re right. What is normal, what represents repression, what crosses the line – these are all culturally determined. For all I know, the fact that these women are at the beach at all, a place where they’ll others dressed in a way that their culture deems appalling, indicates that they are far less repressed than their peers.
Sure, they’re repressed prudes by the standards of mainstream American culture, but that’s not a fair standard by which to judge them.
*see* others dressed…
The fact that women in the 21st century in a developed country can only go to the beach when no men are present and they are wearing turbans in distressing, to say the least.
Why do you care what other people do? If you consider yourself tolerant then be consistent about it?
Amein. I happen to like my shvimkleid. Nobody forced me to wear, and nobody is going to force me to go back to “normal” (i.e. letting my goods hang out all over the place).
Regardless, they still look hot!
Lol. My thoughts exactly. Shalo asini isha
Those are some hot shvimkleids.
Starting from left: mirror image from wet sand in front of ladies; lady #1 looks fine. Lady #2, mirror image is pushed too much to the right, and last lady to the right only has partial mirror image. There should be no break between the last 3 ladies, and also between 1 and 2. And she’s not holding a camera in her hand.
if its women only, why dont they put on their one piece…?
Oh Lord, just the kind of temptation I needed before a fast day.
I suppose this pic has already made it’s rounds in the toilets of Williamsburg yeshivas
Who is anyone to decide what’s good for the goose is also good for the gander? What’s most distressing is one who says it is distressing that a woman “has to” go to the beach dressed that way. No one “has to” anything, we are all given free choice, with a book of rules. DOn’t like the rules? That’s between you and your Creator, but how can you be so pompous to assume that anyone lives a life of deprivation? Why is your way better than theirs? You decide? Your society decides? That’s what causes wars, not religion, but intolerance. Shame shame.
> No one “has to” anything, we are all given free choice, with a book of rules.
They don’t have to because of the book of rules (by which I assume you mean halacha), but because they would be thrown out of their community for going to the beach in a typical bathing suit. Sure, they have free choice, and can choose to remove themselves from their community, but it’s really not worth cutting ties with friends and family, to say nothing of possibly losing their kids, in order to wear a bathing suit.
Now, it’s likely that the women in the picture don’t feel compelled to dress the way they do, and don’t feel oppressed, and are very happy with their lives. But don’t pretend that they could just as easily have worn a bikini had they so chosen.
What’s distressing is not that they might choose to go to the beach dressed that way out of religious conviction, but that the community they live in doesn’t realistically give them any choice.
Rest assured I get made fun of for this all the time, but I own a shvimkleid and I happen to love it. Before I was religious, when I was expected to wear the “normal” swimsuits, I ALWAYS felt self-conscious even when in perfect shape. At least now I can swim without worrying about whether I’m going to lose a piece of my suit or if some creepy is eyeing me.
What I particularly hate is when people talk about how I put myself in a situation where I “have to” wear one. The only thing I “have to” do is stop being compared against women that want to show up half-naked. They’re perfectly entitled to it, but I, for one, am done with it.
If? Who deluded women into thinking that they *aren’t* being eyed constantly, when wearing a “normal” swimsuit, by all nearby creepy and less-creepy hetero men age 11 and up? At least religious people know that women’s swimsuits do not really count as clothing. It’s a comic strip and Hollywood cliché, the foolish soon-to-be-ex-wife/girlfriend berating or rolling-pin clubbing her man for noticing a tightly/skimpily-dressed babe wiggling past.
Who deluded them into thinking that? We (men) did. And I’d say we got ourselves a good gig going; please don’t mess it up.
I started wearing a ‘shvimkleid’ long before I was religious or even knew what they were called. Since I am a very fair-skinned, red-head, I started covering up because of the sun. The added bonus is that you realize how liberating it actually is to be out of the game to wear the lastest skimpy thing. You can actually enjoy the beach!
Where do u put the like?
So women – still in admiration for the rapists and abusers you cover your heads for? Wigs? Religious hogwash
Why does everyone think that we cover our heads because of the men? We believe that G-d commanded it and He is not of any gender.
And you REALLY believe that? G-d sure seems to be more male the than female attribute wise when you really look at the Torah.
Love the frum families I see on the beach with the husband wearing dark shades-he’ll say it’s to protect him from the pritzut but I bet it just makes it easier to check out the chicks!
What I don’t get is that these women are likely on an all-female beach in Israel. With no men around, they can dress however they like. Why then are they all wearing shvimkleids and turbans? I’ll tell you…because if Rivkie shows up in her one-piece and sees Chaya coming out of the dressing room in her shvimkleid, Rivkie will feel like a pritzus next to her. Chaya will look more frum in comparison and so will all the other ladies that keep covered in their shvimkleids despite the fact that there are no men around. It’s pretty sad that women can never have a time to truly “let their hair down” even in a female only environment. I really think it’s about out-frumming the other person and not halacha – at least in the case of women-only beaches or gyms…
shvimkleid u may have identified one reason that some women in that demographic qwear what they do but all said and done jews have an obligation to their creator to do what that creator says
The one in white looks like a whore
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