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Was the Asifa a greater Chillul Hashem than Feldman?

Feldman was evil because she made the world think we were all dysfunctional and mad, those same people who hated on Feldman made a far worse chillul hashem than Feldman could ever dream of…unless of course you’re one of those who are convinced that whatever God, ahem, the Gedolim say is binding and truth.

Find out more about the asifa on 4torah.com

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  • Alter Cocker May 22, 2012, 11:44 AM

    Suffice it to say they were both pretty bad.

    It disgusts me to have these lunatics gather together and claim to be representing all of klal yisrael, while they waste millions of dollars.

  • jo May 22, 2012, 12:09 PM

    heshy you should know i learn every week with a rav in chabad and he said that originally they weren’t invited because the organizers realized that they pasken by their own poseks. but later for achdut yisroel, they were actually invited. so you are incorrect on that score. secondly it was a big kiddush hashem because at least it shows the world that we care enough to be worried and try and do something about it. now what comes from this we will see.

    • Heshy Fried May 22, 2012, 12:16 PM

      So chabad was invited for achdus, do you realize how silly that sounds? All Jews should have been invited, that’s like saying we should only be nice to goyim is because it’s a kiddush hashem, not because it’s the right way to treat people.

      I have yet to see any kiddush hashem in 40,000 people gathering at a rally about how impure and terrible one of the greatest gifts to mankind is. Can you explain how a bunch of phony gedolim bashing something that has helped millions of people in countless ways could possibly be a kiddush Hashem. The only kiddush hashem from any Rabbi regarding the asifa has been from Manis Freedman who told it like it should have been told.

      All it did, was strengthen most people’s opinion that true gedolim have been dead for sometime. If there was one positive speech it may have been different, but all it was was a conference of negativity and we know that to be a big chillul hashem.

      • Anonymous May 22, 2012, 1:20 PM

        What kind of achdus? I read that a Sephardic rabbi from Israel was disinvited, because he speaks in Hebrew, and using Hebrew to discuss the internet is sacreligious. Klal Yisrael=Yiddish speakers, and not even all of them. Why would anyone pay attention to this meshuga?. Oh, no one does.

    • Alter Cocker May 22, 2012, 7:04 PM

      kiddush hashem? do you know how ridiculous this makes Jews look? I hate when the fringe lunatics get themselves on the front page

  • Philo May 22, 2012, 12:24 PM

    “a bunch of phony gedolim”

    That implies that there’s any such thing as a non-Phony gadol. The whole concept of “gedolim” is ridiculous.

    • A. Nuran May 22, 2012, 9:53 PM

      Hey, if the Catholics can have a Pope we can have dozens!

    • AztecQueen2000 May 23, 2012, 7:09 AM

      There is only one true Gadol. And as far as I’m concerned, HE has never taken on a human form.

  • Anon May 23, 2012, 5:36 AM

    Ill have you know that not all observant people were that impressed with some of the talk at the Asifa (and I mean really observant).

    For anyone to think that every observant Jew is in agreement with whatever all or some Rabbis say, it aint happening. Most speak up wherever, whenever they feel like it, and arent fearful at all to do so.

    No blanket statements about Observant people, please. They and their opinions are as different as the colors of the rainbow.

  • thinking outloud May 23, 2012, 5:46 AM

    The part at the end where you pretend that you didn’t know how to use a computer, parodying the people who were talking about (and assuring) the internet at the asifa who themselves had probably never even used the internet …priceless!

  • Mordechai May 23, 2012, 7:39 AM

    From what I’ve heard from multiple people is that the Asifa was the most pointless thing done by Charedim and Chassidim. I’ve heard that from one Sephardic Charedi rav, and a Satmar rav. They don’t think it’s a Chillul HaShem, but that it was just pointless.

  • moishela May 5, 2014, 4:54 AM


    Discussion with Moishela (with his family)

    A Handicapped child

    24 Adar 2 5774 (March 25, ’14)

    “Achdus Is To Be One With Hashem”

    I want to tell you something very important. I want to tell you that the only way that we are going to survive this terrible time before Moshiach brings us to the Geula Sheleimah is by having Achdus, and Achdus is to be one with Hashem. Those so-called Jews that do not want to be one with Hashem cannot have Achdus with Jews that have chosen to have Achdus with Hashem, His truth, and His Torah. The Olam Habah of Moshiach that Hashem has promised us will not be able to accommodate the Apikores the atheist the Erev Rav the Jew-hating gentile, the Amalak, the Helininst etc. Therefore I beg all true Jews to band together and separate ourselves from the evil ones. We must stop mixing with them because their distorted Judiasim could rub off on us and our very spiritual and physical existence can be endangered. We can be polite to them, but they are not part of the truth. We can’t mingle with them because it makes us become like them. It rubs off and therefore this is not what Achdus is.

    Achdus is to be one with Hashem. That means Am Yisroel must be one with Hashem. On Har Sinai when Hashem lifted the mountain over our heads and we said Na’aseh Venishma, that was Achdus. Only that Achdus will save us. Therefore I donít know how many Yidden will be left to greet Moshiach. However those that will be left will be those that stood at Har Sinai, and said Na’aseh Venishma, and that is the true Achdus, and we will do the same thing. We won’t be standing at Har Sinai, but we will be standing together and we will say again Na’aseh Venishma. We will say Shema Yisroel and we will be one, one nation together with the one and only G-d, the Hakol Yachol, the Ribbono Shel Olam and then we will be ready to become true and eternal Bnei Chorin.

    I am very worried about Am Yisroel because I know that as of right now we donít really have this kind of Achdus, Hashem Yishmor. Some of us have Achdus with the Egel HaZahav, and a bit with Hashem, and some have Achdus only with themselves and their desires, even though they are considered Chareidi Jews and dress like Chareidi Jews. Boruch Hashem, there are still some Jews that are really looking for truth and are trying to have this kind of Achdus. But the Frum society all over the world has broken up into groups. It’s not one Am anymore. It’s this one with this Rebbe and that one with the other Rebbe or with this Rav or with that Rav. Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Chassidish, Litvish, Taimani, etc. everyone with their own little groups and unfortunately those little groups have become the whole world for each one of their members, and therefore it’s hard to have Am Yisroel Echad, and very many times in these Chareidi groups, their connection with the group becomes almost an Avodah Zorah, Shelo Naida. And therefore, there will come a time where all the Sheker will disappear and those who are seeking truth will come together Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Chassidish, Litvish, Taimani, etc. We will come together as one. Until that happens we can’t have the Geula Sheleimah, but it will happen soon, and it will happen suddenly, but I donít know how many will be part of that group that will enter into the Geula Sheleimah alive.

    I cannot tell you how many nights I don’t sleep over this just thinking how many Jews are going to fall by the way because they really donít have the souls of Yidden, but Erev Rav. It’s so hard to know who they are, especially if they are considered Frum Yidden. Still this is the fact and this is the way it is going to be. I have to remind you that it doesnít mean that any Jew that Chas Vesholom, is Niftar before the Geula Sheleimah, is an Erev Rav. No we’ll know at the end who the Erev Rav are and their death will be much different than a regular one.

    But I cry at night many tears because I feel that there will be a comparatively few Jews that will actually greet Moshiach Tzidkainu. I hope and pray that I am totally wrong about this.

    I want to say that I am so glad to have spoken today because I really was suffering last night. Tonight it should be easier.

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