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Off the derech people are miserable

I don’t know anyone who’s happy and off the derech. If they were so happy, why would they keep having to tell us religious Jews how silly we are, couldn’t they just be happy with their decision and leave us alone. Yet day in and day out they visit this site and others and feel the need to argue relentlessly for the virtues of secularism. They tend to have no values and morals and feel the need to drag us down to their level. You left, that’s great, leave us alone. That’s all I really want to say them when they have these dumb arguments about how terrible religion is.

It seems that they never focus on the good, like the fact that Chassidim and other ultra orthodox groups do lots of charity for everyone in their own communities. In fact Chassidim are responsible for so many charity groups that non-religious people would never do because they aren’t worried about charity because they have no morals. Tomche shabbos doesn’t exist in communities that don’t keep shabbos. Sheitle gemachs are not needed in places where married women choose to flaunt their uncovered hair that is supposed to be for their husbands alone. The off the derech community only offers charity in terms of free education and dating advice as long as you distance yourself from those terrible religious Jews. Have they forgotten about shidduch vision? I bet you they don’t offer free skype dating supervised by baal habbatishe guys standing next to the cases of silver licht.

They have to miserable, otherwise they wouldn’t have left such a beautiful and logical religion right? Something must have went wrong in their lives, in many ways they are like converts and baalei teshuva, only they are less moral and less logical and succumbed to their yetzer harah’s. They could learn a few things from BT’s and converts. Maybe they should attend an Aish Discovery seminar before leaving the derech, they could see the beauty and intricacies of the world that only a master creator could have thought of. They could learn that science and religion coexist only when it works to the Kiruv Artists advantage, but at least it’s not fully shunned like in their own communities.

It’s high time that those considering leaving the path could switch communities and leave their path for another mehalich. Did you know that some communities are so open that they still consider you frum is you touch a member of the opposite sex, own a television, hire someone to push your kid to shul and wear clothing doesn’t jive with 19th century Poland? I know it seems far fetched,  but I think that if you can’t see the beauty and ruchniyus of the Chassidish community you could try something a bit more modernishe and work your way back. There’s no point in just wasting everything for a little premarital sex, bacon and beach time on shabbos. Besides, in some communities you can find veal bacon, sit at the beach on shabbos and have premarital sex and still be considered frum. It’s a good thing that the three things that determine your frum status (shabbos, kashrus and niddah) all have amazing loopholes.

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  • G*3 May 15, 2012, 12:22 PM

    Too realistic. I’ve had this conversation with well-meaning people when I was a teenager. All except the dig at Kiruv.

  • hmmmm May 15, 2012, 12:25 PM

    I know cool happy OTD people in real life. But I find the internet ones mostly depressing. Internet selection bias?

  • Funny And Jewish May 15, 2012, 12:32 PM

    I know several Jews who are both unhappy and on the derech. They are justified in telling their secular and religious Jews how silly both are without playing favorites. P.S. Nice turn of the phrase “Kiruv Artists”.

  • Rebecca May 15, 2012, 12:41 PM

    Heshy, dear, it’s possible to leave the orthodox lifestyle and still believe in and enjoy a close relationship with God and a fulfilling life. No one is truly happy without frequent contact with the One who loves us most. BTW, failedmessiah is beating me down bad with all the pedophilia…..truly ugh at this point. Just shoot the bastards.

    • Heshy Fried May 15, 2012, 8:29 PM

      There is no possible to way to have fulfilling life without being a frum Jew, none whatsoever, once you leave God is out of your life and you will forever be forsaken.

  • kissmeimshomer May 15, 2012, 1:04 PM

    This is Heshy’s best piece of satire he’s written in a while. Above commenters, how did you miss the sarcasm?

  • Yossi May 15, 2012, 1:08 PM

    This “satire” is childish. It’s not even on a high-school level. If this is the best you can do, then perhaps you ought to consider closing up shop.

    • Anonymous May 15, 2012, 1:27 PM

      sounds like somebody is OTD

  • OfftheDwannaB May 15, 2012, 1:31 PM

    I’m coming around to the new style Heshy. It’s good to have this frum-thought aired so everyone can see each others cards.

  • AriSparkles May 15, 2012, 1:38 PM

    Maybe a little too subtle, Hesh. You can’t see dripping sarcasm on the internet!

  • eyekanspel May 15, 2012, 1:49 PM

    I didn’t realize this was satire until the second paragraph. Well played Hesh.

  • Confused May 15, 2012, 1:55 PM

    r u getting all frum again bc youre getting married?

  • Marcos May 15, 2012, 2:10 PM

    I am happy with my OTD lifestyle. I get to keep Judaism when I want to and enjoy the world around me. I could never attend shul the way I did with you as kids growing up, but that was also a cool experience I’ll always enjoy.

  • Alter Cocker May 15, 2012, 3:36 PM

    knowing heshy, I had to assume from the beginning it was one of his fake rants. He generally doesn’t post stuff like this if he’s being serious.

  • Micah T May 15, 2012, 3:56 PM

    I realize that Heshy’s post is satire, but one thing is certainly true: atheists/secularists spend a lot of time attacking religion. If they were truly happy without faith, would they feel the need to do this?

    In the entertainment world (for those of you who own television sets) the worst example is Bill Maher. He is constantly making fun of religion. He really does protest too much. I always wonder what exactly he is compensating for. What are his real or imagined deficiencies? Maybe being a pathetic self-hating Jew?

    • Prometheus May 15, 2012, 5:52 PM

      Micah, cheers. Let me offer a respectful difference of view.

      Religion is funny, or at least potentially funny; ergo this blog from a frum Jewish blogger. Maher is a bit rude, but perhaps it’s the over-weaning politeness that should surprise you more from everyone else.

      Most atheists don’t talk much about religion; a few do, no doubt, but most atheists (perhaps 10-15% of US) don’t find it very interesting one way or the other. Indeed, due to social pressures, most don’t come out, so to speak. As for Maher, he’s a comedian who jokes about something, as opposed to Jerry Seinfeld who for decades has been joking about nothing.

      • Micah T May 15, 2012, 6:35 PM

        Prometheus, thanks for responding to my post. I understand, and respect, your POV. I find, however, that Maher’s humor is gratuitously cruel, in that it mocks something that is existentially essential for millions of people. I prefer the Seinfelds, who find humor in the absurdities of everyday life; the funny little details that we can all relate to. Mr Maher should remember that his metier is comedy, not left wing propaganda.

      • Heshy Fried May 15, 2012, 8:34 PM

        Religion is totally whack, sure I rock it frum style, but don’t think for a minute that I don’t cringe every time I or anyone else tries to explain why we’re putting leather straps on in the morning or not drinking maple bacon lattes.

        • Dan May 15, 2012, 8:51 PM

          Lex Luthor: What do you think about the maple bacon lattes? (I think we discussed it once). Seems to me that bacon must not always be pogem a beverage.

          • Lex Luthor May 15, 2012, 9:12 PM

            It’s strange. I still have no problem asserting that most people are not interested in their coffee being meat-flavored. So I would first wonder how many people actually enjoy this concoction, but even if it were true that it tastes not-bad to the average person, I would gather that it is only that way because of the other ingredients which complement the bacon flavor. This would place regular coffee mixed with meat in the category of “mechusar melach” at the very least, which l’halacha is considered nosen ta’am lifgam (see 103:3 and Shach ad loc). The main question this point is relevant to is not about a drink which is meant to have a meat flavor, but rather about a drink which might have the flavor there for some other reason – such as ta’am transferred from a utensil, or from something intended only as a stabilizer etc. (assuming such a thing could even be considered meat, which I do not). In such cases there is no question in my mind that your average person is not looking for that delicious meat flavor in his coffee, inasmuch as he doesn’t squeeze in some mustard and barbecue sauce together with the sugar. So in normal cases, I’d still say meat is pogem.

        • Maple Bacon Lattes May 16, 2012, 8:01 AM

          >.<

          Seriously then why bother being religious? I don't understand the logic in this.

        • Micah T May 17, 2012, 3:49 PM

          If by “whack” you mean irrational, I totally agree with you. True religion begins where intellect ends. Religion asks questions that don’t have rational answers. Even G-d is a question, not an answer.

      • Critic May 15, 2012, 9:37 PM

        As a wise man once said.someone who stands for nothing will fall for anything.

      • Anonymous May 16, 2012, 7:59 AM

        Did you know 80% of statistics are made up?

    • A. Nuran May 15, 2012, 7:58 PM

      Not half as much time as god-botherers spend damning anyone who isn’t just like them.

      What’s amazing is the level of venom and hatred leveled by the pious towards anyone who won’t drink the Kool-Aid. Atheists are the most hated and mistrusted group in America by several well-accepted independent polls. A majority think they shouldn’t be allowed to hold public office or adopt children. Even in the South gays and Blacks have higher positives.f

      • Dan May 15, 2012, 8:44 PM

        Nuran:

        Do you think you look down on religious people less than they look down on you? Tell us.

        • Heshy Fried May 15, 2012, 8:58 PM

          The funny thing is, that in person you’d never know it – he also has a penchant for chabad of all things.

        • A. Nuran May 15, 2012, 10:56 PM

          Actually, I am religious. But I have a severe allergy to tyranny, hypocrisy, humbug and the destruction of the human mind. It’s damned near universal in religion. Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, take your pick. The pathology is the same.

          And I love the way you make it personal. You (mistakenly) believe I’m an atheist, so all atheists can be dismissed out of your personal contempt for me. Back you go, safe in your ironclad thought bubble, inconvenient questions addressed, the harsh light of inquiry extinguished because you’ve found a Devil and exorcised him.

          The venom of the majority of the religious towards anyone who doesn’t share the condition is easily demonstrable. Atheists were the most hated of all groups. Self-identified atheists gave answers like this much less about the religious than the other way around.

          I would never say “She’s a Hindu or he’s a Jew, so they shouldn’t have the same civil rights as me.” Neither would the vast majority of atheists. That stands in stark contrast to the religious who believe the same thing about non-believers.

          There is no religion which can meet the same standard it applies to everyone else. None. It all turns into special pleading in a step or two. Whatever foundations the scientist’s scalpel and the archaeologist’s hammer don’t demolish the historian sweeps away. That applies to my religious beliefs as well as yours. The difference is you believe your own are specially privileged.

          • K. Noi May 16, 2012, 3:47 PM

            As usual, Nuran makes sweeping denouncations of religion and their followers while condemning denouncations of atheism. Aside from the paragraphs full of vitriol, Nuran manages to put one semi-salient point. To that I respond, atheists do not have a monopoly on science. Nuran, don’t distort reality to make that otherwise.

        • A. Nuran May 15, 2012, 11:01 PM

          The other part here is the dishonesty of emmua. If you have faith you’ve declared that no matter what the evidence your mind will not change. The conclusions are fixed. There is no way to alter them, and no real discussion or meeting of minds is possible. Facts must be ignored and logic must be rejected if it threatens the tiniest corner of what you have been told to believe.

          I’m afraid I have to reluctantly quote Oliver Cromwell “I beseech you in the bowels of Christ. Consider it possible that you are mistaken.”

  • Anonymous May 15, 2012, 5:36 PM

    Satire? more like classical straw man

  • Dan May 15, 2012, 6:09 PM

    Perfect. Enough in there for the frummies to think it is real, and for the OTD to think it is satire.

    As on poster said, there may be internet selection bias. The OTD posters here are clearly conflicted, or they wouldn’t be here. At the same time, I do know dudes who are OTD who don’t visit sites like this, and are just off living their life.

    • Heshy Fried May 15, 2012, 8:43 PM

      Most of the OTD folks I’ve met in the Bay are far enough OTD where they have never even heard the term OTD before. They’ve left their lives and are living without any anger or resentment.

      • Anonymous May 15, 2012, 10:22 PM

        no anger? whats there secret pot?

  • Sam May 15, 2012, 11:54 PM

    The best in off-the – white-shirt-guys. When I was 18, I was in a main stream yeshiva with a white shirt and tzitzis out. About once or twice a week, I would go to the gas station pick up a 3 pack of condoms, and head over to a cheap hotel. A bais yaakov girl would meet me there and we would reck havoc the entire nite. The next morning, I was at yeshiva at 7am so the Rosh would not know I left. Those were the best years of my life. Anyone else out there had secret encounters?!

    • Anonymous May 16, 2012, 8:07 AM

      Cheap Hotel with a girl who probably had only a slightly higher level of low self esteem than the guy who needs to relive his “glory years” of thinking his life was a bad porno…

      Nope totally can’t say I have ever had one of those. Please enlighten me to more!

      /thiscommentwasjustaskingforjudgement

    • abandoning eden May 16, 2012, 8:19 AM

      I did the same thing in my senior year of high school at bat torah, would drive over and pick up my ex boyfriend (he went to rudinsky’s and would cut his nighty shiur and meet me a few blocks from teh school) and we would go rent a cheap motel, or just go to a public park.

      Not sure what that has to do with the original post though. 🙂 Although we are both fully OTD nowadays from what I hear about him. 🙂

      • Sam May 16, 2012, 2:55 PM

        Rudinskys? I know some guys frm there… Wats his initials?

        • vey May 16, 2012, 3:49 PM

          lamed hey, spell it backwards – you’re on your way.

  • bratschegirl May 16, 2012, 12:00 AM

    This would be great as a video script a la Colbert Report. I think it misses purely as a piece of writing, because there’s a layer of meaning that just doesn’t come through without facial expression and/or tone of voice.

  • shwarma in midrown May 16, 2012, 3:08 AM

    OTD folks are unhappy because they have an extra weekend day where they have to see “The Avengers” in packed movie houses as opposed to late night weekday showings where you wont be seen.

  • next year in Miami May 16, 2012, 3:14 AM

    fiddle faddle!! OTD do have a meaningful relationship with hashem!! I think they relate to Hashem much more then Frummies. After all…… Hashem is OTD too. When was the last time anyone saw him in Temple.

  • my head hurts May 16, 2012, 3:17 AM

    OTD folks are very unhappy as it’s a total bitch having to think for yourself

  • s(b.) May 16, 2012, 4:09 AM

    Well done!

  • Tag May 16, 2012, 5:08 AM

    Heshy,

    Who is us “frum” people? Most people look at you and think secular… or atleast half out to secular. I honestly can imagine you 15 years from now in the same path as someone off the derech. You say Chassids have more charity than secular people. Have you ever looked at the charitable data of the world? Chances are you haven’t. While Chassidich people may very well be known for charity, their money is often from dirty money, as in the cheat people, they don’t pay taxes, they lie about their marriage status to the government, they don’t pay on time. Now if someone decides to give money the honest way, how great that is to our community. Something tells me you have no clue how a hassids who davens, and learns for hours, manages to make millions on a high school education. You’re beyond naive.

    What is the point for looking for loopholes. This is what is the theme for Chassidim. Finding a loophole to break a law, to break a mitzvoh, and then to turn around and judge those who live pretty honest life, but choose not to make a cult like living. It is possible to live by the torah, and now wear Rabbit fur on your head, talking with an accent you really don’t have, and hide a tv behind your furniture. No point in working towards Chassidim. How about just working towards own spiritual path. Stop drinking the kool aid. For every unhappy person you find off the derech, who by the way might have been kicked out for being different, might have been touched by some CHASSID Rabbi, I can find you a off the derech person touching the hearts of a few, and spreading positivity. — Thanks since you caught the attention

  • AztecQueen2000 May 16, 2012, 6:13 AM

    Actually, I think the unhappiest people are those who realize that the community is hogwash, but want to love the religion. The two are hard to separate.

    • Anonymous May 16, 2012, 6:42 AM

      I’m with you on that.

      • Convertible Jew May 16, 2012, 10:50 AM

        I agree. I’m struggling with this exact issue. As frum culture goes crazy with chumras and Asifa’s there is less I can identify with in what has become of our great religion.

        • Anon May 16, 2012, 11:45 PM

          Like

    • OfftheDwannaB May 17, 2012, 8:47 PM

      The only reason otd’ers are miserable is because their families cut them off- usually following a psak.

  • Anonymous May 16, 2012, 8:12 AM

    I’m starting to take up the opinion we should do the Amish thing and kick frum kids out into the world at some point so maybe they get some perspective. That is all.

    • Convertible Jew May 16, 2012, 10:51 AM

      Frumspringa here we come…

      • bratschegirl May 16, 2012, 11:45 AM

        Convertible Jew FTW!!!

      • Catholic Mom May 16, 2012, 6:09 PM

        Brilliant pun that probably less than 1 in 10,000 people would get. I live not too far from Amish country.

        • michaltastik May 17, 2012, 9:08 PM

          Nah… Judging Amy did an episode featuring it.

  • Joey May 17, 2012, 5:07 PM

    I love this blog!! Everybody continue I’m gettin a huge kick outta it

  • Dovid May 20, 2012, 12:17 PM

    Forgive me for my rather lengthy first post. I’m sure it’s easy to criticize people that have done the same thing for thousands of years as backward, primitive, and superstitious. But every time I try to discuss issues I encounter the same mindset that I’m accused of having. For example, lets try discussing “The theory of evolution”. The theory is a good one and has been demonstrated in microcosim with crossbreeding and genetic engineering. The problem is… Evolution is a possibility once you have an existing, functioning, complete world. Lets back up a few hundred gazillion years (according to scientists). Now if I were to ask a scientist the following question:
    I have a piece of roast beef. I puree’ it in a cusineart and irradiate it to kill bacteria. I place the Roast beef in a sealed sterile flask, with the atmosphere of your choice (HE, H, O, N, etc, or in any combination)that is most conducive to supporting life. I expose it to the light source of your choice that is most conducive to supporting life. I subject it to the temperature or rotating temperature range that is most conducive to supporting life. How long do I have to wait until bacteria or some other life form appears in this flask? I’ll be told that I’m an idiot because Louis Pastuer established the accepted scientific principle of abiogenesis about 160 years ago and there will never be any life in my flask despite the fact that it contains lipoids, protein, amino acids, RNA, DNA, all the building blocks of life, and it was walking and breathing a week ago. However when I ask the same scientist who ridicules me, where did the first living cell come from 100 gazillion years ago, when there was no amino acids, no protein, no lipoids, no RNA, and no DNA and science says abiogenesis doesn’t happen? I’m told that even though science says there is no abiogenesis, we have to BELIEVE that it happened once, because we’re here. So when the scientist says you have to believe in what science says can’t happen, he’s an intellectual. When I believe in G-d, I’m told I’m an idiot. Going a step further, and granting the scientist one miracle. “POOF” you have a living cell. Which is now in the hostile ammonia rich atmosphere of the “pre-biotic soup” which has a life expectancy of perhaps 5 seconds or less. Being as there is no RNA or DNA and no method of reproduction, having granted the scientist one free miracle, we are now in the same place we started and can ask, “so, where did the second cell come from, being that science says abiogenesis doesn’t happen? Any intelligent answer that concur with science? Feel free to rip me. I came here accidentally and probably won’t be back.

    • DRosenbach May 20, 2012, 2:53 PM

      Lets back up a few hundred gazillion years (according to scientists).

      Internet text is as of yet still unaccompanied by eyebrows, but I must say that you seem to appear quite sarcastic, which is too bad, because you started off with such profuse introductory apologies that I thought you were going to do this neutrally.

      Altogether, your point is a good one, but what you seem to fail to do is present it appropriately — your argument should be phrased as a question, not an attack that appears to have no reputable manner of rebuttal. But to me, that’s what it appears you meant to do — blow a hole right through the hull and watch the ship of science sink.

      You’re thoroughly confusing science for something else — perhaps it’s not your fault because that’s how it’s been presented to you over the years, but your premise smacks of confusion, nonetheless. Contrary to what you may have heard, science is blind. From Wikipedia, it’s “a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.” In that sense, science is weak because it cannot make advances or establish findings without checking off each step on the checklist. That’s very weak — we’d all love to skip and jump here and there, but science will not allow it.

      But where science is strong, and quite strong at that, is that when something is established, it’s pretty rock solid. That is, until it’s disproven by counter-evidence. But that’s science — no one pretends it’s perfect except the people who want to bash it. Statistical errors exist, and mathematic principles play a large part in scientific method and discovery, but by and large, science has got it made in the shade because all it purports to know is that everything is proposes is true or false insofar as that’s what the data reveals. But there’s always a 5% chance, working off the proverbial p value, that the results did indeed occur by chance and that’s what we’ve got to live with.

      My point, in case I’ve been rambling too much, is that you’re taking science to task for something it cannot be taken to task for. That’s not what science is for and that’s not it’s about and that’s not what it’s capable of. Science observes, takes notes and allows us to predict what will happen based upon what we can demonstrate with authority, integrity and validity as being ‘according to how things happen,’ and asking science how it can account for the origins of the universe as a prerequisite for accepting its assertions is just plain silly, because that’s not what science is about.

      Which brings us to religion. Science is not anti-religion. It’s just absent religion, if that makes any sense. Because religion is not measurably, it’s not within the realm of science. The Talmud provides a great example for this discussion:

      Two become sick with equivalent illness and two approach the court with equivalent circumstances, yet one perishes and the other lives, one is exonerated and the other is indicted. What is the explanation for this? One prayed and was answered [favorably] while the other was not answered [favorably]. And why would this occur? Because one offered a complete and wholesome prayer and the other did not. Another explanation given is that both offered such a positive prayer, but one offered it too late — there is a deadline of sorts, and one made it and the other missed it. (Bavli R”H 18a, 3 lines down)

      How is science supposed to look at this? Well, this guy took antibiotics and that guy didn’t. But why did that guy merit antibiotics and the other did not? The scientist looks at the universe to determine an answer — that guy can afford it, or that guy really had a viral infection and the antibiotics he took didn’t help a bit. Somewhere in there, religion would offer the explanation of God giving the one who prays wholesomely an infection capable of being fought off by antibiotics while the other guy gets the viral meningitis. Or the lazy bum who didn’t take the initiative and fails to exhibit zrizus and healthy ambition can’t find a job and so can’t afford the antibiotics even though he did have bacterial meningitis.

      You hear this so many times said in so many different ways that we’re all numb to it, which is quite unfortunate — and I won’t say that religion and science are non-overlapping magisteria, but they really do take two wildly different approaches towards things.

      Science cannot explain certain things because that’s not what it’s meant to do, just like an air conditioner can’t make toast. That doesn’t mean we trash the air conditioners or mock the workers as P.C. Richards — it just means we understand what tools we have and use them appropriately. Perhaps this is not the best analogy, but I thought it was funny so I’m not going to go back and delete it, even though I’m sure someone will quote me and find the hole. 🙂

      And I apologize for sounding condescending in the beginning if I did, I just meant to explain in a civil manner that you’re confusing some things, but you can’t see how nice my eyebrows were set while I typed those words.

  • anonymous atheist Jew May 24, 2012, 7:07 PM

    Oh, please. Has it ever occurred to you, Heshy Fried, that ex-Orthodox are angry about the oppressive way they were raised? That doesn’t mean they’re unhappy in their new life. They’re happy — but you don’t see that side of them. That’s the side that’s out in the secular (aka real) world. All you see is the anger they feel when they return to the religious world for a visit. Wouldn’t you be angry if your parents and community lied to you all your life? These “off the derech” Jews are very brave to leave their community and everything they’ve known. That takes conviction and courage, and should be viewed with respect. And all you have is hatred and condescension.

    • Alter Cocker May 24, 2012, 8:17 PM

      Oh, please. Has it ever occurred to you, anonymous, that not everything on this blog is written seriously? In fact, that quite a bit of it is not written seriously?

  • anon July 9, 2012, 11:40 AM

    Correction: ex hassidim are usually the ones who are angry

  • Semi OTD Giyoret August 11, 2012, 3:02 AM

    Id like to say that as a giyoret, who has lots of friends who are gerim, the treatment we receive at the hands of sooo many brn Jews is abominable. Ive seen regular shul goers stop going for now over two years in one case. Ive heard the stories about gerim going OTD or even back to their old religion b/c of the mistreatment and slight and rejection the experience. Often times, it isn’t necesarily blantant behavior, but things that make them feel awkward, out of place, harassed, questioned non stop, or singled out b/c of race or color. A major issue I have faced is elitism, and a feeling thqt I don’t measure up b/c of education and economic disadvantage. What people must understand is that you can’t compare those to the plight of native born Jews, b/c it doesn’t compound the same way. There s a defnite feeling f being a burden n a different level when you are a ger AND not making it financially. Another issue is that the bet din converted me w/o having me move first. Now I’m stuck in a non-jjewish area, and feeling the pressure. You will be shocked to know how mwny face these issues. Now, I regret my conversion which while VERY sincere, was the worst mistakebof my life. I find myself doing what ever it takes to get through the lonely, hungry summer (and other) Shabbatot when nobody will invite me for a meal. I wind up eating out. In this day and age, I would not advise anyone who isn’t a well off White person living in or moving to an open minded Jewish community to convert. Be careful what you wish for: you might just get it.

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