Chassidic Rapper Y-Love finally comes out of the closet

Y-Love came out to me at a shabbos meal a couple years ago, I wasn’t shocked at all, it finally explained his effeminate voice and some of his hand motions. I just wondered what it would do to his career, I’d noticed that many frum Jews can’t separate their politics and religion from things enough to listen to a rapper who called himself frum and gay. Well, he now considers himself ex-Chassidic, so I guess we can all go back to liking Y-Love. For a second there I thought we’d have to give up listening to him (especially his sefira album) because he was going against the Torah. Check out the piece on Out.com.

 

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  • http://www.anonymous.com Anonymous

    All you had to do was read few of his blog/facebook posts to figure it out. The man spoke like hes the spokesperson for gay rights. Him being gay doesn’t bother me in the least. But whats with the dressing in drag? As far as I know, homosexuality has nothing to do with cross dressing unless you’re a transvestite. Seeing him in drag just turned me off of the music. Was way too distracting.

  • Velvel

    He’s been callig himself ex-chassidic for a while…Long before he came out publicly. Also, many of his fans knew he was gay for a long time as he has told quite a few people privately. He is still observant of other mitzvot though. He was misquoted about his observance.

  • Pinchas ben Amram

    What Y-Love is doing is Chillul Hashem and using the Torah to support his position. The trend that is happening today is that being gay is suppose to be accepted by religion, and recognized by the government as legitimate. If two gay people want to have sex, get married , and whatever else in their own private lives go right ahead. Thats a personal choice. But it should not be argued that religion and government to accept it. Nor to give false comparisons and analogies to racism and bigotry if one is against gay marriage being recognized by the government.

    • http://www.frumsatire.net Heshy Fried

      Since Rubashkin also used the Torah support his position, I wonder if Lipa will also make a song for Ylove.

    • Moshe

      Remind me again why government should NOT accept gay marriage?

      Perhaps you’ve got the whole notion of the separation of church and state (assuming you live in a democratic country which claims to have a separation of state and church) so far convoluted that you’ve actually associated government with restricting freedom based off of thousands of year old story books.

      Also, you setting up shop and playing God on what religion should and shouldn’t accept is both abrasive and extremely pretentious. Who made you the spokesperson for today’s religious zeitgeist?

      • Just a thought

        Actually, trying to have the state recognize marriage, is the combination of church and state, marriage in its true essense is a religious institution, being domestic partner or civil unions is a goverment acklowgement of a religious marriage,… So if the homosexuals want to live together and run a home as a hetrosexual couple, then the goverment should shake their head if they disagree, but accept, but to tell a church that its called marriage? Is the ultimate confusion we are living in these days of “social progress” where we impose our views on religion, and call it seperation of churh and state,,,, and please don’t call it racism, minoritys get treated different just for being born with different color, homesexuals, only after you act different and say how you prefer your sex, do people treat you different, …. I think, there is a big difference even if your orientation wasn’t your choice, its your choice on how you act upon it, unless real minoritys who have no choice..

        • Pinchas ben Amram

          I see there are a lot of people in support of being openly gay,and gay marriage. So lets put it to the test. I see lots of duplicity in support of being openly gay, and gay marriage. In that, if you are in support of it so much, why don’t you raise your children toward the orientation of being with a man or a woman of the same gender. No most of these supporters are not going to go home make some kids, and then tell Yossi that, hey, you can be with any person you like man or woman. Its cool, and its in the times in the name of Equality. Gays in the US have full and equal protection with the Constitution of the United States. The problem and moral dilemma is that nobody wants to be in the minority on social issues that leads one to be labeled a bigot, a racists, or prejudice. But guess what, American go by whatever is the current trend to decide social issues. In my business, I have hired people who were lesiban and gay. No problem. But they were not open about it to the point that it had to be in my face with some social agenda that I accept their lifestyle or else I’m a racist. For some people who are gay, I think some have a real bad self esteem issue to the point that they have to go out and make balagan with people in the wrong places. Just keep your life, and your business to yourself. This is America, and we live in a puristic society, which means I am free to choose not to believe or accept the gay lifestyle as moral, ethical, or appropriate.

          • Hannah

            I tried reading your post, but I couldn’t get past the rip roaring logical fallacies. Also, frankly, as a Jew, you should be a little ashamed of yourself for supporting bigotry and oppression. What is the point of you going to a Passover Seder every year, if you’re not going to take home a lesson or two about helping those who are looked down upon? I’m not saying you have to approve of anyone’s choices in life, or engage in certain activities yourself, but to imply that another minority doesn’t deserve equality, when you yourself belong to a minority that lived CENTURIES being shoved to the side? Honestly, it’s shameful.

            1. Regarding duplicity: So, if one supports the ability of others to be treated equally regardless of their being a minority, then one should go home and, naturally, encourage their children to become a part of that minority. By that logic, any goy who feels that a Jew should be allowed to participate in business practices, or have their marriage to a non-Jew be recognized by the state, should go home and demand that their child convert to Judaism immediately. Tremendous pressure, considering Judaism’s stance on converts. Saying that I support the civil liberties of the LGBT community doesn’t necessarily translate to me coming home and demanding my child be gay. What it DOES mean is that if he does turn out to be Gay, I will have helped create a more loving world in which he can live.

            2) “Gays in the US have full and equal protection with the Constitution of the United States.” I liked this one, particularly because in many states that do not recognize any sort of civil marriage, the children of a partner who dies can go into foster care or adoption, even if the living partner is still willing to take custody. Also, healthy partners can be banned from visiting their dying mates in hospitals, because they are not legally married, nor are they family.

            So, consider for a second, that someone you love deeply, is in a hospital bed, slowly withering away from Cancer. This person is all alone in a sterile room that smells of chemicals, and all you want to do is spend those last few days with them. Your hetero friends can stay through the night with their dying partners, but you have to leave after an hour, because you’re not legitimiate. Yes, gay people have the right to not be subject to pogroms, or beaten in the streets. So do dogs. That’s nmot equality.

            3) “Just keep your life, and your business to yourself.” I see your point, and I don’t necessarily disagree. I don’t particularly care if someone is gay, straight, or some kind of freaky whatever on their nights off… I don’t go around shouting that I’m straight, I don’t necessarily want to hear the details of anyone else’s sex life.

            However, the argument a lot of people make, and you might know this if you actually knew anytthing about the communities in which you are currently sitting in judgement, is that when people realize they actually KNOW a gay person, and that they like this person, that maybe they will be less biased against the community as a whole.

            For example, I live in the South, and work in government. I worked with a Jewish man who was a real jerk to the people around him.. Rude, insulting, judgemental… and most of the people with whom I worked started thinking all Jews were that way. I informed them that, no, we’re not all like that. They hadn’t realized I was Jewish as well, but knowing me gave them the opportunity to realize that minorities are made up of inidividuals, too. Some good, some sucky. Knowing someone you like or admire is gay, gives you the chance to be less of a misinformed, judgemental person about the community as a whole.

            4) “This is America, and we live in a puristic society” I can’t argue this point, because “puristic” is not a real word. Did you mean “puritanical”? As in Christian? As a Jew, you should know that the fabric of American society is based on a variety of minorities, and granting them equal rights. It’s those rights that allow you to function better here, than two hundred years ago in Poland. Lots of people there didn’t want to have to deal with Jews. Lots of people now don’t want to have to deal with Gays.

            As a Jew, you may not like that gay people exist, but to support oppression is about as anti-Jewish as you can possibly get. You might as well be a Klan member living in Nebraska.

  • Vegas

    why is he ex-chassidic now? He can’t be a Chassid and Gay?

    • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DRosenbach DRosenbach

      It will most certainly depend on one’s definitions of ‘chassid’ and ‘gay.’

  • Ouch

    This music is horrible!
    Hurting my ears.
    And I like rap, but not this crap.

  • zach

    I like the part of the article that says “he converted to Hasidic Judaism in 2000″

  • Crowin’ Cock

    Why am I not surprised?

  • jack

    So we’ve got a black,jewish gay man here. Congratulations on being the most hated person in the world.

    • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DRosenbach DRosenbach

      …if he ever gets Polish citizenship, they’ll be no stopping him!

    • A. Nuran

      Only if he becomes an atheist. Atheists are the most hated people in America. More than gays. More than Muslims. Much more than Jews.

  • http://www.kosherunicorn.com KosherUnicorn

    “it finally explained his effeminate voice and some of his hand motions” Heshy, there are PLENTY of heterosexual guys with ‘effeminate’ voices and hand motions…. and probably very traumatic memories of grade school. Being gay does not equate with being ‘effeminate.’

    • same

      agreed. just a gratuitous little insult slipped in there.

  • Crowin’ Cock

    One mixed up dude. I wonder if this makes him a goy retroactively.

    • yonah65

      Obviously a disturbed individual. Wonder what the beys din that did his gay-rus is thinking now!

  • whoah5772

    no it would not void his conversion, its ridiculous to even suggest that Mr Cock (ironically named of course), nobody is defined by their sexuality, unless they define themselves by it, if he has always had attractions for men then its not an issue, because no where does it say anything about attraction, and also as jews we have to give the benefit of the doubt, in other words we don’t judge based on his statments. That being said anybody can do as many mitzvos as they can regardless of other factors, that being said, the commandemtn of “simlas ish and isha” is diffenrt from the commandemtn that many claim directs human sexuality,
    and to be honest, if you like him you will continue to like him, and if you dont like him now then dont pretend it has to o with the sexuality b/c u never really liked him

    • Crowin’ Cock

      whoah5772,

      I don’t think it’s that ridiculous. A convert is supposed to accept to follow the religion in order to convert. If they stop following, they lose their status.

      In this case, he’s looking for a husband, not to mention whatever practice he’s going to be getting until then, thereby transgressing one of the 3 sins one is supposed to rather die than transgress. If that doesn’t invalidate his conversion, I don’t know what would.

      As for liking him, I’ve never met him, so I can’t say whether or not I would like him. I personally can’t stand rap, so I never listened to the garbage that he calls music. And he did come off as kind of annoying preaching about racial unity, etc.

      • Whoa5772

        No you cant invalidate a conversion, a scenario is presneted where a women who converts stops practicing after a week, its detrmined that if she follows halacha and then walks 4 amos that she is jewish, listen there are lots of aveirot, and lots of desires, we just happen to make a hoopla out of sexuality (which is an odd concept if you think about it)
        a man who is gay is halachically similar to a man who desires pork or seafood (another “abomination”)…basically you cant invalidate a conversion, and rabbi tropper did it, but now he is way more disgraced than Y-love

      • anonimo

        “If they stop following, they lose their status.”

        You must be following Reform Judaism, which rules that any Jew that converts to another religion loses their Jewish status. Us Jews that follow the Torah believe that once a Jew (converted through a halachic beit din or born to a Jewish mother), always a Jew.

        Have a nice drive to Temple tomorrow.

        • Crowin’ Cock

          anonimo,

          I’m not too sure that you have your facts straight. Reform and conservative are the ones that allow converts to join Judaism without enforcing their observance.

          A friend of mine was born Jewish to a converted mother (she converted before he was born). He grew up, went to yeshiva and even got a smicha. Later on in life, his mother stopped observing. This threw her conversion into doubt, and the rabbis suggested that the son “convert” , just to resolve the doubt. Son understandably got pissed off, he ended up leaving the county and the sect.

          If Mr. Love is openly transgressing and advocating the transgression of one of the Torah’s most serious offenses, I would think that it would put a serious doubt on his status. I would even go as far as guessing that his ex-wife may retroactively get the status of “Zonah” (for being with a non Jew).

          I’m not a rabbi, nor am I trying to pass judgement on either of them. Maybe a REAL rabbi reading this post can shed light onto this.

      • http://www.kosherunicorn.com KosherUnicorn

        Conversion, when done properly (i.e. valid procedure and intent), is irreversible. That’s why conversion is such a serious matter.

        It appears that Y-Love earnestly tried to have a ‘traditional’ Orthodox family life, seeking hetero marriage and presumably children, so I don’t think he was planning this all along.

        - Yisroel

    • Pinchas ben Amram

      In his “coming out” article, Ylove said that “he’s looking for a husband’! He is publicly not being committed to Torah by voicing these views. It looks like he’s gonna have to start hanging with the Reform and Conservative Judaism crowd. I don’t see him being accept into any Orthodox shuls anytime soon. Really sad. Yitz. You could have been a contender!

  • Sam

    Now he’s looking for a husband ?! Wtf!

  • SJ

    fag

    • yonah65

      A dybbuk from the sitra achra.

      • http://www.kosherunicorn.com KosherUnicorn

        “…said SJ, looking in the mirror as he pondered his deep insecurity… and possible latent homosexuality.”