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With all due respect, Gedolei Yisroel, YOU are a greater danger to children than the Internet.

On Sunday, May 20, 2012 at Citifield in New York, there will be anasifa[gathering] (no women allowed) led by the leaders of various and varying sects of ultra-Orthodox Judaism. I won’t bog you down with too many details, but its purpose is to enforce a ban on the Internet and other modern communication technologies like iPhones for Orthodox Jews. One Rabbi even wants to make Jews who would dare to use the Internet feel like “second-class citizens in Klal Yisroel. [Jewish nation]” Ostensibly, one of the chief reasons given by these Rabbis for these bans is protecting children (few people disagree on the need to prevent kids from harm, after all.)The horrible irony in it all is that the Gedolei Yisroel[“Great ones of Israel – term for Ultra Orthodox leaders] are the very men complicit in:

  • Covering up sexual crimes against children.
  • Protecting the rapists and abusers and commanding those with knowledge of the crimes to remain silent or facerepercussions.
  • Blaming the victims, ruining their shidduch[marriage] prospects and expelling them from Yeshivot.
  • Silent (but occasionally explicit) condoning of campaigns of intimidation and violence against those victims and their families who refuse silence and identify or press charges against their tormentors.

How dare they presume the moral authority to lecture anyone on protecting children? With all due respect, learned Rabbis: YOU are the real danger to children, not the Internet. The Internet has, in fact, shown the world that the Emperor has no clothes; your complicity in protecting serial-rapists, arsonists, abusive husbands and sadists is now public knowledge. But instead of fighting the real menaces to children, you attack the medium which brings such stories to light.

Shame on you, Rabbis. Shame.

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  • Yellow April 30, 2012, 9:02 PM

    its purpose is to enforce a ban on the Internet and other modern communication technologies like iPhones…

    Someone has no clue what its purpose is.

    Oh, and you’re full of shit. You totally did not say that with all due respect.

    • Neal April 30, 2012, 9:14 PM

      He said it with at least as much respect they are due.

    • A. Nuran May 1, 2012, 1:13 AM

      He gave them all the respect they deserve.

  • Anonymous April 30, 2012, 9:31 PM

    “With all due repect” what respect? You’re doing exactly what the media does. Every time an orthodox jew does something bad. We all get judged as one. Just because a so called rabbi does protect a bad person it does not mean that every rqbbi is evil. Believe it or not there are some rightious gedolim out there that do actually mean it lshem shomayim.
    You know how dangerous the internet can be for children and adults alike. I do think that when the internet first came out by taking a stand completely against it they lost. Realizing that in today’s world it’s nearly impossible to function without the nternet so they have taken a different approach and are working along with it.

    • A. Nuran May 1, 2012, 1:20 AM

      Did any of your “Great Ones” take a stand against this?

      Has a single major Orthodox organization cooperated with law enforcement to stop child abuse and bring the perpetrators to justice? No.

      Has every single one of them said “Go to your shaman. Go to the religious courts. Don’t go to the police”? Yes. Yes. And Yes.

      Do any of the yeshivas turn in molesters, demand background checks for teachers and comply with mandatory reporter laws? No. Not one.

      Has every single one of these organizations plus the Chassidic sects’ rabbis fought against these laws? Yes.

      Have they fought to make rosh yeshivas and rabbis exempt? Absolutely.

      Do any of the cult compounds like New Skvere and Kiryas Joel comply with these laws and actively help Law Enforcement and Social Services root out these monsters? Not a chance.

      Have the few rabbis brave enough to stand up to this pressure been isolated and shunned? Without a doubt.

      So don’t stamp your precious little feet and scream “Anti-Semites!” The rabbinate, the “community” and Orthodox Judaism as a whole is guilty as sin, and its sins are mortal.

      • your dear friend anonymous May 1, 2012, 8:28 PM

        Rabbi Shmuel Kaminetzky, Rabbi Herschel Schachter, many shul rabbanim I know of have told people to report molestors. They are not isolated. Why must you lie??

        • Mike May 3, 2012, 12:32 PM

          “Why must you lie??”

          Apostate Jews are frequently dishonest with regards to Judaism, because they are often rotten people.

  • Haimishe Ex-Kollel Dude April 30, 2012, 9:57 PM

    Top Ten Reasons for the Cit-Field Internet Ban Circus….

    10. Agudah hijacked the Siyum Hashas (a stadium NOT named Ateres [insert name here]) and unless you are a tutzich macher chosheve rov with equally tutzich macher Hatzolah dudes in your flock, you’re only getting Tier 3 seating. A real Shandeh!
    9. The Lipa ban was a big bust and failure. A resounding comeback is vital!
    8. “Klal Yisroel” (emphasis added) is in desperate need of… A) an outing and B) something at a stadium and C) a day off from Yeshiva
    7. Little known fact…. Citi Field is required by NYC to dedicate non-profit events at the stadium for all the tax breaks it received but they will NOT plan them years in advance giving bonafide organizations a chance to utilize it. A Macher with a key ring and radio pulled it off and suckered in all the weirdo (make no mistake about it) Rabbis into it.
    6. No Women!!! Cause they ARE the reason for all our problems!! Sheesh. What Catholic clergy was involved in the planning of this deal? strike that. The list of Rabbis answer that.
    5. Whoa… Hold on…. Hasn’t every person planning on attending signed and sworn to their kids school that they have absolutely no internet?? I think there should be a massive rally for A) Asifa against McDonalds and B) Asifa to ban Space Travel and of course C) Asifa against Crotchless Panties!!! Definitely.
    4. No Women!!! Duh!!!! All the Chol Hamoed events and movie stuff were “For Woman and Girls Only”. Hello!!?? Men and Boys deserve their own thing!!
    3. The amount of Kollel Dudes are just horrible. More are needed. The internet is the cause for the rapid decline… [roll eyes now]
    2. The “Shidduch Crisis” program didn’t catch on as hoped
    and the #1 reason for the Asifa to Ban the Internet…..
    FRUMSATIRE.NET !!! Hello???!!! Anyone Home???!!!

    • far rockawayer April 30, 2012, 10:08 PM

      this should be a separate post named “Reasons for the Cit-Field Internet Ban Circus” so we can all add our own. brilliant list so far A+

    • klanonymous May 1, 2012, 8:30 PM

      You spent all that time on this drab piece??

  • Kasha Varnishkas April 30, 2012, 10:21 PM

    Now let’s break this down because your rant makes as much sense as lukshen and buckwheat.

    If all ultra orthodox Rabbis are evil conspirators and supporters of child molestation, then you seem to indicate that all Rabbis are all worthless and phonies. If so, you must hold that the Torah and all commentary is also worthless, because it is all full of chareidi Rabbi stuff. If the torah is gone, so is Judaism. All that rich history, the western wall, latkes and chopped liver, all products of a fake nation. Thousands of years of persecution against a people that are just fooling themselves. The only beacon of truth is you, who is more intelligent than those evil rabbis and only you will raise a family with true values, but since you have negated Judaism, will need to raise them in a different religion. You may want to look into Islam. They seem to have it all worked out.

    • Meir April 30, 2012, 10:36 PM

      “If so, you must hold that the Torah and all commentary is also worthless, because it is all full of chareidi Rabbi stuff.”

      Chareidi Judaism was created as a reaction to the Haskala, so everything up to the early Acharonim is still cool.

      • Philo May 1, 2012, 10:22 AM

        Orthodox Judaism was created as a reaction to the Haskala. Charedi Judaism is only a few decades old.

      • anonymous May 1, 2012, 8:32 PM

        So when the gemara says it is better to walk behind a lion than a women that was “cool”.

    • Eli May 1, 2012, 7:21 AM

      I agree with everything you said up until the part about “but since you have negated Judaism, will need to raise them in a different religion” – no, I’m actually just going to stick with atheism. All religions are harmul, the more fundamentalist they are the worse. (Oh ok, atheism is also a religion – I guess I didn’t realize that I was indoctrinated into atheism from when I was a baby).
      (BTW I disagree about all “all ultra orthodox Rabbis are evil conspirators and supporters of child molestation”)

    • Meshugah May 1, 2012, 10:23 AM

      “…latkes and chopped liver, all products of a fake nation.”

      More self-indulging Ashenazi rhetoric. Like Meir said, Haredi Judaism is a reaction to the enlightment. Ultra-Orthodox Ashkenazi Judaism has done more to alienate Jews and contribute to assimilation than the enlightment has ever done. One must wonder, why aren’t there any major divisions within the Sephardic community? Because they were more open to modernity than some of these pasty Pollacks stuck in the pale(sic) of the 18th century.

      • anonymous May 1, 2012, 8:35 PM

        More self-indulging, self esteemless Sephardic rhetoric

      • Daniela December 16, 2018, 1:37 AM

        So true. There were fights between rabbis ever since that time. About direction of education, everything! Holocaust and making America orthodox just made Orthodoxy more unreal. The whole who is better Ashkenazi or Sephardi makes me sick though. We should pull together. In this case publish perpetrators of crimes, separate those from community!!!! They should be treated like scums-Ashkenazi, Sefardi, Charedi, Litvak, Chasid, whatever…Until then, only sheeple can be in community that believes it is all ok, because their big posek rabbi told them so.

  • NK April 30, 2012, 10:29 PM

    The idea of the Asifa is to promote awareness of the dangers that do exist (not just porn) and to encourage the use of filters and monitoring. This is nothing new to the modern world. In fact the largest “Orthodox” monitoring service, Yishmoreini, is actually a customized service run by Covenant Eyes, a non-jewish service. Forget porn, there are lots of other dangers of an unmonitored internet, such as child molesters who are very good at manipulating young kids online.

    With all due respect, you have no idea what you’re talking about and you are now 100% guilty of what you claim the “Orthodox leaders” are doing: Talking out of your a$$.

    Take a hint from your own blog posts and learn the facts before you open your mouth.

  • amrilusaguy April 30, 2012, 10:31 PM

    this has nothing to do with the internet. It is on 28 iyar – yom yerushalayim all the rabbis are going to suddenly embrace zionism and break out and say hallel in honor of yom yerushalyim with a bracha brov am vbehidur rav

    • Yochanan May 1, 2012, 12:09 PM


  • Stasherr April 30, 2012, 10:46 PM

    I sense bitterness in the opposition to Jews gathering to voice their concern over the welfare of children. It’s akin to ex-Xtians slandering Fundamentalist Pastors and Catholic Priests. The gathering is also aesthetically similar to “Stadium Revivals” but that’s beside the point. When I hear of such opposition, it indicates a clear lack of identity and recognition of heritage. That or it’s mere self-loathing, which Hipster Anarchists are expert at devouring. Unless, the criticism is meant to instigate, but then even that’s a subtle Messianic ploy. Ushering the masses into derision is not that difficult.

    • Anonymous May 1, 2012, 10:44 PM


  • A. Nuran April 30, 2012, 11:14 PM

    They protect evildoers.
    They hide crimes.
    They take vengeance against the little children who come forward and their families.
    They obstruct justice.
    They spit on the Law.
    They tamper with witnesses.
    They intimidate witnesses.
    They destroy evidence.

    They are evil and deserve nothing but the contempt of all decent people.

    If they really represent Judaism, then Judaism is a corrupt and evil religion which delights in the blood and pain of innocent babies.

    It really is that simple.

    And Dan, before you open your ignorant cake hole, tell me how many child abuse victims you’ve had to help, how many friends and lovers you’ve had to hold while they wept and shook and how many times you had to restrain yourself or someone else from killing a child molester. For some of us the number is more than one for each of those.

    • A. Nuran April 30, 2012, 11:16 PM

      And any Jew who goes along with this, any Jew who survivor who has the courage to come forward, any Jew who listens to the “Great Ones” or sits idly by the blood of his brother in this is just as guilty.

      Any of you who have done this, kept it “in the community” are just as guilty as the monsters. Do teshuva or die from shame.

      • A. Nuran May 1, 2012, 1:07 AM

        …sorry should have been “any Jew who shuns a survivor who has the courage”

        • anonymous May 1, 2012, 8:38 PM

          You seem to be suffering from this issue. I think you are using you victomhood to malign a group, which you are ignorant of.

          • A. Nuran May 2, 2012, 12:10 AM

            I think you are a vile hypocrite. If it were anti-Semites instead of child molesters you’d sing a very different tune.

            • anonymous May 2, 2012, 3:11 PM

              it is impossible to call one a hypocrite based on 1 statement. your attack proves that you are thinking emotionally not logically. Unfortunately, your outburst is not just based on emotional presumptions, it is coherent. As such I cannot respond to sequential points not made.

  • Tinok ShenishBeth April 30, 2012, 11:51 PM

    Wasn’t Citifield built with public money? (Like $600 million in public funds?) Should they be allowed to host events that ban 1/2 of the population from attending? Imagine the uproar if a group wanted to have a meeting and was refusing entry to Jews, blacks, or hispanics.

    I believe a phone call to Metropolitian Hospitality is in order. This ain’t Beit Shemesh!

    • A. Nuran May 1, 2012, 1:09 AM

      But these are the people who believe everywhere is Beit Shemesh.

  • Kneidel Maidel April 30, 2012, 11:54 PM

    The term Gedolei Yisrael is a misnomer. Authentic Jewish leadership has gone down the shitter ages ago unless you consider Jewish leadership to be all about blaming women,internet,and assimilated Jews for all the problems we collectively face in the Jewish world. If these “leaders” don’t have the balls to address the real issues we have then maybe they should rethink the title they gave themselves. To me, they are nothing more than a bunch of megalomaniacs or the people are incapable of having good judgment. I came to the conclusion that people in those circles are misguided and need someone to control their lives. That’s fine so long as they keep the “do or die” phenomenon to themselves. They certainly don’t speak for me nor represent me so I don’t feel obligated to listen to their ridiculous declarations. The leadership we know is just a shadow of yesteryear.

    • A. Nuran May 1, 2012, 1:08 AM

      Were they ever really all that? We get hagiographic stories that make them ten feet tall and wiser than a barnfull of owls. How much of that is true? How much is self-reinforcing stories?

    • Yochanan May 1, 2012, 12:15 PM

      Considering the level of obesity in the Charedi world, I think it’s pretty accurate!

    • anonymous May 1, 2012, 8:42 PM

      1 ad hominem manifesto with many words. there is not 1 salient point

  • G-d believer May 1, 2012, 1:48 AM

    Let’s look back my friend to the time of Purim. Mordechai who was the gadol Hadar, the spiritual leader of the Jewish people told everyone not to go to the party of achashveirosh.

    In our generation we also have a gadol hador and if says we need to all gather together as one to show g-d that “we care about you, and we want our future generations to as well without being to distracted.

  • G-d believer May 1, 2012, 1:59 AM

    Every jew has a responsibility to learn the entire Torah the nigleh the revealed parts and the nistar, the hidden parts. In the hidden parts one you have seen all the revealed parts, you learn parts of kaballah and you start to see g-DS governments of kedusha and tumah in this briah or creation. You and I my friend have not anklink of the amount of knowledge that the gadol hador has when it comes to these things.

    I am not claiming to say I understand the big deal of this thing, bec I like most don’t. But if the gadol hador who knows what is holy what is unholy better then anyone says to gather together Jews of all walks of life, then we go.

  • Horrible Jew May 1, 2012, 4:36 AM

    If I email them, they probably would ban me from the event.

  • PaniniBread613 May 1, 2012, 5:58 AM

    Darchei Noam of Oceanside is also a great danger – turning Jews away from Yiddishkeit. I am sick of tired how these black hats treat Jews like crap, but you know what…. they shouldn’t do this. They shouldn’t bring the evil eye upon them.

    • Telz Angel May 1, 2012, 7:06 AM

      Oh yours, in comparison to the whole world and the whole internet, your personal scuffle with some jerk in a shul somewhere cannot be ignored. In fact, let’s divert attention away from everyone else in the world, and talk about you.

      Tell us about how wonderful you are and why those vicious people at Darchei are bothering you, dear. You know that I’ll always take your side, bubbelleh.

  • TheRealJoe May 1, 2012, 8:54 AM

    MR Lerner, you grew up Chabad so even had you never left the frum community you wouldn’t be with in right to post such an article as in Chabad we have very little concept of gedolim and their policy’s so regardless if this conference is a joke or not its not fair for you to be posting this had an ex Lakewood dude or Satmer wrote this I wouldn’t have a problem its just this is straight out intellectual dishonesty.

    • Critic May 1, 2012, 10:02 AM

      Not only grew up Chabad but at one point an authentic card carrying yechinik Meshichist who went from one form of extremism to it’s polar opposite.

  • Anonymous May 1, 2012, 9:44 AM

    This event is ridiculous. Can we move on now?

    Every frivolous and arbitrary “issue” of the Orthodox community does not warrant a discussion about the hypocrisy relating to the problems of child abuse. Is it a big issue? Yes, as it is a large issue in many religious and non-religious communities.

    Abuse should be talked about in greater detail in a serious discussion in it’s own right instead of “Arbitrary Issue->Ridiculous Rabbi’s Fault->Did we mention the abuse in the Orthodox community!??! ->Nonconstructive Discussion about how ridiculous Orthodox Judaism is and how horrible abuse->Result being seen as just another jab at the religious instead of a serious issue.”

    Also: Who the “Gedolei Yisroel” are is pretty relative so saying all of them are responsible for anything is absurd to begin with. That said-Saying all the “gedolei yisroel” participate in all the things mentioned that they are, according to you complicate in, is without any respect or even logic. There are great rabbis out there, they might not be the loud idiot at the party, but they exist and in no way should they be lumped together with the rabbis who would rightfully be shunned.

    We might want to try being a bit more satirical. Works out for the best.

  • Crowin' Cock May 1, 2012, 10:40 AM

    Is David Lerner aka failedmessiah?

  • Thinking out loud May 1, 2012, 10:47 AM

    The banning of the women is such a textbook case of chosid shoyteh ( coincidentally I heard it was a group of chasidim that demanded no women): this Asifa is so important that they have to shut dwn BMG for the day but chas ve shalom a woman should also come t o this ‘important’ event because and I might sit in the same stadium as them! It’s like letting the woman in the river drown because her bathing suit isn’t tznius enough for to go in and save her

  • Stanley Katz May 1, 2012, 12:29 PM

    Sorry to say but what does this have to do with Judaism?

  • Sam May 1, 2012, 4:59 PM

    If the Rabbi s wanna do some good, here is what I propose. Let them take all the molestorers is the community, together with nituria karta, tie them to a lamp post and have everyone spit on them. After a full day of this, a mohel will snap off their penis’s.

    • anonymous May 1, 2012, 8:45 PM

      very rationally thought out. Do you have any other solutions for the world’s problems?

      • noyb May 10, 2012, 10:10 AM

        yes just brilliant. only one problem. how are you going to find the molesters if they arent being turned in?

  • Critic May 1, 2012, 5:47 PM

    No.He’s not from Minneapolis.He was actually a student at the Lubavitcher yeshiva in Detroit which is a bastion of the ultra anti- Meshichisten.He then joined Academe,saw the “light’ and was “liberated” from the “anachronistic” beliefs of his medieval forbears.

    • David Lerner May 2, 2012, 4:31 AM

      Wow, anonymous Critic, you know my life story better than I do! Why is it you people never have the nerve to sign your names?

  • Critic May 1, 2012, 5:52 PM

    The above comment is in reply to Crowin’ Cock’s question”Is David Lerner aka failed messiah?”

  • Anonymous May 1, 2012, 11:14 PM

    Why do so many of you oppose this. It’s as if you’re afraid thatit will affect your lives. The whole idea of the asifa is for people who are looking to protect themselves and their families from the evils of the internet. Which has plenty of that. And as for “gedolim” find your own rabbinical guidance that you feel is truly righteous and follow his advice regarding hashkafa. But by negating all the rabonim you are in turn negating the torah. And in the great scheme of things who is puny little you to go up against something so big?

    • thinking outloud May 2, 2012, 2:38 AM

      so many oppose it because it sounds like a scam:

      1) its got very few local rabbis signed on (foreign rabbis are easier to manipulate)
      2) it has a two hour expo prior to the event where it will sell the only device likely to be discussed/approved at the event
      3) schools are coercing their parent bodies to attend
      4) they succumbed to pressure to exclude women (in the hope that those pressuring will bring in a block of people to fill the huge stadium??) Note, the siyum hashas which will also be held at a stadium will allow women to attend
      5) they are charging you to attend to defray the costs… was 850K for the rental necessary?? Wouldn’t Jacob Javitz ect.. have been a better more low-key, cheaper and more befitting venue? Who gets the overage??
      6) it just sounds like a colossal boondoggle loaded with ironies

  • Ella May 10, 2012, 10:00 AM

    they should have women activists outside the meeting place protesting. that would actually be quite lovely, along with other rabbis outside the place. supporting the women and encouragement of internet.

    I bet the gdolei who are calling the meeting are trying to cover up something. if people can’t communicate over internet it is easier to control them. But even then if you let internet, you can always use monitoring software. so what’s the big deal. I bet those few who want to ban it are the biggest users of technology

  • jmatch May 10, 2012, 9:03 PM

    i think u guys r just cry babies making lots of background noise thats about it. just like a baby has not developed his brain and just pure emotion so to r these anti asifa people. they have no interest in the safety of the children just interested bashing and belittling them. sour grapes! stinky and sour!

  • David Ram May 11, 2012, 3:39 AM

    The appropriate, albeit difficult, approach to moral advise and child protective advise in general – is to take the good advise. if your attitude is that “who are they to say…they do worse things such as…” – my guess is that you do not take criticism well and do not respect positive advise from people. ALL people, even the gedolim, make mistakes. and often they make decisions with which you may disagree, even on a moral basis. but does that mean their advise across the board should be ignored? The internet is dangerous. TV is bad (even according to the American Health Association!). It is in our interest to know how to take advise from smart, thoughtful people, and we can reserve the right to disagree. I feel bad for your spouse, boss, parents, etc. and if your children take general your view on advise, don’t expect them to respect you at all.

    • dovi kahan May 16, 2012, 9:10 AM

      The Lakewood B”D headed by Dovi Kahan and Ari Marburger endorse the Asifa to return Nechemia Gotlieb, partner with JNet , to the forefront of Chinuch. Although he was dismissed 2 years ago as menahel for suspending boys from school, and physically torturing them, when they were there. They do so, because he follows their orders of SIRUV even without investgating the facts.
      Abe Gutman also a dayan in the B”D is still teaching! Thanks to the internet we can do our own research and come to our own conclusions.

  • William Dwek December 24, 2012, 12:12 PM

    So women – still in admiration for the rapissts and abusers you cover your heads for? Wigs? Religious hogwash

    • Anonymous May 7, 2013, 8:46 AM

      Women are second class citizens in Islam and Judiasm because…they were created by MEN

  • Andrew Kohler December 26, 2012, 3:02 AM

    I notice one omission from the list of offenses: defending metzitzah b’peh and opposing even the risible and ineffective measure put forth by the health department to regulate it. I consider taking a nice to infant genitalia and sucking on the wound to be a greater threat than Google.

    • Andrew Kohler December 26, 2012, 3:04 AM

      *I consider taking a KNIFE, rather…I assure you that wasn’t a Freudian slip.

    • Andrew Kohler December 26, 2012, 3:06 AM

      Whoops, that should read: “I consider taking a *knife*…”

      An embarrassing error, but I assure you not a Freudian slip.

  • HankReardon77 June 26, 2014, 11:04 AM

    The purpose is to shore up political power and to make sure people cannot communicate effectively against corrupt leadership. Fall in line!

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