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You need to watch Pearl Perry Reich debating Shmuely Boteach on Dr. Phil

I just watched the infamous Pearl Perry Reich video on You Tube and as was discussed a couple weeks ago, Rabbi Shmuely Boteach was quite embarrassing and PPR is actually quite commendable. My favorite part of the 2 videos is when Pearl Perry Reich basically says that you cannot judge Judaism by the Jews. You really need to watch both videos, but part two is better.

Part 2:

Part 3:

PP remains fairly composed, though you know she wanted to jump out of that chair and ring Shmuely’s neck, I did too…

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  • Amanda March 21, 2012, 11:58 PM

    I watch the whole thing and I really feel like I wanted to ring BOTH of their necks. Shmuley for essentially lying about what normal orthodox judaism does or does not do, Pearl for insisting that it’s a cult.
    really, she’s too old to start a modeling career, and not all that convincing of an actress. I hope she has plan b…

    • Dan March 22, 2012, 12:02 AM

      I think she’s kind of cute. Let’s get her shidduch resume up here.

      Hesh: bet you can’t get her to put her shidduch resume on your site!

      • Meir March 22, 2012, 5:16 AM

        Uh, dude, her boyfriend was on the show with her.

        • Dan March 24, 2012, 10:28 PM

          nu nu. they’ll split up sometime

    • Heshy Fried March 22, 2012, 9:01 PM

      But it is a cult, you really don’t have to look far

      • Anon March 24, 2012, 10:30 PM

        You are misusing the word cult. I understand what you mean to say, assuming we understand chassidus the same. But it is not a cult. That is not what a cult is.

        • Rabbi nachman March 24, 2012, 10:38 PM

          This women is married and she’s screwing another dude! What’s worse is boteach makes it sound likes theres nothing wrong with it!

        • Fu@YEAHitsAcult March 29, 2012, 1:24 PM

          Not a cult? Last I heard the witnesses is a cult because they put their members on street corners to sell flowers and take all the money… when Belzer chassids get married, they are obligated to give $5,000 plus to the main synagogue fund within a certain amount of time. Don’t know about the other chassidic groups, but the rebbes who were holocaust survivors somehow built estates worth hundreds of millions of dollars for their kids to all fight over in federal court…. how does an old rebbe who is supposedly learning torah all day as a tzaddik and addressing the myriad of problems and kvitlach in their community — how does such a guy amass hundreds of millions????

          The only rebbe who died poor (and never went to Miami and elsewhere on vacation) was the lubavitcher (not that his followers didnt turn that into a cult and he allowed it.).

          • Hanny April 29, 2012, 9:29 PM

            Not exactly, The Lubavitcher Rebbe was not poor, nor extremely rich, he was okay, but he did not “allow” his followers to become a “cult” as you so put it. Many followers separated into different schools of thought, some so severely detached from the Rebbe’s ultimate goal, that I might even agree with referring it to such, but the Rebbe never agreed to any such conduct. He only wanted to encourage people to love each other out there ,and do acts of kindness.

            And he spent thousands, sometimes tens of thousands, every week to encourage people to give charity.

        • Fu@YEAHitsAcult March 29, 2012, 1:31 PM

          oy vey! poor perry exposed to the world how we really operate… a shandah that she went on TV, lets blame her now… getting married at 17 to someone you dont know, not allowing her to walk away from a bad marriage without agreeing to give up her kids (and if she wants to argue her case before us, let her pay another 350 an hour to the rabbis who will then consider it further and come tot he same conclusion… who are they? is that money being reported on their tax returns as income?) , wearing a wig that costs $4,000 – gulp! that’s how much they cost? I thought hair is supposed to be covered… oh its alright because its someone else’s hair on your head… we get around that law like that, you know…. yeah we all spend thousands of dollars on those sheitels just like we spend $100 plus for a lemon every year.

  • Julia March 22, 2012, 12:32 AM

    My biggest issue with Boteach was when he said that corruption needs to be exposed, but not to paint the whole religion as bad. Which is precisely what she’s trying to do. She said several times that she thinks Judaism is beautiful, but the fundamentalists have corrupted the religion and how can it be exposed without her talking about it???

    • JihadJew July 19, 2012, 5:19 PM

      It won’t be talked about in the same way Jews won’t talk about the Frankfurt School, Bolshevik mass murders, Multiculturalism, or Cultural Marxism. All of these are Jews and Jewish agendas. All of them also led to retaliation against the Jews, right or wrong. Now the West is chock full of Pro-Palestinian goons and the Jews are directly responsible.

  • Buggoigle! March 22, 2012, 1:06 AM

    The entire Lakewood, the entire Bara Pahk, the entire Williamsboig, the entire Mahnroe!

    Chocolate cake.

    Why do chanyuks on TV embarrass me so much, and why do I get the feeling that three Jews arguing on prime time was a bad idea?

    The argument– Shmuely was doing damage control and maybe lying a little because he believed that his lies are the way it should be. She was saying half of New York is forced into marriage at 17 because the people in her immediate vision are.

    Remember the sheitl lawsuit. Stop putting the New York frums on TV.

  • KosherUnicorn March 22, 2012, 3:19 AM

    Love ya, Heshy, but this old news. This former frum wanna-be ‘model’ has gotten enough exposure already.

    – Yisroel

    • Heshy Fried March 22, 2012, 9:03 PM

      Not everyone is tuned in all the time and I had never seen the videos

  • Ira March 22, 2012, 5:39 AM

    It is somewhat unusual that her boyfriend–who went to a chassidishe cheder–is unaware of the fact that its assur to be with an eishes ish. What the hell is he thinking by asking Boteach whether its permissible to kiss her?

    • Michael March 22, 2012, 10:02 AM

      I was wondering about that – and how come Shmuley couldn’t say clearly that all physical contact done in a way that shows affection (including kissing) is expressly forbidden in Shulchan Aruch – why did he brush the question off with a joke

    • Michaltastik March 22, 2012, 6:24 PM

      I think that was a slightly retorical question but Boteach’s answer was pretty funny, as he intended it to be.

  • S.H. March 22, 2012, 6:15 AM

    Her thing about the whole Lakewood and the whole Boro Park using arranged marriages destroys her credibility. Either she knew she was lying (and that’s a real whopper) or she’s just plain clueless.

  • Ira March 22, 2012, 6:26 AM


    I agree completely. There is no way she can be so stupid. She is lying just to bolster a new-fangled story. She cares nothing about Judaism, its laws, or her children–she cares about getting on television and making things as difficult as possible.

  • Yossy H March 22, 2012, 7:05 AM

    Well I didn’t watch the extended clip but from the previews Her,Boteach,her boy friend and DR Phil all look like they are something something real bad

  • Anon if I may March 22, 2012, 7:42 AM

    FTR, the boyfriend wrote some hit songs with/for Lipa including, “ich vill zain a Rebbe”

  • joewish March 22, 2012, 11:33 AM

    With all due respect to her, appearing on a TV show with her boy friend while she is married. Dr phil askes her about wearing trousers, ans she says judasim is about “morals”. Something sounds seriosly messed up with them.

  • Anonymous March 22, 2012, 12:18 PM

    she is going through a difficult divorce AND desperately wants to prove she can make it as a model / actress (Good Luck!) – what better forum to get her name out there then to appear on a talk show.
    How? with the only hook she has which is her messy divorce. She is already OTD and could give a hoot about anything anymore. She is pissed off and doesnt care. The problem is that she lost that freedom of not caring once she had children. She DOES have to care now. Going on TV and talking about how the religion she is choosing to continue raising her children within is a cult is a sign of selfishness… but only to her children.
    Is she ok with the confusion that they must be feeling or will feel when they are old enough to understand what she is doing?
    Is she ok with them keeping basic halacha when she herself doesn’t anymore? (she does in front of them though apparently).
    She went OTD bc of the abuse etc but also chose to pursue her dreams of becoming a successful model. To be honest, if she was that talented an actress or had that essence that scouts look for, she wouldn’t have had to resort to being on Dr Phil.
    She is a good looking woman but she is by no means going to book any print or runway shows other then local stuff or catalogues.
    Not that my opinion matters in the slightest -but she should focus on her children and her divorce right now. Leave her dreams of becoming a supermodel on the side until its all worked out – that’s the sacrifice you make when you have children. It sucks but its real life.

  • Justaguy March 22, 2012, 1:33 PM

    Part one is worth it just to hear Dr. Phil butcher everyone’s name.

  • Ira March 22, 2012, 3:06 PM

    She is not just a model and an actress–but a future lawyer!!!

  • Ira March 22, 2012, 3:07 PM

    . . .oh, and she is moral, too!

  • remember sholi mit payes March 22, 2012, 4:16 PM

    her toyboy friend is a straight out liar, for starters he got married at 19 not 17 and knew damn well what he was doing. he dumped a devoted loving wife and child for the thrill of shtuppin an eishes ish. not because there was anything lacking at home. he was in college and pretending he composed ich vill zain a rebbe for private use and she went along with him because she truly was a good wife. he betrayed her unbelievably, along with his child….

  • remember sholi mit payes March 22, 2012, 4:17 PM

    after 4 kids, where are her stretch marks?

  • Anonymous March 22, 2012, 5:08 PM

    Shmuely Boteach is an embarassment to orthodox jews. this is exactly the problem. instead of taking these people seriously, he brushes them off with “humor” and calls them anti-semitic. classic rabbinic tactics to try and “save the community’s face” but of course he only makes it worse … it was not a chillul hashem until he said those words.

    • Layzer Ahron March 27, 2012, 8:54 AM

      YES! He is a disgrace. He shameful self promotion at the expense of a bat yisrael.

  • perry fan March 22, 2012, 5:15 PM

    She never poses topless because after nursing four kids, nipples start to look like… Well you get my drift, gravity has its say.

  • Michaltastik March 22, 2012, 6:35 PM

    I think most of what she says is true and needs to be said, but her being a wannabe actress hurts the message. I get people trying to twist my arm into dating guys I don’t want, too. I”m 36, strong willed and these aren’t my parents and it’s stll a lot to keep turning people dowwwn. The don’t wanna take no foran answer. I don’t phu-cking want a guy 15 years older. I don’t wanna hear that he looks young. too bad. He should have thought of “I want kids” when he was younger. It’s not my problem.

  • MO from La Jolla March 23, 2012, 6:12 AM

    This women is completely selfish. Its all about “me, me, me”. She gets on a TV show looking for her 15 minutes of fame. Her ‘boyfriend” got on there to get his talking points in and blast the religion.
    I am sure that there is more to this story, especially given the fact we only get to here one side of it.
    She just once to get notoriety so she can get her modeling career off of the ground. Don’t be fooled by this drekt.

  • MO from La Jolla March 23, 2012, 6:13 AM


  • Kiruv Krises March 23, 2012, 3:13 PM

    Shmuley Boteach is talking about a theoretical Judaism. The fact is many communities do use arranges marriages to keep their children in the community. They are given no choice. Lack of secular education is also a form of control placed upon their children. Is Shmuley Boteach really pretending that he is not aware of arranged marriages?

  • zach March 24, 2012, 6:31 PM

    I won’t watch anything with Boteach the Clown.

  • elliot March 24, 2012, 7:00 PM

    With that annoying deep flatbush accent she will never make it anywhere in the acting world

  • geewiz March 24, 2012, 7:22 PM

    Even though she’s only 36 C, she sure know how to use ’em.

  • geewiz March 24, 2012, 7:24 PM

    She gives hope to every yugerman, that under the beige tights is a heise yiddishe momma who can strut her stuff and rock his world

  • WHAT?????? March 24, 2012, 10:09 PM

    Shauli: I was forced to get married when I was 17.

    Haha Shauli, are you outa your mind???
    Do you really think we’re that stupid?

    Don’t you think that between the tens of thousands of friends you got (…lol), no one would remember that you were learning in Tzans Yeshiva in Netanya when you were 17?
    What about your wedding, do you think we forgot that too?
    It wasn’t that long ago, and we do remember that you were 19 at that time!
    Did you really think that no one would speak up and expose your easily provable blunt lies?
    Shauli: It’s a known that if you leave the community you lose custody of your kids.

    What about your kid Shauli? You left the community did you lose custody?
    I honestly don’t assume that you would keep quite on national TV if your kid was taken away from you, and therefore conclude that custody was never taken away from you. What say you Shauli?

    And Perry? She’s the biggest joke I’ve ever seen!!!

    Common look at her, is she really that interested in her kids?
    Look into her face when she speaks about her (so called) pain, suffering and abuse. Did you see one tear falling?
    I didn’t!
    She doesn’t even try to fake it!
    If she was really going through a rough time, as she claims, do you think she could be this tough? Where did all the emotions go?

    As you can see, she’s living a party life, then why would she need kids on her head when all she’s interested now is her body?

    I believe that her intention with this entire custody deal and TV appearance is to get her name out and hope that some agent will have mercy on her and make use out of her 30 year old body. It’s all a marketing strategy!

    • Rabbi nachman March 24, 2012, 10:42 PM

      How true! I remember hanging out with shauli and he would compose songs for lipa Schmeltzer. He’s a huge liar. Oh, he should try to get rid of his accent bec as of now he sounds like a kid from willisberg

      • Fu@YEAHitsAcult March 29, 2012, 2:15 PM

        what a shocker– 17 or 19… big difference. Some idiots keep putting their foot in their mouth more and more… Most families are already looking at 17 but if they arent prime A schoira…. so they are passed up… and after his 8 month long engagement, finally got married at 19. wow!
        If I remember correctly, Shmuley announced a happy birthday onfacebook to his eldest daughter for her 19th birthday … to announce in the virtual world that his daughter is coming out and now on the shidduch market…. 17 or 19, yeah big difference…

  • Hit it March 24, 2012, 11:24 PM

    Part three is great! Boteach sounds like he wants to stick her real good! And when she asked about the kissing, they kissed right before the break.

  • soso March 25, 2012, 4:11 AM

    Well, actually Pearly did the right thing that few women dare do: she just ignored the fact that her ex withheld the get.

    • Yochanan March 25, 2012, 6:03 PM

      And what if she gets pregnant with a Shauli’s child? It will be a mamzer/mamzeret.

      I hope he has vasectomy or she gets her tubes tied.

  • true facts March 25, 2012, 10:01 AM

    this is not an arraigned marriage she had the right to say no i have many chasidic friends who said no to many girls till they found the right one
    a true arraigned marriage is like what the FLDS do a father comes to his 17 year old daughter and says you know joe the 50 father of your class mates well tomorrow your getting married to him no choice or recourse that is arraigned marriage

  • Yochanan March 25, 2012, 5:50 PM

    So far, I’ve watched 5:11 of the part 1. All I have to say is:

    Of course Rabbi Shmuli is gonna sound like that. He’s a native English speaker who bills himself as “America’s Rabbi”.

    What if they had brought on a thick-accented native Yiddish speaking Rabbi with long payos?

  • Yochanan March 25, 2012, 6:01 PM

    Rabbi Shmuli keeps on talking about how Judaism prohibits arranged marriages.

    I guess he’s never heard of Kiddushey Ketana or selling your daughter as a slave to a grown man that marries her when she’s 12.

  • Yochannon Tzvi March 25, 2012, 7:38 PM


    “I guess he’s never heard of Kiddushey Ketana or selling your daughter as a slave to a grown man that marries her when she’s 12.”

    That’s not arranged marriage, technically. Though the father can accept kinyan on behalf of the ketanah, it only works for eirusin. And more over, they can only use kesef or shtar for kiddushin. Technically speaking, in order to finalize the marriage there has to be chuppa. But, due to the ambiguity of what chuppa actually is, we assume yichidus to mean where we assume there is possibility for bi’ah (sex). However, the problem is that it’s considered a z’nus (improper relationship) for the man who’s marrying the katanah to have bi’ah with her after she accepted kiddushin, prior to chuppah. If she can’t accept bi’ah for kiddushin, kal vachomer she can’t accept chuppah since bi’ah can theoretically, according to some opinions, works for chuppah as well as kiddushin – although both are needed to be done seperatley. See the Maknah on the first gemara in kiddushin he brings down that opinion. I think it’s like daf daled or hey where it talks about boshes and p’gam. I need to look that up again, though. It’s been a while since I’ve learned it. I might not be 100% right about that but I think that’s how that sugyah went.

    As for selling her off, by the time she is 12 she’s generally considered a neirah and can choose to reject the kiddushin as well. When she becomes a neirah she can be m’ga’leh daas for kiddushin. The master can’t force his eved ivri to marry her regardless of if she’s a ketana or not. Go read the gemara again, I don’t think you understood it.

    • Yochanan March 27, 2012, 7:52 AM

      You translated some of the Hebrew/Aramaic terms, but not all. Can you be more thorough?

  • K March 25, 2012, 9:33 PM

    The girl obviously went through a difficult ordeal with a family that is probably extremely religious and took advantage of her. It’s possible that this ordeal was real just as she says it happened. But really, going on Dr. Phil? That is not the place to discuss such matters. I hope she’s found closure.

  • perry kicks! March 27, 2012, 11:51 AM

    I can understand why sholy grossman likes screwing with her, she’s sexy and available. What does she see in him? He’s a divorced loser, without a life. Unless he’s terrifically endowed, its a strange shidduch.

  • AC April 10, 2012, 12:04 AM

    How many times does Shmuley push his books? And how many lies does he spew to try to spin the Hareidi community as seeming more reasonable than it actually is?

  • Pereldina April 30, 2012, 4:53 AM

    To all who are critical, it is said that the greatest loss that can be suffered in this world is the loss of a child. Even the slightest chance of that occurrence can make a person overreact emotionally.
    I believe that Pearl had all intentions of responsibly raising her children. People search for many ways to escape their abusive lives, and she found an “out” where there was none. The operations mode of these communities is to threaten and actually take children away as a scary lesson to those who might want to leave their marriages. While no one said that living here is a “rose garden,” no one said that an arranged shidduch that causes misery has to be tolerated for a lifetime. Extending love and security to these women instead of threats and attacks would prove that only the abusers are to blame. And, it would send a clear message to some of these men that if they treat their wives like chattel instead of like queens, that THEY will be the ones to lose their children, their lifestyles, and the respect of everything they hold dear.
    Wake up —- the community has chased this woman out. NOBODY has the right to separate a loving mother from her children.
    When our actions in the name of the Creator show no chessed, that lack of mercy will revisit us at a most inopportune time.

  • Diana May 14, 2012, 7:24 AM

    sorry but

  • Diana May 14, 2012, 7:33 AM

    To: Pearlperry Reich

    My name is Diana. I am a bucharian jew from Russsia. I feel very bad that you went through so much abuse. However, why in the world would you put down the jewish nation, embarass and make us look like garbage. why go out to the public, Dr. phils show everywhere. If you were in so much pain while you were married-you would slowly get divirced and continue to be frum and modest.
    When I came from russia, we were thirsty to be jewish and religious and follow the torah way-the only way. Don’t get sucked in with media and all the filth out there. Do it for your kids, what kind of examle are you showing them. I am also 30 and have 4 kids and keep myself very modest for my children. You need to do teshuva for your self and your children.
    write to me if u dont agree

  • what a disgrace May 16, 2012, 7:41 AM

    shauly and pearlperry
    Why are u acting like this in public–you both are loosers and trying to show your sexual preferences out in the open. shame shame shame on u both. and you pearlperry why has sex with a man when u arent even divorced. are u a slut

  • tickedoff May 20, 2012, 6:38 PM

    She’s right, although inarticulate.
    Shmuely is talking theory, not practice.

  • David May 25, 2012, 1:18 PM

    she still sounds chassidc

  • David May 25, 2012, 1:19 PM

    she still sounds chassidic

  • Betsy R May 28, 2012, 8:33 PM

    I am a Southern Christians who has never knowingly been around any Orthodox Jews, so it’s really hard for me to relate to some of this. But Rabbi Boteach has a few screws loose.

    I discovered Pearlperry because I’d been researching Sarah Einfeld of Israel, who also left an arranged marriage. Lots of Jewish people say they were coerced into arranged marriages. And this rabbi saws Judaism doesn’t allow arranged marriage? The story Pearlperry tells is also similar to FLDS and Muslim women who were coerced into arranged marriages. The similarities give it the ring of truth.

    Anyway, young people in their late teens who were raised and indoctrinated in certain religions that stress religiously loyalty probably do not feel culturally and familiarly free to decline arranged marriages.

    Society has rules, cutoffs, laws, mores, whatever! Now the culture she left did not like her wearing pants! Would she have grounds for divorce if her husband were wearing a skirt?

    As for the rabbi, I hope he’s not naive to believe that each child needs a mother and a father. There are some mothers and fathers who should never be allowed contact with their children, and the law can step in, even when religious authorities won’t forbid the contact.

    There are a lot of people posting about Pearlpenny who say her house has lots of comings and goings and apparent libertine contact. How can this be proven? Was it proven in court?

  • Sarah December 18, 2012, 4:18 AM

    It’s such a shame how people non religious can pull others away from their holy roots! Shame how naive and innocent people fall into this trap who usually end up regretting their actions later on in life.

    From “one good religious girl proud of her Judaism”. My saying is “I had no money before I came into this world…. and I won’t leave with it when I go….But, I care more about how full my soul will be when I leave – and that is what means more to me than anything in this World!!!”

  • Anonymous March 28, 2013, 1:23 PM

    Pearlberry is a slut

  • Anonymous March 28, 2013, 1:24 PM

    Pearlberry may you roast in hell

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