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This is what happens when a father gets a shitty custody agreement. Tamar Epstein is a stupid bitch who is only giving the father Aaron Friedman Shabbat to see his daughter which is bull shit. The father can’t do anything with his daughter on just Shabbat when everything is prohibited.
Tamar Epstein is a little rat.
You’re lack of understanding of how the law works, or the basic details of human decency, are appalling.
Those people who are decent human beings and realize that emotional abuse is never acceptable, please sign this petition:
http://www.change.org/petitions/us-rep-for-the-4th-district-of-michigan-stand-up-against-abuse?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=own_wall#“
* is appalling
yeshiva edumications FTW. XD
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Where’s the petition for a Shabbat observant father being able to visit their child at a time other than 6pm on Fridays in a city three hours’ drive away? That’s not emotional abuse?
I sincerely hope you know anything about both parties prior to writing this. Because you are taking a woman who has gone beyond neccessity to let a father see his daughter. She’s holding out on him with his daughter? Then why doesn’t she stick to exact guidelines and tell aharon he can only have his daughter at the exact times starting on shabbat? If he wants to accommodate he gets her. What about the times he just didn’t show up? Or the fact that legal custody was already established by legal court?? He had an issue, he should have asked about it then. But he didn’t. And is it better he screw up his daughters life? If tamar was such a monster like you describe why hasn’t she told her daughter anything about this? Why doesn’t she smear aharons name in front if the child? Please rethink who’s the monster over here. And get the facts.
Because you are taking a woman who has gone beyond neccessity to let a father see his daughter.
roflmao LIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS she moved to a 3 hour commute from him assuming traffic is good. XD
Tamar, that you? XD
Someone who actually cares about tamar. And it’s nice how ur too busy on the floor to note anything else said.
I sincerely hope your not married if you think any reason is ok to abuse and control a person.
>> And it’s nice how ur too busy on the floor to note anything else said.
On the contrary, I’m more than happy to refute everything that you said.
Divorce courts almost always fuck over the men in custody battles and yet the men still has to pay. That’s point one. So in other words, bringing up the divorce court to suggest a fair custody agreement is meaningless.
Secondly, both as a male and as a human being, I am very troubled by Tamar’s supporters attacking Mr. Friedman’s character in public WITHOUT EVIDENCE. If you’re gonna attack the man’s character in public you gotta make the evidence public or it makes Tamar’s camp look bad. Very bad.
You, MH, friend of Tamar, has provided ZERO evidence that Friedman would screw up the daughter so it leaves a big opening that you said it with spiteful intent. It seems to me that all kids need a mother AND a father experience growing up.
And lastly with all the vitriol that Tamar’s supporters are spreading about Friedman, I find it difficult to believe that Tamar is keeping the daughter’s ears closed.
Now MH to address your personal attack against me, I am against the jewish divorce system. I believe that women should be able to divorce that’s how men are held accountable, but in a system where only the men can divorce if the woman plays dirty I’m ok with the man playing dirty also. Also, I work out and I’d expect my future wife to work out too. I listen to music that I like I’d expect my future wife to listen to music she likes. I have my own hobbies and I expect to have a few hobbies I share with my future wife and for her to have her own stuff she likes to do also.
Seriously MH? You’re going to accuse MEEEEEEEEE of being ok with abuse and control? As a final point, Friedman isn’t doing anything to Tamar, it’s her own community that’s not letting her remarry.
Im sorry you took it that I meant Aharon was screwing up his daughter. I didn’t mean that. I meant is it better that he holds out and makes this a messier situation, therefore putting his daughter in a position where when she does understand or find out – and I can guarantee the daughter does NOT know anything because her mother hasn’t dragged her in – she will have a harder time accepting him.
Also, note that people are not calling people names (generally, i cant speak for everyone but majority) in this ordeal. What people want is him to give a divorce. Who he is as a person is up to him. But withholding a ‘get’ as control to many says something in itself to many. That he brought on himself.
In terms of playing dirty, nobody needs to. Give the get and all is over. And no, its not the community not letting her remarry. Someone who has values sticks to them. This is important to her and him. He holds by it as well, otherwise he would have signed cuz who cares? Asking someone to give up beliefs is ridiculous. This matters and giving it up for her is not an option.
In terms of you, I am glad you have good values for marriage. So do majority of jews. What you described is exactly what I have in marriage, what most others do too. Divorce is a different issue. you may not agree with jewish divorce but fact is for whatever reasons and beliefs, Many jews follow it. Is the issue here against tamar or against jewish divorce?
Re: Secondly, both as a male and as a human being, I am very troubled by Tamar’s supporters attacking Mr. Friedman’s character in public WITHOUT EVIDENCE.
Hello!? Not giving a get is a sign of character. I concede that there are always two sides of the story when it comes to a marriage but that is not the case with giving a get.
I think both of them are behaving badly and not keep the needs of their child in mind. I heard that even the judge overseeing the civil divorce reprimanded both of them for their selfish behavior. They already got a civil divorce, so they should be now focusing on starting their new live. The visitation situation is clearly is unfair, but also he should give her a get. He gives her a get, then she is in a wrong.
Aaron Friedman is actually a very brave man to stand up for his right to be a father in the face of such a pathetic lack of objectivity.
No man has a right to withhold a get, for any reason, no matter how unfair the divorce agreements. He can continue to fight for a better custody arrangement, but to use the get as a weapon or negotiating tool is beyond despicable.
Any man who uses a get in such a way loses any right to sympathy and should be rejected by the entire Jewish community and deserves every bit of negative publicity.
But why? Why is “get” such a holy cow? Why is it different than any other leverage you might use?
I do hear an argument that society should want to eliminate all leverages other than settling your problems in court, so we should want it to be unacceptable.
But I simply don’t see how it is inherently different than any other leverage which you happen to have. So I’m just not capable of seeing the issue so black and white as you’d like it to be.
People also shouldn’t use the kids as leverage for money. That sounds a whole lot worse to me than using a get as leverage.
Keeping her from getting married is pretty severe.
leverage is leverage. The relevant question is not the type of leverage used, but what is being demanded. If the demands are fair, then I have a hard time criticizing.
If I point a gun at you and ask for your money, does it make a difference if I am threatening to kill you or to shoot your kneecaps? No, the relevant question is whether I am entitled to the money.
Keeping him from ever seeing his kid is also severe. Having your kid grow up without knowing you is no less reversible than going years without being able to marry.
i think it is because a women cannot withhold a get but a man can. He is therefore abusing his power.
She can withhold their child from him. That’s also an abuse of power, no?
She can but she doesn’t. She Moved away because she needed to for her own sanity and custody was settled that she has their daughter majority so she’s with her. She has accommodated and tried within reason. And within the case, he hasn’t been willing to compromise at all while she has tried.
Because withholding a get is using halakha to control a woman in a way it was never meant to be used. It is abusing our system of halakha and giving Judaism a bad name. True – every circumstance is difference, and it is possible that the other party did worse – but as a community we cannot allow something we hold on to so tightly as halakha get smeared by dirty tactics
I agree. Get withholding is definitely below the belt.
Right you are. Withholding the Get is just evil.
It’s hillarious and sad to watch jews defend Epfrankenstein that bitch woman over there despite the fact that she’s trying to steal the daughter away from the father.
Apparently, it’s more important to orthodox jews that their social engineering on the issue of divorce goes unchallenged than it is for the daughter to have a proper mother AND father experience growing up; and by social engineering I mean the give-a-get system which invites more abuse from the man and woman involved than an ordinary secular divorce would.
Aaron Friedman is not evil at all he’s the opposite of evil. Friedman is trying to be a father. Tamar Epfrankenstien is a greedy and spiteful little bitch a supporter of hers (with the username disillusioned) is on Failed Messiah trying to smear Friedman’s character without giving evidence aww we’re all supposed to take Epfrankenstein’s word for it because oh well she’s the woman right? She’s automatically innocent because she has a pair of boobs and a vagina?
You aren’t a very good troll.
Also, I’m going to hazard that you don’t know what “social engineering” means.
Wow both of your posts are a profound, articulate, and enlightening response to the issues at hand.
More words which you don’t seem to know the definition of.
Those people who are decent human beings and realize that emotional abuse is never acceptable, please sign this petition:
http://www.change.org/petitions/us-rep-for-the-4th-district-of-michigan-stand-up-against-abuse?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=own_wall#“
Where’s the petition for a Shabbat observant father being able to visit their child at a time other than 6pm on Fridays in a city three hours’ drive away? That’s not emotional abuse?
Shlomo, do your research. Google aharon friedman and agunah – there are a few dozen articles on the issue now. The visitation issue was resolved a while ago.
And if it really bothers you that she moved back to her parents and hometown, I cease feeling any need to respond to your comments.
Love the Pick-up line at 8:03
Let’s go to a bar and do a little mitzva action.
the smirk on his face was rather funny. Double the mitzvah and double the fun.
It is never ok for a man to withhold a get from his wife, no matter what she may have possibly have to deserve it. Any such guy is a complete a-hole.
No matter what? “Never” is a strong term.
So suppose she has lied to the court and gotten complete custody, and in fact, he knows that she is molesting the kids and invites her brother over and lets him rape their 8 year old daughter.
How about now?
Rabbi Herzfeld (the one leading the charge against Aharon Friedman) is an arrogant, narcissist who will do anything and attach himself to any cause, simply to get his name in the news.
Seruv orders instructs members of the community (And by community I mean the greater Washington, D.C. Jewish community!) to apply pressure (including embarrassment) to Aharon to assist in his willingness to give a get.
Rabbi Herzfeld has gone well past the appropriate response to the Seruv order and has turned a community issue into a National Embarrassment for Orthodoxy.
His uses of rhetoric, such as “terrorist” and “abuser” goes well beyond the appropriate actions of Persumei Chillul Hashem and creates a Chillul Hashem in itself?
We place community pressure upon people, not out of hatred but because we see an injustice that needs to be resolved.
Everyone tends to forget that once Aharon gives Tamar a Get, he is to be returned to a normal status within the community?
After this is all over and Tamar receives her Get, she will no longer be classified as an Agunah. The same cannot be said of Aharon; who will never return to a normal status within the community having been branded as a “terrorist” and “abuser” by people in constant need of a spotlight.
*Please forgive my accidental use of ?’s. As well as any other grammatical or typographical errors.
If he’s not willing to live with the consequences of his actions, then maybe he should think a little more about them beforehand.
In talmudic law, cherem was very extreme and, as described in the gemera, could changed peoples lives. That’s how reputations and beis din works.