Will the Ultra-Orthodox Be Forced To Join the Israeli Army?

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  • A. Nuran

    Gods below, I hope so. It’s about time they stopped being parasites, became productive members of society and took the same risks as everyone else.

    • Dan

      Your next post better be about how you served in the army yourself, at least in the American Army.

      I didn’t serve in the American Army. We have a system here where we pay poor people to fight for us. I wasn’t so poor, so I didn’t have to join. I essentially paid for someone else to fight in Iraq for me. Gee- I hope that IED didn’t hurt too bad, I think I read about it online or maybe saw a movie about it.

      • A. Nuran

        I signed up on my 18th birthday but was down-checked out on the physical.

        • A. Nuran

          Asthma and flat feet made you unfit for military service at the time. If I’d known that I would have lied to get in.

        • Dan

          Well then, I commend you for the internal consistency at least. But, I expect to see you writing the exact same vitriol about the 99% majority of your friends who didn’t try to serve in the army, and outsourced it to the african american community.

          • Mark
            • Dan

              You are correct, that says that it is a representative sample. (You could note though, that they also thought what I though, going in to the study.)

              My point is true anyway. It is still the people who don’t want to go paying other people to go.

      • A. Nuran

        These people are scum, pure and simple. In a country with universal conscription they don’t serve. They don’t work. They are professional bums who have made virtues out of ignorance, begging, oppression and fanatic religious violence. The only lesson they learned from the Czars, Stalin and the Nazis is that it’s more fun when they get to hold the whip.

        You can try to spin it some other way, but it won’t work. This is what their “lifestyle” is all about. It’s the greatest existential threat to the State of Israel and recognized as such by everyone from former heads of Mossad to the World Bank.

        Any decent society provides for those who can’t work or can’t find work, for the elderly, for children, the sick and a certain minimal standard of living for those who fall through the cracks. But these parasites are going to destroy Israel. They are breeding in litters, contribute nothing, demand everything and are turning the promise of a Jewish State into a second-rate Iran.

        To hell with them. Let them risk their lives for once and do useful work.

        • anon

          yet the Arabs have citizenship get benefits and work without army service. Do all Israelis get treated equally? no Leave Ultra orthodox alone. Ultra-orthodox jews were in Israel before the secular and commies came from Europe. They fled Europe to stop being persecuted by the Russians and the Poles. Now they get persecuted by the secular Israelis. They didn’t ask for the State of Israel to be formed. Be grateful that you live in the U.S.

          • anon

            There are many Ultra Orthodox who do work at the same time. Yeshivas and seminaries like Mir, Aish, Or somayach, etc. bring in so much revenue into the country. I can’t tell you but the fact is Hotels and restaurants are opened because of the many yeshivas in Israel. Yerushalayim was nothing 25 years ago. Not everyone is needed in the army. I saw many soldiers who looked like they had lots of time to kill.

  • Dan

    Nobody believes that they really want chareidim in the army. To the contrary, recent statements and actions show they are actually quite bothered by the amount of dati in the army-especially in elite units such as golani.

    Oh, and don’t think that your guys are safe either. YWN is reporting that the ruling struck down the hesder agreement as well.

    If they really wanted chareidim in the army and working, they would be trying to solve the reasons why chareidim don’t want to be in the army and hence are not allowed to work. You could be cynical and say they just want to sit home and do nothing, but if you don’t think there are also elements of not wanting to lose their religiosity, you are just being foolish.

    Intellectual honesty, people.

  • TheRealJoe

    I didn’t watch the clip, but this subject can be debated forever, my take in short. 1) the serious Meah Sharim Charadim WILL never join any form of Government services. 2) the Army, especially its secular kibutznik leadership, DOESN’T want Frum people in the army, in fact they are freaking out about the growing influence of the Hesder type soldiers. 3) the current situation is bad for Israel’s Religious,economic,security situation.

  • US Marine

    the Hareidim mafia leaders are in a panic that neshira will rule the roost once the boys see the real world.

    Send them back to Monsey, that’s my advice to Israelis.

  • http://www.kosherunicorn.com Yisroel H.

    Everyone here in Israel should have to serve in the army. Except me. Um… I have flatfoot. Seriously.

    Yisroel http://www.kosherunicorn.com