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Haredi ads claim internet causes cancer

I’m not feeling well enough to write satire honestly, but news like this couldn’t wait. Thanks to Gila who sent me the following piece from Ynet News, which really makes me wonder if these people aren’t crack. I completely understand the fear of the internet, the fear that many leaders have of losing control of their flocks once they educate themselves, the fear of pritzus and secular society is very warranted – but you can’t just go and make stuff up, that really makes these people “whoever they may be” look like morons and it bothers me that they haven’t just tried to embrace this thing rather than combat it. Eventually they will have to deal with the evil internet (insert scary sounds here)

Ari Galahar Ynet

The Internet causes drought and terminal disease so claims a new marketing campaign publicized in the ultra-Orthodox community and aims to curb use of the world wide web.

“Where there is Internet, there are no rains,” read one of the posters that were pasted in central haredi spots. “Let’s remove the foreign work from among us. Hundreds of thousands of cancer patients (suffer) because of the Internet.”

Fearing the community’s exposure to secular culture, different establishments within the haredi sector published the intimidating declarations, in addition to quotes from prominent rabbis – among them Rabbi Ovadia Yosef – that describe Internet use as the root of impurity.

“The connection to the Internet is an abomination, and the one who does it in his home brings abomination into his home,” Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv was quoted as saying.

“The Internet causes disease and all types of adversity. Since the creation of the world, there has never been invented a tool so dangerous and corrupting like it,” reportedly wrote Rabbi Shmuel Halevi Wosner.

The fear-inducing posters blame the inability of teenagers to study and the destruction of tens of thousands of homes on the web, and use gematria, which assigns numeric values to Hebrew letters, to prove that Internet equals cancer.

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  • Burnt Dreadlocks February 9, 2011, 4:04 PM

    ROY’s biggest problem with internet is, that you may be nichshal and say something like O*M*G (I had to type it like that to make sure it didnt get moderated as spam).

  • Dovid Dobin February 9, 2011, 4:26 PM

    So they’re using completely modern words with the just-right spellings and attributing value to their gematrias? Sounds totally legit to me.

    • Anonymous February 9, 2011, 5:00 PM

      Doyou know that if a modern day city is not spelled correctly on a Get, it is completely invalid?

      There are many seforim which discuss in depth the way to spell certain sounds in various languages. If you don’t like the idea of gematrios, that’s fine. But modern or not has nothing to do with it.

      • Yankel February 10, 2011, 11:06 AM

        Dovid Dobin February 9, 2011 at 5:43 PM

        “Gematria is a concept which only works on the foundation of the Torahs absolute perfection. Therefore it can not possibly be applied as halacha to modern inventions.”

        Uhhhh, what?

        Gematriya is based on the divinity and holiness of lashon ha’kodesh. The fact that the Torah is written in lashon ha’kodesh is a side point which has little to do with anything. In fact, it existed over 2000 years before the Torah was given. Adam ha’rishon spoke lashon ha’kodesh. Sefer Yetzirah was written by Avraham Avinu (acc to most opinions), and it’s all about the alef beis.

        G-d wrote the language, and he knows the future. If a word was destined to exist at any time in history, it was capable of being referred to in Lashon ha’kodesh at any relevant point in time.

        • Dovid Dobin February 10, 2011, 12:59 PM

          Is modern Hebrew necessarily considered Lashon Hakodesh? I’m pretty sure it’s not. Just because a newly invented word is transliterated to Hebrew does not give it divinity.

          • Yankel February 10, 2011, 1:49 PM

            It absolutely isn’t. Nevertheless “sartan” is a word which is used in common day speech, and is spelled in hebrew letters.

            I really don’t get what the big deal is. I hope there isn’t anyone out there who would disregard what the Rabbis are saying, but now that there’s a gematria will listen. The Rabbis themselves aren’t basing their statements on the numerical value of a sickness, and would say the same thing even if it didn’t add up.

            The gematria is there to catch your eye, that’s all. Did G-d mean to hint at things when he made LH? I don’t know, probably. Who really cares.

  • dbk February 9, 2011, 4:36 PM

    you can also read the sign as “the internet will give you crabs” – ie stds!!

  • A. Nuran February 9, 2011, 5:00 PM

    When your entire lifestyle is based on iron control over all aspects of life, limiting information and preventing unauthorized thoughts a whiff of freedom can be destructive.

    • rationalist frummie February 9, 2011, 5:28 PM

      Jewish lifestyle is not based on iron control at all. Halacha is seen as always changing and adapting. Such a statement is simply untrue

      • A. Nuran February 9, 2011, 6:09 PM

        I’m afraid it’s absolutely true. Every aspect of your life from thoughts to how you tie your shoes to the most intimate moments between husband and wife to the absolutely OCD food taboos and infinitely more is prescribed and proscribed on pain of death now and in the afterlife.

        While halacha changes it always demands absolute conformity. And the standards for relaxing any past arbitrary rabbinical restrictions are daunting. Heck, just the idea of rabbinical infallibility is a huge one for a free person to swallow.

        Freedom of thought? You’ve got to be kidding. Anything outside the very rigid confines of the acceptable are forbidden. Spending time on something besides family, money and Torah? Technically forbidden. Philosophy? Science? Friendships outside Judaism? Non-Jewish books?

        And that’s just the Law. Custom among the Haredi sects who have declared that packets carried by IP protocols is even more totalitarian. Since custom has the force of Divine Commandment there is no practical difference.

        • kissmeimshomer February 10, 2011, 7:43 PM

          You just said one of the most interesting things I’ve heard. “While halacha changes it always demands absolute conformity. ” Never even thought of that. Thanks. Food for thought.

          • Yankel February 12, 2011, 12:24 PM

            First of all, it doesn’t really change. Their applications sometimes vary in accordance with the situation.

            Secondly, if it wouldn’t always demand 100% adherence, it wouldn’t really be “Halacha” – which means “proper direction”.

      • A. Nuran February 9, 2011, 6:11 PM

        These may or may not be good things. That’s another discussion. But to say that Orthodox Judaism and Charedism are not based on strict controls over all aspects of a person’s life is to deny plain reality.

        • rationalist frummie February 9, 2011, 7:17 PM

          I can think whatever I want, Judaism leaves a lot of room for discussion and debate. That is what the mishna, gemara, and thousands of other rabbinic literature are for. Observance of rituals is demanded but there has always been healthy disagreement and machlakos k’shem shamayim since the birth of Judaism. If you are talking about the chumras and laws that chareidim hold, than that is different than what Judaism itself dictates

          • A. Nuran February 9, 2011, 7:21 PM

            Mmmm, nope again. You are required to believe a number of things according to Moses ben Maimon’s teachings currently considered Doctrine by normative Orthodoxy.

            • rationalist frummie February 9, 2011, 7:56 PM

              Just because I believe in the Rambam’s 13 statements doesn’t mean that I can’t question and search for answers. Having dogmatic belief does not eliminate trying to prove these beliefs or arguing about how halacha should be followed. I think the problem with you is that I see halacha as being related to God and thus it is justified and rational because God is perfect. Seeing halacha as merely a set of restrictions takes the joy out of it. I see the 613 mitzvos as 613 choices, not limitations. Thus, our attitudes are different from the start.

              • kissmeimshomer February 10, 2011, 7:46 PM

                Searching for answers is different to searching for the truth. You’re searching to justify, or validate if you will, your beliefs in certain precepts. Searching for truth would allow you to question the validity of those precepts and allow the answer to be found in an entirely different methodology.

            • rationalist frummie February 9, 2011, 7:59 PM

              First of all, just because I believe in Rambam’s 13 statements doesn’t mean I can’t try to search for answers and meaning. Also, I view mitzvos and halachos as choices, not limitations. The joy is choosing what is right and seeing how this impacts my life for the better. Thus, our attitudes towards halacha is different from the start making it impossible to argue.

              • Eli February 10, 2011, 10:35 AM

                In your “search for answers”, I suggest you explore all avenues and opinions, and not limit yourself to the books and ideas that are on the “approved list”. Ignore those who say that certain knowledge is dangerous. You may be surprised where you find the truth.

                • Yankel February 10, 2011, 11:41 AM

                  Your statement is limited to those who define “Truth” by what makes you feel good.

                  For anyone who’s being even remotely honest with himself, the books and opinions on the “unapproved” list belong there for good reason.

                  • Eli February 10, 2011, 12:20 PM

                    Not quite. A lot of what I now believe is the truth is painful: that there’s isn’t big Daddy in the sky that loves me and is watching over me, that my actions have cosmic repercussions, and that I’m going to live forever in the hereafter. I wish all of the above were true.
                    But it seems you would rather assume I believe in what I do because of some sexual desires of mine. I’m not going to bother trying to convince you otherwise.

                    • Yankel February 12, 2011, 12:50 PM

                      No, nothing to do with sexual desires. That’s primarily an adolescent way of thinking.

                      When I say “feel good” I’m not limiting the possibilities to physical pleasure. There can be a whole array of emotions (or lack thereof) which can cause one to turn away from Torah beliefs.

                      To address your statement directly, people are often suceptible to believing specifically that which is painful and depressing to them. For some reason or other, they are subconsciously attracted to (and find comfort in) that which makes them feel that hopelessness and nothingness is the truth.

                      I’m not diagnosing you with anything or making any assumptions.

                      I’m simply coming from a premise which says that people will think rationally, and will recognize that which is true, unless something about their control panel is causing them to look away and/or see things in a distorted image.

                      When I look at the craziness one is forced to go along with in order to get to certain beliefs, I can make no other conclusion. If you find this offensive, I am truly sorry. I am just stating what I see.

                    • Eli February 14, 2011, 7:35 AM

                      RE your comment on February 12, 2011 at 12:50 PM (The system doesn’t let me reply directly to your comment).
                      Thank you for your eloquent and civil argument.
                      You and I share the same feeling: “When I look at the craziness one is forced to go along with in order to get to certain beliefs…”, one has to assume that there’s emotional bias going on. The only difference is that I apply that to religious beliefs, while you apply it to the contrary. You may wish to entertain the idea that you are not biased – and that’s your prerogative, but consider this: why is it that the child of a religious Muslim is almost always a Muslim – and is 100% convinced that Mohammed is the true prophet; that the child of an Amish family generally follows and STRONGLY believes in it’s truth and that it’s the best way to live? You think the Christians don’t have “proofs” why their religion is true? I think you can figure out where I’m heading with this. (Of course this argument only applies to FFB folks, which consitutes a majority of Orthodoxy, but there are emotional and biological forces – which aren’t as powerful as chinuch aka indoctrination – to becoming religious as well)
                      P.S. My apologies for those who some here for humor and not heresy, I will try to stop now.

                    • Yankel February 14, 2011, 11:08 AM

                      When I look at the craziness one is forced to go along with in order to get to certain beliefs

                      I wasn’t referring to “Judaism” per se. My issue is with atheism. I will state without any reservation, that anyone who can believe or even consider that the universe came into being on it’s own – without anyone directing it, is thinking with emotions/preconcieved notions, for whatever reason.

                      The truth of Judaism is also pretty clear, but being that it is far more subtle, and philosophy as well as many more steps are necessary to come to it, one cannot be considered “Irrational” all because he isn’t convinced by it.

                      And as a side point, although in recent times the subject of “challenging Judaism and verifying it’s truth” has become rather unpopular, if you look at the works up until recently, there is an attitude of welcoming questions and challenges. Something totally unique to Judaism.

                      Almost across the board, the religions of the world demand faith as the first beginning premise, with the doctrine basing it’s own truth on that faith, with the only exception being Judaism.

                      This I think, is the significant factor which validates the superiority of Jewish “faith” over other “faiths” from a completely logical perspective.

                    • Eli February 15, 2011, 10:47 AM

                      And I will state without any reservation, that anyone who does not believe in evolution, is thinking with emotions/preconcieved notions, for whatever reason.

                      OK, well maybe in this case it’s because he / she has been so indoctrinated in general and ignorant of evolution in particular, that all he knows is what he Rebbe told him in second grade. I challenge you to read “Why Evolution is True” by Jerry Coyne, and not have your opinion changed. Of course this book – surprise! – not on the approved list.

                  • G*3 February 10, 2011, 12:50 PM

                    > Your statement is limited to those who define Truth by what makes you feel good.

                    You really should try not to be insulting. After all, the above can be applied to True Believers as easily as to non-believers.

                    > For anyone whos being even remotely honest with himself, the books and opinions on the unapproved list belong there for good reason.

                    Of course theyre there for a good reason: if one reads them, he might conclude the Judaism isnt the Truth after all, and we cant have that.

                    From the point of view of those banning books, whether or not the banned books are right is irrelevant.

                    • Aliza T February 16, 2011, 6:16 PM

                      I have taken courses in philosophy and have a degree in psych, you should all know that there is no proof to either side. And if you grow up religious you tend to believe if not then not. Due to the lack of conclusive evidence on either side (particularly for the religious sides) you really can’t convince anyone either way.

                    • Yankel February 17, 2011, 12:26 AM

                      G3,

                      Sorry for being insulting, but you are the most “emunah pshuta” type of them all. Sure I’m convinced that you really believe this cr@p, but only because you decided to. All the “logic” – absurd and otherwise – came afterwards.

                      Aliza T,

                      A degree really just means that you’re fluent in someone else’s opinion. The people who wrote the books were just as confused and mistaken as anyone else.

                      The term “Conclusive evidence” you used, is completely subjective. There is conclusive evidence of a higher being. The fact that many people throughout history were stubborn and refused to “conclude” with it, doesn’t make it “inconclusive”.

                      Technically, there is absolutely nothing in existence that one can “prove” to the point that another person can’t deny it and refuse to believe it. Even if the denial is absurd – there is always a theoretical possibility.

                      You’re absolutely correct that nobody can be convinced, but you forgot to add “against their will”. Even if they are given legitimate grounds to see things differently, they can still keep throwing hypothetical giberish in an attempt to keep to their comfort zone.

                      Like I said, this is really all about emotions.

            • BiggestFish February 9, 2011, 9:52 PM

              You are trying to justify your leaving Judaism and marrying a goy by stating that our “rituals” as you call them are outdated and restrictive.
              I would not even think about your nonsensical arguments as you are biased and trying to justify yourself and your own actions and choices.

              • gramps February 9, 2011, 9:57 PM

                @biggestfish
                …like you never synthesize happiness.
                If you don’t, I’m quote sorry for you. It’s one of my favorite things.

                • gramps February 10, 2011, 7:35 AM

                  oops! i meant “quite” sorry for you.

                  • BiggestFish February 14, 2011, 11:00 AM

                    What is “synthesize happiness”?
                    How is that relevant to listening to people who marry goyim and bash Judaism?

    • talking stam February 9, 2011, 10:05 PM

      part one of your post i agree with – an orthodox jew must maintain control of all his actions and even thoughts. part two of your post i don’t agree with, preventing freedom of thought is not part of judaism. many chareidim have made it part of their lives, but it is a misuse of the torah. following the torah shebal peh and torah shebechtav perfectly does include a tramendous amount of self control. however, it should be inspired and not imposed. rabbi’s banning the internet is not judaism since that is imposed control. restriction yourself from going to “unholy” sites is judaism.
      it sounds from your post that you have animosity towards orthodoxy in general. however, i still think it’s important for you to recognize the difference between someone choosing to follow the torah to the letter of the law, and a “rabbi” imposing his interpertation (chumra) on his followers.

      • A. Nuran February 9, 2011, 10:49 PM

        That is why I was talking about Charedism. Not all forms of Judaism exalt slavery and blind obedience over freedom. Charedism does.

      • A. Nuran February 10, 2011, 4:18 AM

        And consider how you’re contradicting yourself. On one hand you talk about how you have to constantly guard and discipline your thoughts, presumably so that they don’t go down sinful tracks. Then you say you have freedom of thought.

        • Yankel February 10, 2011, 12:00 PM

          Nuran,

          A child absolutely does not have “freedom”. His parents don’t let him run into the street. They don’t give him nosh and sweets indiscriminately. They don’t let him skip school.

          Once he matures and becomes a more developed thinker, he understands that his “freedom” would have been his death and eternal prison.

          You’re so obsessed with maintaining your own views, that you disregard the one who gives you instruction, regardless of the fact that he is Infinite and ultimately knows what’s best for you, and desires it for you infinitely more than any good you desire for yourself.

          Freedom is not always a good thing. Get past that point and you’ll see that the world is a lot bigger than you thought, and that your mind is a far more incapable than you were aware of.

          Judaism doesn’t come in more than one form. If you’re given a road to take, and you don’t follow the directions so as not to be “Confined” and “limited” and “restricted”, you might not be all those things, but you absolutely won’t get anywhere near the destination either.

          What this all comes down to, is your disagreeing with G-d about how His religion should be. I don’t either know why he wanted it this way. Sure it makes questions arise. But so what?

          He’s G-d.
          If it’s from him – it’s perfect. Even if it seems not that way.

  • Abijah February 9, 2011, 5:15 PM

    It is the wifi signals that cause cancer. Even then it only happens if you hold it up to your head like a cell phone.

    • BiggestFish February 9, 2011, 9:53 PM

      Lol thats true! I was thinking that. Thing is I agree with the statement that internet use affects study habits. Does anyone else agree?

      • x February 10, 2011, 5:31 AM

        I DO!!!! 🙁

      • Lirehagi February 10, 2011, 2:10 PM

        Before every test or assignment, there are massive facebook groups “I hate finals!”, “hate regents so much”, “midterms suck”, etc. Then there’s the statuses and everyone trying to see who hates it the most

        then there’s the breaks once you get down to studying. If you plan to spend 15 minutes online, you spend way more time than you planned

  • Dovid Dobin February 9, 2011, 5:43 PM

    Gematria is a concept which only works on the foundation of the Torah’s absolute perfection. Therefore it can not possibly be applied as halacha to modern inventions.

  • Dovid Dobin February 9, 2011, 5:43 PM

    For some reason it wouldn’t let me post that ^ in reply to the reply to my earlier comment.

    • Yankel February 10, 2011, 12:02 PM

      I posted my reply up top.

  • Ish_elokim February 9, 2011, 6:30 PM

    FYI, these posters about the Internet have been around for a long time-at least 3months ago. It’s nothing new

  • KRL February 9, 2011, 7:05 PM

    I believe it. After all, the most recent statistics show that 96% of all cancer patients since 2000 have used the internet at least once. Contrast that with the relatively low incidence of cancer in 1900, back when the evils of technology were far fewer and there was no internet at all. Ahh, the good old days…

    • QCoverage February 9, 2011, 7:38 PM

      thats a ridiculous statistic to quote – most people use the internet therefore it is probable that some of those people have cancer and that most of those people have used the internet at least once. in 1900 cancer and many diseases were not as well documented. while cancer maybe more prevalent now there is absolutely no indication that the internet is at all related. in those days a person’s life expectancy was much lower than that of modern times – according to you that would imply the opposite of what you are trying to argue.

      • Lucie February 9, 2011, 8:04 PM

        1) most people use the internet therefore it is probable that some of those people have cancer and that most of those people have used the internet at least once.
        most of the world lives in developing countries with spotty (at best) internet access.
        2) in 1900 cancer and many diseases were not as well documented.
        this is simply false.
        3) in those days a persons life expectancy was much lower than that of modern times according to you that would imply the opposite of what you are trying to argue.
        actually, once an American survived past infancy in 1900, his life expectancy was barely lower than a modern American. Since cancer rarely strikes infants, changing rates of infant mortality should have a negligible effect on cancer rates of the above- 3 years old population.

        This leaves only one culprit- the internet.

        • Anonymous February 9, 2011, 10:39 PM

          Sorry to ruin the party but the statement linking the internet to cancer was OBVIOUSLY saying the aveiros resulting from internet usage leads Hashem to inflict more illnesses (cancer) on Klal Yisroel.. Not that the waves or computer screen gives u cancer…

    • A. Nuran February 10, 2011, 4:16 AM

      Good Lord, have you heard the term “not even wrong”? If this is a spoof I apologize in advance. It’s a pretty good one.

      First, I’m willing to be that you know diddly about morbidity statistics from any period in history, let alone the late 19th century. But you want to believe that these gray-bearded buffoons are right, so you pull a complete fabrication out of your hat.

      Second, what do you mean by “used the Internet”? Do you have any idea what that actually means? And did you know that moonlight causes herpes? 99% of everyone who has herpes has seen the moon.

      Third, do you know why people die more of heart disease, diabetes, cancer and old age now? Is it because technology mysteriously makes people catch these? No. It’s because we don’t die younger of tuberculosis, sudden infections, smallpox, diphtheria and cholera any longer. And we have more food with yummy stuff like fat and sugar which we stuff into bodies that are adapted to be hunter-gatherers on the Savannah.

      And how do you account for the rise in affluence diseases before the Internet?

      • KRL February 10, 2011, 7:44 AM

        “And how do you account for the rise in affluence diseases before the Internet?”

        Well that’s easy. Technology has been growing worse and worse and becoming more anti-Torah ever since the Enlightenment. The invention of the phone was bad for Torah, bad for life expectancy. Same for fax machines, television, radios, walkmen, starting with the telegraph, morse code, and the phonograph. The list could go on and on…
        The internet is merely the newest and most vile manifestation of technology’s encroachment upon a true Torah lifestyle.

        “used the internet” means have been online. do you need clarification for that phrase as well?

        Those statistics were factual, not fabricated. Feel free to look any of them up.

        • A. Nuran February 10, 2011, 12:22 PM

          That would explain why life expectancy has been going down since the invention of the printing press, the telegraph, the telephone and TV. Nice try but only 3/10.

          And yes, please explain to me what the Internet means. Technically. From the physical link layer on up the stack. Pull out Gemara and Kabbalah and Tanach and tell me whether it’s the frame buffer, the headers, TCP or packet switching that is responsible.

        • kissmeimshomer February 10, 2011, 7:52 PM

          You’re scaring me. I never realized the world whence which I came from had people who were SO delusional and unstable. Thanks for that.

          • Yankel February 17, 2011, 12:41 AM

            My friend, which world doesn’t?

    • Heshy Fried February 10, 2011, 12:14 PM

      awesome

  • rationalist frummie February 9, 2011, 7:52 PM

    you do realize he’s joking

    • Yankel February 12, 2011, 12:51 PM

      I thought so too, fraid he’s not though.

  • Scribbling Citychick February 9, 2011, 8:43 PM

    that’s kinda sick…

  • John February 10, 2011, 5:13 AM

    Great point, those Rabbis are really silly who just want to control everybody anjd prevent tham from getting educated. It’s not like there is any kefira out there and certainly no pritzus (I vaguely recall recently seeing a 200 something list of terms used by obviously frum people in their quest for the unavailable p0r n, but I cant remeber where)
    Thank you for your shrewd (funny?) analysis

    • G*3 February 10, 2011, 1:00 PM

      Of course the rabbonim have real concerns. The question is 1) is banning the internet the best way to go, and 2) are the things theyre concerned about really that bad?

      If Judaism is, as they believe, unassailably true, then reading kefirah is at worst a waste of time. You can just go to the nearest Rav, and hell easily explain to you why the kefiradike article is all wrong.

      Pritzus is a tougher one, because its spiritual damage they fear, not anything practical.

  • Avrumy February 10, 2011, 8:09 AM

    Internet shminternet.
    Many lives have been saved thanks to the Internet. People can research their symptoms, diseases, treatments and medical facilities in order to live longer.

  • peretz February 10, 2011, 8:56 AM

    For those who think that the net,or any technology is the main source of temptation,think again. Look at the Nach.

    Idol worship was a constant problem in our history,and so was looking at the ladies,Jewish and otherwise. I asked once why they fell so quickly after the midbar,getting into all those problems. I was told that these are ` teefeh zachen`,not for us common folks to understand.

    Huh. It`s more likely that we are always in the middle of another society, one that has a lot to offer,and we always wanted to fit in. Thinking of some golden age ,when we all kept the 613 mitzvahs,plus all the new takanahs that came up- did they have news letters,or email in the second bais hamikdosh ?-is probably not realistic.

    In other words,if it ain`t one thing,it`s another.

  • peretz February 10, 2011, 9:43 AM

    One last comment I really respect the rabbonim,who try to keep us on the derech. It`s just I wish they could find five minutes each month to leave us alone.

  • Leftover Cholent February 10, 2011, 9:54 AM

    The Chareidim also believe the clothing now needs a hechsher, so what’s your point?

    I heard that some clothing will be OU-dairy, and some will just be plain OU. White shirts and suits will be Cholov Stam.

  • Anonymous February 10, 2011, 6:22 PM

    Do the rabbis watch porn. I would assume that most of the people reading this blog know firsthand much explicit free and easily obtainable porn is on the Internet. When hearing the rabbis go this crazy about it, it makes sense. The Internet has a lot of dangers and a lot of porn and if they think that is bad for the community then they are right in at least trying to get people to stop. I feel like they must have seen online porn to now how bad it is and that there is no way they would go that crazy if they didn’t know about it. I mean even if the rabbis don’t actually watch the porn themselves, how does it actually work? Do their assistants tell them that they watched the porn and that it is really bad? Even if people that were coming to them for addiction help wouldn’t be able to give close to a picture of what is really available.

  • Yoreh K'chetz February 10, 2011, 7:14 PM

    I’m seeing these internet bans showing up everywhere. Ironic to also get tons of email soliciting donations from the same yeshivas and rabbis that signed the bans… In other words, don’t use it unless you need it to send us $$$. Makes them look real credible.

    I earn my living online. Besides providing my living bringing up a frum family in a kosher home, paying yeshiva tuition, etc, it also allows me to have a flexible schedule so I can go to shul 3 times a day, take breaks to learn duirng the day, and come home to learn with my kids on time. Any Rabbi against this can roll his smicha into a fat one and smoke it.

  • ish_elokim February 11, 2011, 11:19 AM

    there is a old pun about your computer being subjected to getting aveiros/a virus if you go on the internet, it can be very catchy, both in ruchnious and gashmious

    also (just throwing this in-don’t jump me)I’ve heard that stam staring at a screen for long periods of time can cause damage to your eyes (maybe even fry your brains), so those who are on the internet know that if they didn’t have internet they wouldn’t spend so much time on the computer/by the screen, and therefore internet does cause (besides for ruchniousdiga a.k.a. p(opc)orn[fattening] -)gashmiousdiga damage

  • Aliza T February 16, 2011, 6:22 PM

    Oh the good old 1400s before the Internet when we were all so healthy and life expectancy was so high

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