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Bais Yaakov expels 9 girls for using non-kosher cell phones

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BJJ is known as the top seminary, what this means is beyond me, but in the frum world, girls who go to the top seminaries get the top shidduchim. I always found seminary to be a little hypocritical considering the fact that women aren’t supposed to learn torah, if this is the case, what exactly are these girls doing in a seminary and what exactly makes it a top seminary.

I always imagined BJJ was a joke for something to do with BJ’s, but what did the J at the end stand for? Maybe it was BJ in Jerusalem, like a Mihclelet Esther (aka m0lestor esther, not because the rabbis have are convicted of molestation, but because the girls like to be molested by yeshiva students of Niveh, Ner Jake (now closed) and Kesher) competition. But, alas I found out this morning from Jameel who wrote about the story that BJJ actually stands for B’nos Yaakov Yerushalyim and I always found it strange that all of these girls schools are named after the daughters of yaakov, I read The Red Tent so I have higher views now, but when I was all about what the chumash said – I never thought girls schools would want to be associated with Dinah, the first girl to break a shidduch and then have the town slaughtered because of the broken shidduch, last time I checked, rape and late in life bris milah didn’t exactly raise the shidduch market value of someone.

I bet BJJ isn’t too happy that their reputation is tarnished now, apparently 9 girls have been expelled for having non-kosher phones. What is a non-kosher phone you may ask? Why wouldn’t a school of such a high caliber with girls who obviously have the highest aspirations have to regulate cell phones, as if those girls were on such a low madreiga as to download porn during their shalom bayis classes?

Well a non-kosher cell phone can send text messages and since the frum community hasn’t been able to regulate cell phones, my old man says that back in the day phones were looked down upon because it made it easy to tell loshon horah. Why text messages are non-kosher is beyond me, in fact, sexting (cyber sex text messaging) kind of blows (I don’t text so I have never sexted) and talking dirty over the phone is so much better than 2 inch screen erotica – can you imagine – “o i cnt wte to c ur hot bd” exactly, it makes no sense and “cum” is used in shorthand even when people aren’t talking about the milchig stuff, so it would all get lost in translation.

So here’s how it went down, one girl got a message about her friend being engaged, it was so hot and steamy that she sent it to a bunch of other friends, the teacher caught the girls and kicked them out. The terrible thing about the situation is that it’s stupid and it shows how stupid the frum world is, but they have standards you may say – stupid standards, but standards nevertheless and hence we have another reason why these girls may chose to leave the path.

Imagine being a young girl about to go out to get married and your propsective mother in law (shvigger in yiddish, I love the word) finds out that you were thrown out of school, it doesn’t matter what for, because that’s a tarnish anyway and when they consider wearing red nailpolish a tarnish, I can imagine what they view using a non-kosher cell phone as. Now imagine you are old (age 22) and the last single girl in your class (wait you were thrown out) isn’t this high time for you to take a look at your communities harsh treatment of you and realize you want nothing to do with it.

Notes: This happened in the 12th grade, I have no idea if it’s affiliated with the seminary, but both schools have the same name so who cares. 12th graders graduate and go on shidduchim too and I still wonder what they are teaching since girls are forbidden from learning Torah.

Found about the story on Dov Bear

This pashkevil was posted by The Muquata


  • http://evolvingjew.blogspot.com Philo

    I always found seminary to be a little hypocritical considering the fact that women aren’t supposed to learn torah, if this is the case, what exactly are these girls doing in a seminary and what exactly makes it a top seminary.

    They’re being trained to be kollel wives, I think.

    • http://www.frumsatire.net Heshy Fried

      As long as they don’t learn torah it’s fine

      • red

        Seminary is like the jewish version of college – classes include “kugel 101″ “how to dress bad but still turn on your husband”and “the joy of barefoot pregnancies”
        When you’ve accumulated enough credits you eventually get your MRS degree
        (this info is all second hand – from reliable sources – for i chose to get married instead of wasting a year fooling around in Israel)

        • oy gevalt

          You think its a joke but we really did have a class in shana bet about raising children. Totally ridiculous since we still were children

  • Yserbius the Yekke

    Kosher Phoners

    The whole kosher phone thing was a scam from the beginning. If I remember correctly it was started when a few enterprising Israeli Belzers showed their rebbe a full Web browser on a mobile phone. They then told him about an amazing idea that they had to sell phones that have no capabilities. The rebbe gave a hechsher to their and only their phone company. Advertising came in the form of clever petchkvillim. They basically invented and cornered the market on kosher phones in one fell swoop.

  • Dovybear

    I’ve always been a bit puzzled about why texting is ossur – you can’t text a girl unless you have her number, so how did you get her number? If you asked her, well you seem to be the kind of guy that doesn’t minded a bit of the old shmooz around, so you’ll probably ring her too. And if you didn’t ask her, well, we’d better not go there…

    • Yserbius the Yekke

      But what if you accidentally text what you thought was your friend, but was actually your sisters friend who your sister had called before which is why her number is still in your phone!?! And what if she responds?! And what if the two of you decide to go out for pizza?!? Do you have any idea what you are being nichshol all of these taahareh yidden to?

      • Anonymous

        You from reddit by any chance?

        • Yserbius the Yekke

          Same guy!

    • John

      Great news! I’m here to answer the question that’s always been puzzling you. They are against texting becasue it they feel it removes inhibitions, it takes a lot more guts to call a girl and try a pickup line than it does to text it. And for girls who guys may know, it is easier to text something provacative or risque than it is to call and say it.
      (Too be clear, i think all this is nuts, just thought i’d help you out.)

      • Dovybear

        Thanks for not answering the question… How did he get her number in the first place?

        • John

          my bad I thought you had that figured out here are two possibilites:
          either by asking her
          or more commonly by getting a number from someone who got it from someone who stole his sister’s phone etc
          youre welcome

          • Dovybear

            Like I said – if he asked her, presumably the two of them are quite open to direct vocal contact. And if he didn’t, then he’s technically stalking her…

            • John

              Even if they are open to direct vocal contract, there are some things a yeshiva guy wouldnt have the guts to say in person but would easily text.
              If he is stalking i’m not sure why that would be LESS of a reason for yeshivas to ban texts, all the more should texts be banned.
              again, i think its crazy, but i understand where they are coming from, i hope now you do to.

      • Batsheva

        John, This is a good answer, but doesn’t go far enough. I was just reading an article (secular) on the subject of texting today, and the real issue with it is the privacy factor. If someone is talking on a phone, the chances are good that if they are speaking loudly and clearly enough to be heard on the other end, they are also speaking loudly and clearly enough to be heard by someone on their end–any adult passing by. But if someone is texting, they can be saying anything to anyone, and nobody knows what they’re saying except for the person receiving the text. I could see that being a HUGE issue in a frum school. The secular article I was reading likened texting in front of people to whispering in front of people. It is equally rude for the exact same reasons.

        BTW, To those who say that girls are forbidden from learning Torah, you may want to read this: http://www.nishmat.net/article.php/id/7

    • http://kissmeimshomer.wordpress.com kissmeimshomer

      true dat…but apparently they say that you can “say things” to a girl through text that you wont say to her face or on the phone…i say that person should grow some balls…

  • http://righteousrasha.blogspot.com Tova

    Heshy, how’d you get a picture of girls from my high school? They didn’t go to BJJ, either.

    • Gordon Davidescu

      Most likely Google Image Search.

    • Yserbius the Yekke

      Your high school? I don’t see any of them wearing pants ;)

      • http://righteousrasha.blogspot.com Tova

        Yes, my high school.

        If you knew as much as you think you do, you’d know that I not only wear Levis but also attended Bais Yaakov.

    • http://www.frumsatire.net Heshy Fried

      I google bais yaakov and that came up – ALL of my pictures come from google images or email.

  • Whaaaat?

    Did you ask those girls if you can post their picture?

    There is a legal issue there.

    • http://www.frumsatire.net Heshy Fried

      Good thing it’s on google images.

  • me

    So the religious world still makes no sense… I thought it was bad when my Rabbi told me I was going to hell when I was 9. Good to know I haven’t missed much.

  • Esther

    Pardon my ignorance (and sarcasm), but doesn’t the word “kosher” refer to FOOD?! What’s that got to do with cell phones??????

    N allz i can say, Hesh, is if u r not txtng n sxtng, well u r MISSIN’ OUT dude!!!! Dotcha worry bout anything gettin’ lost in translation… When two people are comfortable enough for sexting in the first place, chance are they speak the same language (figuratively speaking, of course).

  • Hannahbanana

    Thank goodness they’ve been caught!! I can FINALLY sleep easy at night, knowing that those phone-carrying hooligans have been thrown out! I would send my father a text to let him know, but…. ;)

    • anonymous

      hooligans…good word! SAT Shkoyach!

      I don’t know if one can really be more ballsy when writing text than on the phone. Like, I wouldn’t ask you what you’re wearing right now and then tell you to come over for a quickie and then some Zomick’s meltaway before Schachris. Oh, I guess it does take a little of the inhibition away, specifically being ballsy enough to suggest eating before Schachris:) Layla tov Metukah!

      -‘nonimus Jeezy

      • Hannahbanana

        Well, since you’re not asking, I won’t have to text you back to say that the chocolate bobka is my favorite.

        U no, 4 the stf we do aftr schchrt.

  • Anonymous

    BJJ is a hype, even my uber frum friends who went there say they went there just because it looks good on a resume (not the work kind). I hate them all…it is a year of brain-washing

  • concerned parent

    What I want to know is did the parents get their paid-in-advance tuition back????

  • Tikvah

    The whole kosher phone thing was just a way for a few enterprising haredi jews to make some money. Crazy thing is – the kosher phones have a number that starts with 7 – at least on cellcom. That way when you give your phone number out people know just how frum you are based on that alone.

    • http://www.frumsatire.net Heshy Fried

      That’s true with regards to most things kosher, like laundry detergent and toilet cleaner

    • http://kissmeimshomer.wordpress.com kissmeimshomer

      i had one of those there…

  • http://jewishdepression.blogspot.com offthedwannab

    It’s sad that this is seen as the best we have to offer. It’s plain scary that the more I seem to learn about established, accepted institutions, the more I think it’s the blind leading the blind.

    Where are these mechanchim being pumped out of? Why can we produce so few decent educators? Are the standards too low? Too few applicants? Is it the pathetic salary that can’t cover a college education after a long yeshivah education for the would-be Rebbeim and Morros so they have no modern educational background?

    This whole system needs an overhaul imo.

  • Izzy

    The school in question, AKA Bais Yaakov Hayashan, is the oldest high school in Israel for Israeli charedi girls, and has nothing to do with BJJ, the seminary for American girls, other than the fact that they are located in the same city. I would be surprised if there is anybody that attended both schools. BJJ, which does cater to primarily charedi girls, does have an interesting mix of alumni, many of whom went on to attend Ivy League colleges, and other prestigious colleges and universities. Fun fact: Rebbetzin David, th head of BJJ, who is Rab Hutner’s daughter, has a PHD in philosophy from Columbia.

    • http://www.frumsatire.net Heshy Fried

      That’s weird, maybe she hung out with Rav Ahrons sister who was a mathematics professor

      • Izzy

        It’s not that weird, considering the fact that her father, Rab Hutner (renowned rosh hayeshiva of Chaim Berlin), studied philosophy at University of Berlin.

  • http://kissmeimshomer.wordpress.com kissmeimshomer

    awesome closing line “isn’t this high time for you to take a look at your communities harsh treatment of you and realize you want nothing to do with it.”
    an btw we can tell u dont text…nobody texts that short hand. most ppl already have unlimited texting and dont hafta spell body “bd”…

  • http://onthefringe_jewishblog.blogspot.com/ Shira Salamone

    “considering the fact that women aren’t supposed to learn torah”

    That’s a *fact*?! Just how right-wing are you, that you’d rather hug trees than hang out with a gal who studies Gemara?

    • http://www.frumsatire.net Heshy Fried

      You do realized I was screwing around right?

      They don’t get a mitzvah to learn, according to most sources, but that doesn;t mean they shouldn’t learn.

  • http://onthefringe_jewishblog.blogspot.com/ Shira Salamone

    Oy. Sorry. Sometimes sarcasm goes over my head.

  • WACKY MAC & CHOCOLATE PIZZA

    You wrote, ” as if those girls were on such a low madreiga as to download porn during their shalom bayis classes?”

    Porn is only a problem for men.

    I never asked about women who are lesbians, though.

  • WACKY MAC & CHOCOLATE PIZZA

    [ as if those girls were on such a low madreiga as to download p*rn during their shalom bayis classes?]

    Since when is p*rn a problem for women?

  • Back From Israel

    So kick me if I’m raining on everyone’s parade, but …..

    First of all “I always found seminary to be a little hypocritical considering the fact that women aren’t supposed to learn Torah, if this is the case, what exactly are these girls doing in a seminary”
    The question of if girls can learn Torah is long and complex, but they actually can! (if they couldn’t we would have to scrap the whole Bais Yaakov system too, not just the seminaries.) In fact the Chofetz Chayim gave his stamp of approval to the Bais Yaakov movement, if the concept of girls learning Torah was inherently contradictory then he never would have, (and note that there was opposition by other Rabbis at the time, but Gadol Hador wins out…) In short, women can learn Torah, for a purpose. Men learn it just for the sake of learning it, women learn it to get somewhere -either know the halacha, or to get a hashkafic perspective on something, or personal and spiritual development, and the such. Girls mainly go to Israel for the year for the last one. At least that’s why I went. I spent the best year of my life in Seminary, in fact, I just went to Israel to visit my little sister who is in the very same seminary that I went to.
    That being said. Our job in this world is personal development, we have to grow and develop into better people than we were before and keep on working on ourselves till the day we die (goes for both men and women) you don’t need to go to Israel, or even to seminary to do that, and the expectation that every girl must go or there is something wrong with them, is perhaps a bit extreme, but every sector of Jewish society has norms and behaviors that they conciser well, normal and these expectations are just as unresonable in the modern orthodox world as they are in the ultra-orthodox world, and in the conservative world and the reform world and the daati-leumi world, and so on and so forth. So we’re all sitting here on our high hunkers making fun of the orthodox world for having their own standards of behavior and expectations that are perhaps unreasonable, but we do the same thing too.
    First rule of criticism: (I learned this in High-school, so don’t say anything about brainwashed seminary girls…)Don’t criticize someone in an area that you yourself are not perfect in, because then they can call you a hypocrite. (don’t ask me to source it. I forgot, but one of the lovely men who are ‘allowed’ to learn Torah can look it up if they want to.)

    One last point- I didn’t go to a Bais Yaakov seminary, and I’ve been back for a while, so I’ve had plenty of time to “come back down to earth.”

    Best of wishes all.
    May we live to see the end of Sinas Chinam (Baseless hatred) soon!
    :)
    A proud former Sem girl

  • Anonymous

    you guys are all dumb.

  • Confused Jew

    The idiocy of religion knows no bounds.

  • withheld

    this story isn’t true no one got kicked out of BJJ for having a not kosher phone– my sister went to BJJ and Reb. David told them its not true.

  • Yosef

    Girls aren’t allowed to learn to torah? What kind of horseshit is that? I know, the smelly kind.

    Girls must learn torah, otherwise how would they know the commandments they’re required to fulfill? It’s Gemara in depth that is advised against.

  • settintherecordstr8

    u ppl r all so stupid. go get a life and stop bashin a system that’s obviously 2 superior 4 u. if u’re bored, some personal introspection would be a lot more beneficial 4 both u and society. sittin and mudslinging at rumors that u have no clue r true is beyond senseless. and btw, just keep in mind that u have absolutely no idea what the full picture is. only an idiotic bitch would waste his/her life sitting and posting useless and fluffygarbage.

  • http://frumsatire.net sick of all u idiots

    give me a break! u ppl sound dead bored. maybe get a job. that’ll help both u and us. and when u look back in a few decades in the nursing home at ur life, maybe u’ll have s/t more profound 2 say than “i posted 1,287 comments…” and btw, i like the way u all wasted ur time gettin fired up about a dumb, stupid rumor that ain’t grounded in reality….

  • http://frumsatire.net settintherecordstr8

    my heart goes out 2 most of u, wastin ur life bashing a sytem that’s obviously superior 2 u if u have such a complex about it. guess what, guys; Hollywood ain’t paradise either. or atlantic city. or any place, anywhere. that’s life, and if u x learn how deal with life, that’s ur loss. if u r disillusioned with the system u r in, some personal introspection might be just a little more beneficial. yeah, i know i sound like a rebetzin (or BJJ product;) ) but im just a teen who has been disillusioned and gone down the deep end and realized that the only thing out there is fluff and garbage and hurt and senseless illusions. yes, the system ain’t perfect, but it’s a whole lot better than what’s out there. i chose 2 remain in a hiearchy that branded me as different and weird and non-comformist, bec fact is, at the end of the day, it’s not all these stupid trivialities that count. what good comes out of just sitting and exchanging empty posts that won’t change anything? why don’t u use all ur nrgs 4 something that will actually impact both u and ur society? trust me, u don’t wanna die bitter and angry and cynical at the whole world, and that will happen if u don’t actually work on it, bec again, that’s your loss, ur waste of ur own life. stop the bashing, and start building. and focus on the things that actually MATTER!

    • Alter Cocker

      Can you try that again, this time in English?

  • http://frumsatire.net otd

    nice try

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJczmCdlRxs Alter Cocker

    speaking of ner jake, click my name. one of the top google results.