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Brooklyn yeshiva claims to be the frummest of them all

Mirror mirror on the wall, who’s the frummest of them all?

One lone Brooklyn yeshiva has decided to outdo the the rest with yet another superficial rule to show that they are in fact the frummest of them all. The yeshiva has decided to require that parents of children in the yeshiva register with a web chaver to monitor each others internet usage, but is this really that frum? We at FS news have unanimously decided that this yeshiva isactually not as frum as people think, for several reasons.

If they were really trying to out-frum other yeshivos, they should have required the parents to register with the yeshivas filter so the hanhala could actually monitor everything they looked at – that way – there could be a set policy of what is kosher and what is not. What happened to the idea that people can only have internet for work, have the yeshivos given up and succumbed to the yetzer hara of non-work related internet usage. Buying online is not a necessity and it takes away business from frumme shomer shabbos stores.

It is easy for folks to bypass this rule, you can pick any other parent of the school, who’s to say a bunch of parents aren’t involved in a Yeshiva Ketana wife swapping ring? I am sure the wife swapping has gone beyond the five towns by now? Maybe the whole orthodox support for gays thing has even brought out a little husband swapping too.

So is Yeshiva Ketana Tiferes Yisroel really that frum? Or are they a bunch of posers who wish to have a bunch of critical Jewish bloggers argue about such a stupid rule so they could hold an asifa and show everyone why the internet is evil and they should comply to these rules. The world may never know…

On a side point, after not having internet at home for almost 3 weeks now, I can say my neshama is a lot better off.

Hat Tip Dov Bear

I kind of wish it were a fake story…

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  • A. Nuran August 17, 2010, 3:07 PM

    That’s not nearly enough.

    We need implanted GPS on every boy with alerts sent to the yeshiva if they go anywhere questionable.

    They need randomly monitored audio pickups and kippahcams so we can know if they are seeing or hearing something questionble.

    Telephone calls must be simulcast to the Comrade’s Political Cadre, sorry, the bochur’s chaver.

    Soon all students will have penile plesmographs permanently attached and continuously monitored with automatic electric shocks for unauthorized tumescence.

    It’s the only way to be sure.

  • ANDPROUD OF IT August 17, 2010, 3:17 PM

    Thats my brothers school!

    Yay!

  • Anonymous August 17, 2010, 3:43 PM

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the founder of WebChaver, whoever he is, is an alumnus of Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim and that is how he manged to hook this contract

  • yoni August 17, 2010, 3:46 PM

    “We cannot trust ourselves”
    what a bunch of nutballs. i cant wait until these rabbis come out and say something along the lines of “one should always sit in place, never move and never talk, never do anything at all ever, for fear of sin.”

    • OfftheDwannaB August 17, 2010, 4:07 PM

      Hmm. I wonder if they got a professiol’s opinion before deciding to do this, or if the board pulled just this out of their asses. I’m gonna go with B. I know from experience that that exact school is a cesspool of pedophilia. A guy in High School was molested (I know him personally) and the Hanhalah told the molesting bais medrash guy to get married to fix the issue.
      This guy and others there told me that the Bais Medrash “breeds” these types of people.
      I wonder what “chazal” have to say about that.

      • Mahla August 17, 2010, 6:11 PM

        Oh my gosh, that’s horrible! :^O And I wonder how much parents are paying to send their kids to this yeshiva?!

      • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 1:53 AM

        Wow. Raw gum, 200 proof, Board-certified evil. And then they compound it by protecting the evil-doer, leaving the victim without help and compounding it unto the next generation by forcing him into a marriage that’s guaranteed to be rocky. And

        This is why we have Police. It’s why we have Courts. It’s why we have prisons. And it’s why child molesters have to be in protective custody.

      • ANDPROUD OFIT August 18, 2010, 9:34 AM

        OffThe DWannaB – What a load of crap! Clearly you just want reaction, and want to spread lashon hara. I dont doubt that there is pedophilia in our community, but I know for a FACT it never happened in that Yeshiva. Take your slander elsewhere.

        • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 2:31 PM

          You proved a negative?
          Congratulations. Come down and pick up your prize.

          • ANDPROUD OFIT August 18, 2010, 2:33 PM

            So you actually would have preffered there be pedophilia, so that you can wag your tongue and make some “clever” remark. Ok. That makes you a freak.

            • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 3:37 PM

              This is the sort of reading comprehension and logic you get from yeshiva?

              Do you know what the expression “prove a negative” means?

              Do you understand why someone with an education might raise an eyebrow?

              • ANDPROUD OFIT August 18, 2010, 4:18 PM

                Maybe Hash-m will give you a medal for being so “educated”.

                • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 9:17 PM

                  OK, so you’re either ignorant and proud of it or you’re a bald-faced liar. In either case you don’t have logic. You don’t have facts. So you go to the fanatic’s default position of ridicule.

                  If that’s what sharpening your mind on Talmud does thank God most people never go near the stuff.

                  • jg August 25, 2010, 3:58 PM

                    i went to this yeshiva and high school for 14 years and never heard about a beis medrash guy molesting a child. (Doesn’t mean it never happened, but i was pretty much in loop so it is likely that i would have heard about it). There is a rebbe there that has been suspected of inappropriate conduct (i was in his class and saw some weird shit go down), however, the yeshiva reacted properly by putting video cameras in all the middle school class rooms.

      • Anonymous August 18, 2010, 1:04 PM

        I personally know the guy you are talking about as well as his psychologist. He is a liar,

        • A. Nuran August 22, 2010, 3:10 AM

          Why should we believe a word you’re saying, Anonymous Coward?

    • A. Nuran August 17, 2010, 11:31 PM

      Maybe they should call it ??? ?????

      • A. Nuran August 17, 2010, 11:33 PM

        Wordpress does not love the Hebrew

        • OfftheDwannaB August 18, 2010, 2:35 AM

          The sick thing is that if this was vosiznais or another yeshivish site, half the comments would be that what I said is lashon harah.
          That’s code for “LALALA. I’m not listening.” All the problems will go away if we deny they exist.

          • ANDPROUD OFIT August 18, 2010, 11:56 AM

            There is a place to face them where they exist, and so we should. To make them up for a reaction so that you can slam “frummy” scholls is just pathetic.

            • OfftheDwannaB August 18, 2010, 3:04 PM

              It’s ironic that you posted a comment above without seeing my later one, and then proceeded to say EXACTLY what I said frum people in denial say.

              Since you obviously have no experience with actual cases of abuse, let me educate you on the reality of abuse in our community:
              You wrote: “There is a place to face them where they exist, and so we should. ”
              The fact that there is a (still very limited) presence in the Rabbinate that will listen to claims of abuse is ONLY because, after years of ignoring it (big cases of cover-up are Rabbi Kolko and Rabbi Shapiro), people went outside of normative channels – to the papers, who pounced on it. (This is then labeled as Lashon Harah as I mentioned above.)
              The reason for this is because people and leaders of our community have a lot to lose by taking the word of an unknown little boy against a respected, usually powerful Rabbi. The media, on the other hand, knows that normal people are outraged by this and will eat it up.
              Also, if you go around the Rabbonim (who have an interest in covering it up) to the courts, it’s mesirah.

              That’s probably why you have never heard of a case of molestation in Tiferes Yisroel, while I, who had about 10 friends there, did.

              To illustrate this point, even when someone comes out against a molester, you have guys like “anonymous” above who says this molested kid and his psychologist are simply lying. (Although the motive for someone labeling themselves as molested in our community that looks down on the mentally ill is a bit mysterious to me.)

              But the guy I mentioned in the case above was not the same as the one “anonymous” mentioned because when he came out, he did it alone, without a psychologist’s help.

              • ANDPROUD OFIT August 18, 2010, 4:17 PM

                Ok, Whats the Rabbi’s name since you are so sure of your self. Surely you must know.

                • OfftheDwannaB August 18, 2010, 6:31 PM

                  I do remember his name. As I mentioned in the first post he is a bais medrash bochur, not a Rebbe.
                  But more to the point, the happened when we were in high school about 10 years ago. My friend dealt with it by going to the roshei yeshivah, who, as mentioned took no action, disciplinary or otherwise. I’d love to reveal this pervert’s name (especially anonymously) but I don’t know if this will get back to bite my friend.
                  Because, unlike what your perception about the community is, I know that the victim always gets hurt more than the accuser. I just googled the molester’s name and he just got semicha a few months ago, while my friend has a crappy job and is unmarried.
                  So I don’t the exact reason my friend dropped this, but I bet it has to do woth how it was covered up the first time. If I dig this thing up again by revealing specifics, it might help other future victims, but unless my friend (or other victims) pursues this in court, it’ll just end badly for them.

                  About that Lashon Harah comment, Dov Hikind devotes many shows to molestation on his radio show. Obviously, this political and community leader thinks that going through normal channels will go nowhere and he’s bringing it straight to the people to raise awareness. He’s enough of a gavrah for me to back my stance on this up with.

                  • A. Nuran August 20, 2010, 4:18 PM

                    It would get back and bite you and your friend. You’d be on the wrong end of a defamation suit – slander or libel depending on the means you used to communicate. Whatever your friend hoped to gain by keeping quiet would be lost. He’d be ostracized by his community if he were still part of it. You or any of your family who were still in the ghetto would suffer as well.

                    Letting air and light into the site of the infection could have positive effects. I would strongly recommend talking to a good lawyer before doing anything of the sort. The cost could well be higher than the benefits.

                    • OfftheDwannaB August 20, 2010, 7:13 PM

                      Yeah. As much as it hurts to see this crime go unpunished, I wouldn’t touch it unless my friend decided to open it back up. You’re right.I have no testimony or evidence. I’d just be sued.
                      It’s messed up though that everyone is so worried about saying lashon harah on a molester. What about Lo salamod al dam rayecha? That trumps everything in my book.

                    • A. Nuran August 22, 2010, 12:16 AM

                      It certainly should, but exaggerating and over-emphasizing the lashon hara prohibition makes for much better social control.

                  • jg August 25, 2010, 4:01 PM

                    the rosh over there can be extremely thickheaded sometimes

  • gruven_reuven August 17, 2010, 4:38 PM

    Ha! Our local PUBLIC school out Frums them!

    They activate the webcam on the school issued macbooks to spy on their student body

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20100419_Lower_Merion_details_Web_cam_scope.html

    • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 1:55 AM

      But unlike the yeshiva the parents raised holy hell over this. Heads have rolled. The lawsuits and criminal cases are proceeding. It won’t happen again for a long, long time.

    • ManoMerion August 18, 2010, 11:16 AM

      ^Thats my highschool 🙂

      • Mahla August 18, 2010, 3:04 PM

        Uh-oh, I hope you haven’t been getting ready for bed with your laptop open! :^D

    • kissmeimshomer September 21, 2010, 11:06 AM

      yea, but theyre just making sure noone is construing to blow up the school. If all theyre doing is watching porn I dont think the school will care much

  • bkl August 17, 2010, 4:56 PM

    Just when I think I can’t get more angry & upset about frummies………

  • Guest August 17, 2010, 4:58 PM

    The privacy violations are disturbing, in spite of their disclaimer. Although MO Jews are not free from being judgmental, I think this problem of disregarding the privacy of families, is greatest in the Chareidi world. This tendency is usually rationalized away as being a by-product of trying to preserve the kedushah of the community. Of course with the “swing to the right” that has been happening in orthodoxy over the past few decades this can only translate into increasing conformity, and restricting freedoms.

    There is already a tendency for people living in close knit communities to be subject to the rumor mill. The emphasis on visual conformity also makes you more easily a target for judgmental eyes–if you don’t dress exactly according to the uniform, it can be assumed that something is seriously wrong with your character (I have spoken to female seminary graduates who were told that a ben Torah only wears the black suit/white shirt/black brim hat–put away the khakis boys!). If a child of yours doesn’t fit the cookie cutter image (which can include having parents of a different race, Jewish ethnicity, different type of orthodoxy, a child with dyslexia, Asbergers, ADHD, a girl who has “tomboy tendency”), he/she can be subject to bullying by peers for not fitting the mold. Now it is mandatory that you have to have your private life monitored by a “chaver.” Want to listen to jazz music on youtube? Not if your chaver doesn’t like it! Read too much secular news? Well, what does the chaver have to say about it?

    I know it’s one school, and I know that this is not the same as having a “secret police,” but let’s hope this disease doesn’t spread. The social consequences, depending on your community, of being perceived as a non-conformist can be considerable, so the further encroachment on individual privacy in the yeshiva world is no small matter.

  • chaim August 17, 2010, 5:04 PM

    what amazes me is why people voluntarily belong to cult schools like this. would be a ton of fun to somehow hack the system and send all the monitors list of the most heinous filfth possible, purporting to be the internet activity of their monitoree.

    • A. Nuran August 17, 2010, 5:11 PM

      I certainly would. There’s a good chance they wouldn’t have seen the classic shock pictures. Or been to notorious malware-infested sites. Or the places that get you unannounced visits from the FBI at 3 in the morning.

      • Sergeant J August 18, 2010, 12:33 PM

        2G1C for every last one.. of course, chances are, they already have a copy on their hard drives. This level of religious fervor usually grows internal sickness….

        • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 3:40 PM

          You think they’ve got 2girls and goatse on their computers? Being a professional snoop and diary-reader must make people freakier than I thought.

          • Sergeant J August 18, 2010, 3:56 PM

            I dont trust fundies, of any religion…

    • G*3 August 17, 2010, 6:26 PM

      > what amazes me is why people voluntarily belong to cult schools like this.

      People send their kids to schools like this becuase it’s pretty much impossible to find a perfect school, so if they find a school they agree with 90%, they put up with the 10% they find ridiculous.

      • NotMyRealName December 19, 2010, 5:36 PM

        I’ve been a part of Yeshiva Tiferes Yisroel for five years. It is an absolutely fantastic place. It is not a cult, or anything of the sort. They are attempting to deal sensibly with a serious problem. Take your baseless slander someplace else.

  • PartyJew August 17, 2010, 5:14 PM

    This shouldnt bother anyone, you can just find a “chaver” who enjoys the same porn as you and then you are basically paying 4 dollars a month for someone to help you exchange porn links every day. Maybe this will help cut down on instances of kiddie porn in the Jewish community…

    All kidding aside, this is retarded and will not work. People will get around it so fast and it wont really be enforced. Everyone will just say they dont have internet, just like they dont have TV and dont molest boys in the shul basement.

    The rabbi who gave this speech offers his email address for anyone who wants to sign up to have their reports delivered to him. We should take that email and sign it up for every porn listserve in the country. Flood the inbox and takedown the system as he wades through some gay DP to find out which father masturbated to which porn the night before.

    • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 1:50 AM

      Personally, I think it’s just laziness on the rabbi or rosh yeshiva’s part. He doesn’t want to harvest pr0n on his own. So he gets motivated guys to do it for him 😉

      Like I said elsewhere, start with the classics – the shock sites that would make a stone vomit. Then the really foul porn. No, fouler than that. Then the links that the FBI monitors, kiddie porn, terrorist (Christian or Muslim), child prostitution tourism, how to make meth, sketchy foreign exchange sites.

      Choose the right ones and your Political Officer will draw the unfriendly attention of the Powers That Be.

  • Frummer August 17, 2010, 5:19 PM

    If any of you GUYS here actually think this is really a bad idea, I ask you – do you really not read anything that you wouldn’t read in front of your Rabbi? Do you really not watch any porn online? Do you really not chat up girls / post comments on blogs / facebook that you would not say in public? Do you really believe that the internet is not doing you any harm? (Apart from the huge waste of time it leads to.)
    Think about when you were in high school and those raging hormones and try to convince yourself that the internet would not be an outlet that would be pursued.

    While it is a sad state of affair that the school has to issue such a letter, they are there to teach & guide people – which is what they are trying to do.

    To all the Ladies out there, sorry to break it to you but guys are inherently one track minded.

    • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 1:41 AM

      Ah yes, the guilty have nothing to fear.

      • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 1:42 AM

        And yes, I meant that.
        The guilty will cover their tracks or leave acceptably unacceptable traces.

        The Inquisitor never believes in real innocence and will dig until he finds something.

  • Mahla August 17, 2010, 6:21 PM

    WHOA WHOA WHOA. I just checked out the site for this web monitoring service. On a page detailing what kind of information is produced in these reports, at one point the following sentence appeared:

    “Occasionally, the message “Covenant Eyes was abnormally terminated” will appear in this section. It does not necessarily indicate anything ominous. It may be caused by the computer hanging or restarting abnormally. If this is a frequent message, speak to your partner to determine the cause.”

    Covenant Eyes is an ~evangelical Christian service~ that does the exact same thing as WebChaver! I smell a rat. Have these people just rebranded a Christian product to appeal to people who are ~not~ right-wing Christians?! Or is WebChaver cutting and pasting stuff off the Covenant Eyes site to avoid having to pay someone to write up a product description?! I smell a rat!

    • Mahla August 17, 2010, 6:24 PM

      Here’s the WebChaver page that contains the “Covenant Eyes” slip up; scroll down and look under the heading “Unusual Activity”:

      http://www.webchaver.org/reports.php

      And here’s Covenant Eyes:

      http://www.covenanteyes.com/

      Shady!

    • Mahla August 17, 2010, 6:30 PM

      Actually, on second look it’s even more blatant than I thought! It even states on their homepage that this is Covenant Eyes! Unbelievable! :^O

      • Sergeant J August 18, 2010, 12:35 PM

        They probly use the same filters…… so I guess all the bachurim can to to any evangelical sites they wish..

    • A. Nuran August 17, 2010, 8:49 PM

      Oh, it’s okay. They had the rabbi come into the server room and strip an inch of insulation off the router cable :p

      • Mahla August 17, 2010, 10:24 PM

        LOL! ;^D

      • Anonymous August 17, 2010, 10:36 PM

        +1 foreskin

        • kissmeimshomer August 18, 2010, 12:03 AM

          @A NURAN
          “Oh, its okay. They had the rabbi come into the server room and strip an inch of insulation off the router cable :p”
          WIN! you know what they say, your first blowjob was from your rabbi at 8 days old….

          • OfftheDwannaB August 18, 2010, 8:08 PM

            Nuran’s was funny. Yours is gross. Ewww.

  • Anonymous August 17, 2010, 6:59 PM
  • Anonymous August 17, 2010, 10:54 PM

    U mean this yeshiva that has camras in the class rooms becauase of problems with Rabbim thinks its the frumist ?

  • Anonymous August 17, 2010, 10:54 PM

    One of the most full-of-c/rap things I have ever seen in my life.

    • John August 18, 2010, 6:54 AM

      I agree there is nothing even remotely objectionable on the Internet i dont know what the fuss is about there is no porn and definitely no kefira. Silly paranoid rabbis

  • Mahla August 18, 2010, 10:50 AM

    I sent WebChaver an email last night asking them about basically being Covenant Eyes cynically re-branded to appeal to Orthodox Jews. I was particularly concerned that they’ve got a donation page that states the following:

    “We are striving to offer our service at no cost to our users. We need sponsorships to do so. This is a wonderful opportunity for you to help promote and further the Kedusha of Klal Yisrael.”

    I wanted to know if the donated money was guaranteed not to fund Christian evangelism. In part, the response read:

    “The donations and subscriptions are to help WebChaver continue with this project. We pay CE for the use of their product as you would pay any company for a product or service.

    Additionally, CE itself is not a religious organization. They are a for-profit company that was founded by concerned religious christians. There is nothing more religious or evangelical about their product itself, and patronizing them is no different than patronizing your local supermarket owned by a religious christian.”

    • Sergeant J August 18, 2010, 12:37 PM

      I am sure they are careful to block out avoda zara sites….

  • Yankel August 18, 2010, 11:33 AM

    This has nothing to do with being FRUM for heavens sake!!
    This is a desperate (albiet silly) attempt to put a general damper on the porn problem which is affecting the WHOLE WORLD. And the way to get people to go along with it (since many will pass it off as unimportant) is simply to make it a school reqirement.

    Anyone with a better idea is more than welcome to share it with the world.

  • Rabbi Weiner August 18, 2010, 12:45 PM

    For a fee of only $1.99 a month, I will act as your Web Chaver and maintain in strict confidence and not divulge to your wife or others the adult Web sites you visit. For an additional $1.99, I will provide you with a monthly list of recommended hot Web sites for your viewing pleasure.
    Discounts available for Kollel and Hanhola families as well high volume users.

    In conjunction with Yeshiva Tiferes Yisroel, I will soon be offering the following additional services:

    — Supervised “Key” Parties (limited to Marine Park residents)
    — Web cam bedroom monitoring
    — Acting as your wife’s mikveh ‘lady’
    — Massage Therapy

    Finally, be sure to look out for our upcoming publication “Rabinically Sanctioned Sexual Positions.” (Available only in Hard Cover).

    • Mahla August 18, 2010, 4:22 PM

      OMG! ;^D Yikes! ;^D

      • Sergeant J August 18, 2010, 4:32 PM

        I bet he’d love to “do your conversion”;-)…
        Sorry, that one was kinda eewy.

        • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 9:24 PM

          He’d probably posek the Christians by putting the Holy Ghost into you and filling you with living water

          *barf*

    • Mark August 18, 2010, 6:12 PM

      Finally, be sure to look out for our upcoming publication Rabinically Sanctioned Sexual Positions. (Available only in Hard Cover).

      Now also including phone sex positions … by Loeb Tropper.

  • Sergeant J August 18, 2010, 3:04 PM

    So anyone actually know how this site is “rated” by the covenant eyes, I mean webchaver, system? I am almost tempted to try it for a few days just to see how it rates sites that discuss gay rights, abortion, Islam, J4J, and the like.. The man site seems to be all about using the gospel to end porn addiction.

  • Sergeant J August 18, 2010, 3:07 PM

    Wonder if there is a filter to block the Yeshivas secret about the real system they are using?

    • Mahla August 18, 2010, 3:38 PM

      If you visit the Covenant Eyes site or better yet the C.E. blog, you will see that their whole product is ~very~ much couched in the language of Christian evangelism.

      The only reason I point this out is, I find it awfully cynical they have re-branded their product, couching it in terms of Orthodox Judaism to tap a new market.

      That WebChaver “donate” page with the language about furthering the Kedusha of Klal Yisrael … c’mon now. :^( That’s just plain deceptive.

      1. Does this site block / flag sites like Jews for Jesus? Would a ~genuinely~ Orthodox Jewish filtering service do so?

      2. Do parents at this yeshiva know where their money is being funneled?!

      3. Does the yeshiva know?!

      • Sergeant J August 18, 2010, 3:54 PM

        Yeah, that blog is a triiiip… Apparently, they do not “block” but “rate” if I read it correctly (which I may not have, the whole site feels dirty).

        • Mahla August 18, 2010, 4:29 PM

          I have half a mind to email the rosh yeshiva, but I believe they might take one look at my full name and just delete my email …. Does anyone with a Jewish name want to email the yeshiva and ask ’em if they know who they are ~requiring~ parents funnel their money too?!

          The reason I believe the money is going directly to Covenant Eyes, rather than through a hocker middleman who has re-branded it himself and ‘fooled’ the yeshiva, is because the price for monitoring and filtering services are the SAME on both sites …. :^O

          • Sergeant J August 18, 2010, 4:30 PM

            Sounds like it is… I would say that it’s jus business, and the Yeshiva did not look too deep into the vendor.

          • eyekanspel August 18, 2010, 7:47 PM

            Mahla, you are misinformed. I read an article about it in one of the Jewish papers. WebChaver is partnered with CE. It is NOT CE attempting to deceive people into using their product. WebChaver is the one being a bit deceitful because they don’t disclose straight up that it is the CE system. WebChaver gets some of the money, CE gets new clients, and everybody is happy. There is no big conspiracy here though.

            • Mahla August 18, 2010, 8:00 PM

              Huh! Thank you much for this information, Eyekanspel. I definitely felt there was more ‘partnership’ here than perhaps met the eye.

          • ghottistyx August 19, 2010, 5:20 PM

            Why don’t you temporarily set up a “sock puppet” account using G-mail, Yahoo, or another free service, and just give yourself a Jewish sounding name? I believe there are ways to get your e-mails from these “sock puppets” forwarded to your real e-mail account so you don’t have to constantly check it; you can just log in at your leisure and send e-mails out from it whenever you choose.

            • Mahla August 25, 2010, 5:17 PM

              I broached the topic with my boyfriend (“Honey, why don’t we pay to have our ‘net rated and filtered by an evangelical Christian service for a month or two to see what’s blocked?”). He was ~not~ down for it. LOL. :^D

              But if anyone is willing to sign up for a month of this “chavering” AND their optional filtering, and explore for us what sites are and aren’t blocked, I will reimburse him. :^D

              For starters, I wanna see if Frum Satire is blocked …. But really, my #1 curiosity is, are sites aggressively trying to convert Jews to Christianity filtered or no. Again, my bet is no way. And I’d guess a service BY from Jews FOR frum Jews would block them out ….

              • john August 25, 2010, 5:27 PM

                I dont think anything is blocked according to their website “As our Sages state (Brachos 28b), If only our fear of Heaven was as great as our fear of our fellow man WebChaver utilizes the cutting-edge Covenant Eyes software, which logs all web activity and sends a weekly report to the head of the household or another designated partner (Chaver) for monitoring.” in other words you can do what you want but your “chaver” will know.

                • Sergeant J August 25, 2010, 5:48 PM

                  Yeah, no block, but there is a rating system….

                  • Mahla August 25, 2010, 5:55 PM

                    Nope guys, the second yeshiva letter states that the yeshiva has arranged that for a mere $4.99 per month the parents can arrange to use the “WebChaver” filtration system.

                    The only thing that the yeshiva is REQUIRING is the whole accountability partner, oops, I mean chaver, aspect.

                    From the WebChaver site:

                    WebChaver Filtering

                    Although WebChaver Monitoring and Reporting is the most effective way to prevent intentional unsuitable behavior, it does not guarantee complete safe web browsing. This is because inappropriate sites may be unintentionally accessed, through advertisements or with incorrectly typed web addresses. Complete security can only be achieved with a combination of the monitoring and filtering software.

                    Covenant Eyes has developed its own filter. This filter works in tandem with the monitoring software, providing WebChaver users with one easy package to ensure safe web surfing. We are excited to be able to offer the CE filter to our members at a minimal additional cost.

                    • Sergeant J August 25, 2010, 6:17 PM

                      Right.. but even as a test, paid for, I will not put such software on my machine… it’s a fundie free laptop.

      • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 4:23 PM

        Odds are they filter out Dawkins, PFLAG, Pharyngula and MoveOn but allow Free Republic, Stormfront, Opus Dei and the Westboro Baptist Church (Fred Phelps’ merry little band of sociopathic attention hoors).

        • Sergeant J August 18, 2010, 4:31 PM

          Do you think Jews for Judaism is filtered? Conflict of interest to evangelicals after all..

          • Mahla August 18, 2010, 4:33 PM

            EXACTLY. Bet you money it’s NOT!

  • Heshy Fried August 18, 2010, 4:10 PM

    I’ve been waiting for a seminary to do this for years, make every girl install a webcam and then we can hack the webcams and get some frum porn.

    • A. Nuran August 18, 2010, 4:20 PM

      Given what Jewish wives and husbands aren’t supposed to look at, wouldn’t it be easier just to buy Japanese naughty movies? They already pixelate out the the snails and oysters.

      • Mahla August 18, 2010, 4:33 PM

        But what about the octupi?

        • Sergeant J August 18, 2010, 4:35 PM

          dont you mean starfish?

          • A. Nuran August 20, 2010, 5:01 PM

            No starfish and octopuses? How are they going to learn about the birds and the bees and the weasels and the icepicks?

    • OfftheDwannaB August 18, 2010, 11:54 PM

      You’d make a killing. I’m sure one struggling seminary owner would be willing to go 50-50 with you.
      But you NEED to let me in on the porn film naming process. The seminary names are begging for it.
      Anything with “Bnos” you can hit out of the park easily enough. Some you have to get creative with (I’m talking to you Semenar.) And our flagship title has to be about BJJ .

  • Spaced Out BT August 21, 2010, 11:29 PM

    This is another good argument for Modern Orthodoxy- which is being trefed out of existence in Midwood by the elements that have taken over Torah Chinuch. The big shuls are practically empty- maybe its time to do tshuva and return to derech emtza’i.

    • A. Nuran August 22, 2010, 3:13 AM

      Reform and Conservative were tossed out. When they started calling Orthodox “Modern Orthodox” it was only a matter of time. Pretty soon it will only be the Tallitban. The various sub-cults will fight among themselves until Judaism has been defined out of existence.

  • Anonymous August 29, 2010, 12:49 AM

    Is it so difficult for you to understand the value of this concept of the webchaver? Had you been reviewing as the christian convenant eyes, upon which webchaver has based its software with the help and consent of covenent eyes, you would probably be lauding the christians as having found a way to prevent inappropriate use of the internet by anyone subscribing to it. But because this is a frum organization, yo need to find fault. The concept is simple, you choose who you want your report to go to, if you want, it can even be you (although that mey be couterproductive.) Webchaver and the yeshiva do not get any reports of your visited sites or any alerts, only your webcahver gets it. This is working on the premise that people want to help themselves and their families avoid the pitfalls of the internet. Unfortunately, there are too many, yourself included, who make a mockery of everything and enjoy tearing others apart in their attempts to do good. Have a gut gbentched yuhr and I hope you find in yourself the ability to help others instead of tear eveyone down.

    • Sergeant J August 29, 2010, 6:24 AM

      Actually, not only do I NOT laud covenant eyes for doing what they do, I also worry that the filter option is dangerous for Frum folks, as it will give them a huge false sense of security. Evangelicals have a different agenda in the sites they deem acceptable… There are three ways to deal with the internet that actually work.
      1- No access beyond public (living room) access for those who are not to be trusted, possibly to including the parents.
      2- No access at all.
      3- Do whatever you want, self police.
      Filter software is a false sense of security, and any version of it can be beaten if one tries hard enough, including this one.
      In the US, for years, many car companies have had multiple systems to keep drivers from going too fast, from devices that read the signs and warn you when you are speeding, to electronic speed governors. Some get bypassed, some get ignored. The people who are gonna speed will find a way.

      • Mahla August 29, 2010, 12:21 PM

        If an evangelical Christian chooses to bring what I view as a evangelical Christian product into his or her home, to protect his or her family, I have ~no~ problem with that, Anonymous!

        If a frum Jew chooses to bring, knowingly, an evangelical Christian product into his or her home, to protect his or her family, I have no problem with that either! My ~specific~ strong concern with Covenant Eyes / WebChaver is this: I feel that a deception is being perpetrated upon either the yeshiva who partnered with the service or the parents themselves.

        If parents frum enough to pay what I can only guess is $10,000+ ~per child~ to give their children a Jewish education were given just 20 minutes to peruse the Covenant Eyes blog, and then asked whether or not they wanted to funnel money towards this particular company, I’m telling you that they would say NO.

        I have no problem at all with observant Judaism or the frum community! Don’t you understand that my whole concern here is that hard-working frum parents are being taken for a ride?

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