There is a little discussion going on over at Off The Derech’s blog about me and who I am. The author of the blog is mad that I referred to off the derech folks as angry (I indicated that I find that many of them are angry at the system – hence, one of the key reasons they went off the derech) in a post I wrote about Boulder Colorado. A lot of people have it wrong so I felt the need to explain to everyone where exactly I come from and how I grew up. While I am sure some of you think you can judge me and my roots, even I have no idea how to really categorize myself or my background. This may act as a shortened biographical essay and an attempt to respond to those who wrongly categorize me and for all who read this to understand the context of my writing.
I grew up on the Upper West Side, but, unlike many of the folks that grew up there, my life was not one of privilege. In fact, I would venture to say that we were upper lower class, or lower middle class based on the fact that I never got an allowance, heard my father constantly groaning about not being able to afford things and hearing him say say he would be using some my bar mitzvah presents to pay the caterer. I got a total of $2700 for my bar mitzvah, the highest of any check being $125 and my grandmother from my mom’s side gave me $36 – while the rest of the people I knew were getting in the tens of thousands. It seemed like we were the only people in my neighborhood that couldn’t afford name brand items so we went to places like Conway or random stores in Boro Park.
The reason we lived on the Upper West Side was that we bought the apartment 25 years before the real estate boom of New York City. A reason shared by many people who live in neighborhoods like the UWS and Park Slope in Brooklyn but cannot afford them. I learned early on to be a frugal shopper and what the words “we can’t afford” truly meant.
I paid for all of my own schooling, cars, insurance, health insurance, rent etc…as did my brother.
My mom died when I was 6. They do say that most comedians suffer traumatic event in their youth. I also had a terrible stuttering problem, and a Yiddish name. I went to Manhattan Day School for most of my elementary school career but did brief stints at Bruers, Yeshiva Katannah of Manhattan and Providence Hebrew Day School. I was made fun of during most of my youth. I also hung out with the other bad kids from broken homes, and none of them were religious. I felt like the most religious kid in the world, because we went to shul every shabbos and holiday.
My elementary school education is directly inverse to my family’s religious practice. As stated above, I started out in Breuers, than Yeshiva Katannah, MDS and finally Providence Hebrew Day School – and while each of these schools were less religious than the one before it, my family became increasingly more religious in the years after my mom died. My father started going to shul every day and taking us with him. We stopped eating out at non-kosher places in the city and we began to watch fewer cartoons on Saturday morning.
My brother and I went to coed camps and were never forbidden from bringing girls over or anything in that department. My father was always very anti-separate seating at events like weddings and bar mitzvahs, always ranting about how it was back in the alter heim of Boro Park in the 40s.
Even though we ate non-kosher and watched TV on shabbos, we always considered ourselves religious. Even as late as 11th grade, I remember driving with my dad up to yeshiva in Rochester and always stopping at this Italian Place we liked in Corning. We only ate milchig there but in my old age I have come to realize that treife French onion soup is most likely has a meat base and pasta sauce usually has meat ground into it. Keep in mind that the irony of the fact that this tradition of ours took place as we were en route to dropping me off at a black hat yeshiva is not lost on me.
I got to watch Saturday morning cartoons. I always remember watching the Smurfs, eating challah with butter and then going to shul. I cannot recall if my father watched TV on shabbos, but on shabbos afternoon when he was learning b’chavrusa, we used to watch Knight Rider, A-Team and Baywatch. I remember wondering what we would do all yuntiff at my cousins homes if we couldn’t watch TV or use electricity.
My father was always an old fashioned one so certain things stuck. We never went to the movies as kids and he instilled in us a love of the outdoors and disdain for television and pop culture in general. My father is the type of guy who takes the scenic route without telling you and makes random stops to look at historic markers — my brother and I are both built the same way. Neither of us owns a TV, watches movies or likes to do indoor activities.
Of course while we weren’t that religious for orthodox people in general, for my neighborhood, we were super religious. Almost all of my friends’ families didn’t do much in the way of shabbos or holidays. But my father forced us to be in shul at certain times, wear tzitzis, put on tefillin — all of that good stuff that kids hate to do. He did run a ” this way or the highway kingdom” but it didn’t lead us to reject what he was selling – we just didn’t start questioning his iron fist until we moved out.
My father’s side of the family is frum all the way back, despite some folks’ presumptions that my parents were BTs. All of his siblings are frum to some degree with his sisters being charedi. We have a very large family and we are direct descendants from Rav Shlomo Ganzfried – so we even rock some yichus.
My mother’s side is a bit more complex. While she grew up religious and attended Bais Yakaov of Detroit, most of her side of the family is only mildly affiliated. They grew up religious and went their own ways. Like my father’s side, they are all pretty conservative when it comes to politics. Unfortunately, I am not so close with my mom’s side since they mostly live in Michigan. I remember those Styrofoam heads for sheitles when I was a kid, but all of the pictures of me with my mother have her looking like a woman without any of the frum effects.
Are you beginning to understand that my background is a bit strange and doesn’t allow for quick judgments?
Since high school I have always been outspoken. It comes from my father – he is extremely outspoken and couldn’t care less what anyone thinks about him. He’s happy, as long as he has some good Scotch and a gemara. I’m the same – except I need some wooded trail and my bike. We are both easy to please and get along with most crowds.
In high school, I was a good kid. I started getting into spending time alone in the woods and extreme sports and reading. I prided myself on being able to carry on full fledged discussions with adults and having friends much older than me. Besides for having porn – because, let’s face it, JC Penny underwear ads just wont do – I wasn’t too bad in high school. I didn’t do drugs, never smoked a cigarette (still haven’t) and didn’t go to movies. I also showed up on time every day to shachris and wasn’t too into drinking. I wasn’t into my schoolwork and didn’t do well in the hard sciences but I excelled in social sciences and particularly loved economics, history and geography. I wasn’t much of a writer and I hated the thought of public speaking. Prior to high school, I didn’t speak much due to my stuttering problem and I was a terrible student.
Hashkafically, I was never my own person until I broke out of the bubble of yeshiva, though that didn’t happen until I left Rochester and realized that there were more than orthodox Jews out there. I lived with a BT for many years, and several of my best friends in college weren’t Jewish. But it was different being around Jews of all affiliations and opinions.
I am a skeptical cynic, or a cynical skeptic — but, then again, which thinking individual isn’t? So while I maintain my practices to a certain degree I am always trying to figure out exactly what I believe. I have become much more liberal and accepting over the years. I never thought of reform or pluralistic Jews as lesser Jews, but I definitely thought they were wrong and on their way to hell. In my mind, there is no true right way to practice. Everyone has a way and the beauty of Judaism is that everything is gray – there really isn’t black and white.
I started my blog because I had started to enjoy the outlet of writing and it felt cool to have it online – you read the story about that here and there on the site. I think a lot of people don’t really understand me, but humorists are rarely understood. My judgments are all for fun – I sit around and observe and try and figure people out – but, I would never take those judgments into my interpersonal relationships with those people. I don’t talk to someone and treat them a certain way because of who they are. Everyone is treated equally. As a humorist and conversation starter, I write to provoke thought. If I just wanted to offend, it would be too easy.
There is no way I can please everyone. I learned that a long time ago. No matter what I write, someone will think it’s funny, offensive, terrible, loshon horah, true, false, etc…
Sure, some people think I’m angry but the truth is it’s very hard to get me angry and the people who know and love me think that is one of my virtues. Of course, you may get angry at things I write and that’s fine – I want you to discuss these things. Those of you that are longtime readers understand how I work; I write things for laughs or for discussion – and sometimes to be simply be informative.
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This is why you’re awesome!
As a longtime Frumsatire reader, I really don’t see a need for you to confront those who judge you. It’s not like they have the courage to start their own blogs. They only criticize.
Perhaps you can prove them wrong by finding your bashert, building a family, and teaching your children the Judaism that you find ideal, rather than the frumkeit that passes for religion, but lacks plenty on the inside.
Yup, Hesh, you certainly are one of a kind…
Yup Hesh, you certainly are one of a kind.
Heshy, I really enjoy your blog and your perspective.
I don’t normally comment, but I just thought I’d let you know that there are quite a lot of us who appreciate your writing.
I didn’t mean anything personal, Hesh. I think you’re generally a great guy, and mean no harm.
However, OTDers are some of the most misunderstood, maligned and reviled fringe groups of the Orthodox community, and I think we have the right to get pissed off once in a while. I’m sick of being a second-class citizen and I refuse to sit quietly while people like myself get demonized. So it’s not about you; it’s that you’ve hit a very sensitive chord.
I Love your writing : “and I think we have the right to get pissed off once in a while” and in the next post: “I don’t think I’ve ever been or ever will be angry,” im a big fan, please keep it coming
piss off
I find it extremely offensive that you say “I find that many of them are angry at the system – hence, one of the key reasons they went off the derech.” I don’t think I’ve ever been or ever will be angry, and I think it had nothing to do with my decision to live true to myself. (Do BT’s also have to contend with criticism that they switched because they’re angry?!) But even if it was true that I and others leave because we’re angry (and again, I don’t), can you name me two or three other reasons why people go OTD? You say anger is one of the “key reasons”, so I wonder, what are the others? Or is that the only “reason” you’re allowed to acknowledge? And don’t you think it’s something of a red herring? Franly, it’s pathetic. If the best reason I could have to explain why anyone does anything is “anger”, I’m on thin ice.
I can name you a thousand reasons to go off the derech – not believing in what you are taught is a biggie. Most of my friends that went off, did it because they couldn’t stand the hypocrisy that exists within the orthodoxy they grew up with, don’t believe that orthodox Judaism is the way to practice Judaism or just don’t want to be bothered.
I would love it if you could write a guest post about the misunderstood aspects of the off the derech community. I think it’s a good topic of discussion.
Okay, three reasons. Not being able to stand hypocrisy, no longer believing what’s required to believe, and anger. I can live with that.
>I would love it if you could write a guest post about the misunderstood aspects of the off the derech community. I think it’s a good topic of discussion.
Not a bad idea. I might take you up on it.
Most of my friends that went off, did it because they couldn’t stand the hypocrisy that exists within the orthodoxy they grew up with
I think everyone hates hypocrisy (I know I do!), some people blind themselves to it, and some people just acknowledge its existence and simply live with it (like me).
But it’s a bad (invalid, not logical, whatever) reason for OTD. Why? Because the entire world, all of life, is filled with hypocrisy, and if something needs to be done to avoid/eliminate hypocrisy, then the only logical conclusion is to …
I had friends that went off just to try what was forbidden to them throughout their lives growing up.
Living in a big Lubab community, we were the only ones that had a TV at the time. My buddies started coming over to watch hockey games when we were around Bar mitzvah age, by them we were in our late teens, many of these guys were going to movies and smoking on Shabbos.
I remember going out to some heavy metal shows and these guys would stop in at burger King first.
Most have quit their “evil” ways and lead frum lives today.
>Most of my friends that went off, did it because they couldn’t stand the hypocrisy that exists within the orthodoxy they grew up with, don’t believe that orthodox Judaism is the way to practice Judaism or just don’t want to be bothered.
Hesh, you just gave three excellent reasons why people might go OTD. Not one of them included anger!
ah, but the anger comes later. thanks for the “piss off” reply earlier loved it, and you!!
Hesh, I am a recent follower of your blog, as your title say its Frumsatire, not always satire and not always frum, I enjoy your writing and it gives me a more enlightened view of all stripes of Jews, keep it up!
What happened to your editor?
I’m here. Sorry. Sometimes on the long winded posts, I don’t do my best work. Just tweaked it a bit more. Hopefully without taking away too much from the quality of Heshy’s writing. Especially on a personal heartfelt post like this one, I try not to alter it too much.
Hesh,
Funny you mention those Saturday morning cartoons. We grew up non frum, my parents became BT when I was between 7-9 years old.
Prior to that, Saturday morning cartoons were on of my favorites, I was up at 6:00 AM to watch them, as we had no cable and those were the only cartoons all week. Around 9 or 10 AM, I would head to shul with my grandfather that was kind of M.O. Not that I davened or anything, but he convinced me that the candyman and my friends were waiting there for me.
I remember having birthday parties at McDonalds with my non religious and non Jewish friends. The more “frum” ones ate only fries or fish.
I remember the day my mom told me I couldn’t watch TV on Shabbos anymore, as well as when she told me I should try not to hang out at my non Jewish friends home where I would eat non kosher and transgress Shabbos. I wasn’t thrilled to say the least.
When we moved into the frummy area, everything I was now expected to do or not to do suddenly seemed normal. We “assimilated” into the Lubab way of life, and remained that way until my mid teens when I went a bit more “modern”, which is roughly where I consider myself today (20 years later).
I’ve never had a problem with you. I think we OTDers are just a little sensitive towards what sound like rationalizations of why we go OTD rather than genuine explanations. If an Orthodox Jew can convince himself that OTDers go off just because they’re selfish hedonists or because they were abused or because they’re angry or because they have issues, then he doesn’t have to confront the reality that many (most?) of us have very good reasons (for example, Orthodox Judaism being factually incorrect.)
It’s similar to the way homophobes like to tell themselves that homosexuality is a choice or it’s a result of abuse or it’s just hedonism run amok — the reality that some people just happen to be gay is too threatening towards their religious beliefs.
Are you denying that those reasons don’t apply to a good number of that demographic? Obviously statistics are impossible but surely you must acknowledge that more than a few people leave for the reasons you mentioned.
I’m sure some do, but I think a lot of SOTDs (Still on the Derechs) underestimate the cost of leaving. Most people aren’t going to throw away the only community they’ve ever known, piss off and worry their parents, and venture out into the great unknown just so they can have a cheeseburger, or just because someone was mean to them.
As you say, statistics are impossible, so I can really only go on the people I know in real life and online who’ve gone OTD.. and I’m telling you honestly, 90%+ left because they just didn’t think it was true. Maybe that’s a biased sample because I tend to know people a little more on the intellectual side.
Also, my experience is that people who go OTD because they want sex and cheeseburgers end up frumming out again when they get married and start having children. Those who go OTD because they believe that it’s not true stay OTD.
$2,700 seems like alot to me for a 13 year old! That’s not average?
Not for UWS…
You thought they were going to hell? You mean purgatory (gehinom)? I thought Judaism didn’t believe in a permanent hell.
This is the way I think about the non-Orthodox. They’re only doing what they think is right, based on their own beliefs. Now these beliefs may lead to assimilation and intermarriage and lack of dedication to spiritual growth and they may end up in gehinom or being reincarnated (as with many frum yidden, to be sure), so Orthodox people have a duty to reach out to them. But Hashem will no doubt keep in mind that they really believe that the Orthodox are wrong and their lack of observance or changed observances are just fine, even morally superior to the Orthodox.
I recommend the book Soul Searching by Yaacov Astor, which you can read much of on google books. From the available evidence, I personally think there’s no doubt that there’s an afterlife, and that the world is ruled by a benevolent being. The question is what’s the best derech for fulfillling our soul’s mission on earth. For Jews at least, that derech is most likely Orthodox Judaism, when it’s done right (doing prayers and mitzvot with intention, doing hitbodedut, working on negative character traits, etc.) The other paths have problems, because they don’t have the strong set of beliefs and practices that have the ability to instill in people the intense motivation, the will and yearning, to really accomplish their tikkun through prayer, Torah study and building one’s emuna and connection to Hashem. See this and other chapters in the Bilvavi on the need for a strong ratzon:
http://bilvavi.net/content/view/207/32/
Hesh, why all of a sudden the explanation you offend people all the time, why now did you feel the need to clarify?
It was a long list of recent emails that prompted me to do it – but I like ranting once in a while.
I see, thanks. I guess angry people don’t like being called angry.
Hesh,
Really nice post. I personally dont have the guts to reveal so much about myself on the net. As for your critics, dont bother with em 99% of the time. Listening to and dealing with that kinda stuff only leads to stomach aches.
BTW, its a trend in the last few years for the anti-theist types to act angry. Doesnt matter which religion or sect, it just seems to be part of the times we live in now. And as Bob above mentioned, they really dont like it when you point out their anger.
(Long time reader/lurker. Don’t usually comment.)
Your blog is entertaining and informative. I think it’s a great blog for people who are Jewish and trying to find their ’stream’.
You write well and I enjoy your take on things. I may agree, or not, but I enjoy reading. You seem to use your satire in an ‘equal opportunity’ sort of way.
People will read into things slights that are not there because of their background and experience. I think this has a lot to do with the negative reaction you’ve received.
I agree very much with poster Chris_B who states ” BTW, its a trend in the last few years for the anti-theist types to act angry. Doesn’t matter which religion or sect, it just seems to be part of the times we live in now.”
I find this to be more and more true, at least on the net. Doesn’t matter the person’s original religious background, some of the non-theist or non-religious have evolved into anti-theist/religious, at least more of the articles and posts seem that way on the blogs I read.
I don’t blame OTDers for being angry.
In today’s portion, Rambam rules that we have a mitzva to kill them, preferably in public with a sword. If that isn’t possible, we are to devise a trick such as having them climb into a pit or onto a roof and then take away the ladder. If I were in their shoes, I’d probably be angry too.
Please note that this only applies to minim or apikorsim, defined as those that deny the Torah / prophets and/or break halacha just to instigate.
One that sins merely because he has a lust or weakness for a particular sin does NOT fall into this category. Rather, he is judged as any other Jew would be.
One of your best posts hesh.
Any man who bares his soul like that gets moucho respect from me. Rock on!
Now that’s what blogging’s all about. Great post!
Wow!
Posts like these raise my respect and enhance my understanding of you.
Good Shabbos!
Thank you for writing this bit of an autobiographical sketch. I appreciate your explanation of how you honestly came by your outspoken streak.
Being descended from R Shlomo Gansfried is just Kitzur Yichus. Nice piece though, good work! (MDS! Booo!)
i love the
“humbled heshy post”,
they are priceless…
they happen once every 4-6 months, usually when he does something really over the line or borderline vulgar– but this is a good change up, it really my favorite writing he does because its the most honest.. he can keep the satire, i mean some of its funny, not terribly funny but funny and i do laugh at much of what he writes, but this is the good stuff.
really i just read this blog to kvetch or argue at the contriversial posts…
OTD — dude a true test to see if someone is pissed is to keep saying their pissed if they get pissed because you keep insisting theyre pissed,, then with out a doubt that have been and will continue to be pissed. in other words heshy struck a nerve and we can see it in your manifestation.
I didn’t know you liked Economics, Heshy! That’s excellent.