This was posted the other day in response to the post Is the word goy offensive?
Hello all,
I’m not sure if this will post or not. I have been learning a lot reading these posts. I have a bit of insomnia tonight and looked up the word “goyim” to find out what it meant.
My neighbor told me it was used in a temple he was planning on attending and he was very offended at its use. He told me about it (a non-jew) and so curiosity finally got me. I’ll have to say, there are other words on here that I’ll have to look into. Here is my take on the word, from what I know as a gentile.
I will not use the word as I speak English and the word “gentile” suits me just fine. I found it amusing that some who have posted here said they use goy because it’s easier to say than “gentile” or “non-jew” and they are full of it. Especially after looking at words they used in their postings in which they could have used shorter words; you know, less key strokes and therefore easier to type. Gimme a break!
I think the word use in an officious manner is ok, but the slang useage is insulting and the speaker knows in his heart how its used. If my neighbor, who is also my friend, was in the company of other jews and I came across the street and he said “Here comes my goy friend.” I would be insulted. Why not just say, “Here comes my friend.” Same as if my friend, who is black, comes to me and I’m with other friends who are white. I wouldn’t say, “here comes my black friend.” I would say, “here comes my friend.”
Sometmes differences are obvious and don’t need to be orated. Why the constant indicators of difference we put on people; jews and non-jews alike? I’m not talking political correctness because PC is incorrect.
Some of the things I read coming from jewish folks in these posts amazed me. The arrogance and notions of superiority that some have about themselves were shocking. Because one is a Jew, does not make one better than gentiles. Did we not all come from the stock of Adam? Didn’t Abraham come from the loins of the “goy” until God chose him to be set apart? Set apart does not mean superior. Didn’t anyone learn history from Nazi Germany on superiority complexes? Or the arrogance of God’s light bearer? Anybody here read what happened to Israel in Ezekiel? God will spank His kids if they misbehave and He has used the goyim to do it. Another thought that occurred to me, was that those who are having superior feelings of being jewish, should stop and look around at what country they are living in. If it’s not Israel, then they should be grateful to the gentile nation they are living in. Especially if they are being treated well. I’m not trying to sound antisemetic, I’m tired and trying to make a point. It’s like, if you want to get all uppity about being jewish and looking down your noses at gentiles, then go to Israel because that’s the land God promised jewish folks.
Now here’s someting else to chew on. I became a Christian at the age of 12. True Christians and true Jews worship the same God. The BIG difference is that we (Christians) believe the Messiah has come and will come again to reign in all His power and glory. That being said, I love the jewish nation because my Savior is Jewish. To hate jews would be to hate my Messiah. I’m also to love God with all my heart and soul and love my neighbor as myself. So because of that I try really hard not to have a prideful outlook on myself. God is not a respecter of persons, He sends the rain on the just and the unjust. And I believe He looks at the heart of how someone is saying “goy” so I’d advise you to check yourself, when using the word.
Chris_B November 3, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Needless to say, I really enjoyed this one.
Bella November 3, 2009 at 2:19 pm
I have to agree with you…all of us need to check ourselves when we decide to be judgemental and aren’t perfect ourselves…my father was a ‘goy’ yet he was a wonderful person. My mother is a jew. Many frummies have smirked when I make that comment. All I have to say is…yes people…there are nice people outside of our community that are just as decent and kind. Free your mind!
Ber November 3, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Isn’t calling people “frummies” the same thing?
almostfrum November 3, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I think of it more as a term of affection…at least in the context in which I use it! If I offended anyone, I apologize, since I am frum (or almost) myself!
Heshy Fried November 3, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Not if you are one – kind of black people calling each other the N word
Ber November 3, 2009 at 2:38 pm
I am not offended by this, i just thought it was ironic the way Bella used it.
Nevertheless, when you refer to frummies you are usually referring to frum people who are different in their “frumness” than you. So it’s not at all the same as the comparison to black people.
almostfrum November 3, 2009 at 2:42 pm
That’s cool–though there are so many varying degrees and levels of frumness that it can be dizzying!! One term could not possibly fit that bill…
I do think it is the same as using the N word by a black in this case, because I used it as a term of affection…not at all in a condescending tone, I promise.
almostfrum November 3, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Btw: Bella=almostfrum.
noooochim November 3, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Nice posting. For a goy.
Anonymous November 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm
What the gehennom is this shaygatz talking about?
Heshy Fried November 3, 2009 at 2:30 pm
haha
almostfrum November 3, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Unrelated…Heshy how do I put an avatar on my profile? Any easy way to do that since I cannot seem to find how to? Thanks.
Heshy Fried November 3, 2009 at 9:28 pm
I think you need to make a wordpress account to do it
Anonymous November 3, 2009 at 2:41 pm
I would disagree, Jews clearly believe, based on their texts that they are God’s chosen people, until Abraham we may all have been equal (or had the potential to be equal) but from that point on God’s love was given to one family. Jews believe that we are the continuation of that “choice” of God – Christians, from what I understand, see God as having made a new choice. They are more than welcome to believe that. As to our “Gentile” Friends comments that chosen implies superiority and that makes one a nazi, I would have to disagree. God’s choice demands greater responsibility greater dedication it forces no expression of superiority. The thought that superiority means one needs to kill all “inferior” races is a curious jump and is in no way demanded of a people who sees themselves as chosen.
almostfrum November 3, 2009 at 2:49 pm
So, chosen doesn’t necessarily mean better…
“God’s choice demands greater responsibility greater dedication it forces no expression of superiority.” Well said.
spidey November 3, 2009 at 3:17 pm
“With great power comes great responsibility”
Anonymous November 3, 2009 at 3:35 pm
No one said anything about power
jude folly November 3, 2009 at 3:55 pm
really enjoy imput from individuals outside the community. just a friendly reminder that any inflated sense of self always benefits from a depressed or defeated ego propping it up (given the history of torment and abuse endured by the jewish community, i think an occasional gloat could be tolerated). also would like to point out that a few in the religious community (myself included) sometimes affectionately refer to j.c. as ‘imach shmo’ … so, please no more k’vetching about harmless labels.
Lady-Light November 3, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Even though the word ‘goy’ literally means ‘nation,’ when used in conversation it very often has a negative conversation. So in a sense, I agree with this goy…er…guy.
Anonymous November 3, 2009 at 5:27 pm
this is why comedy is run by the jews…freakin sensitive goyim crying all over the place.gimme a break! Telling us to go to Israel!! f#*k you, ur the arrogent peice of shite! Even ur messiah was a jew (who by the way looked like a hassid!) Why cant u pick ur own from all the goys out there? Oh yeah its cause yids rock with their cut coks kiiiiidddd!!!!
FarFrumIt November 3, 2009 at 8:27 pm
“cause yids rock”
I am insulted by your derogatory usage of “yid.”
Ariella November 3, 2009 at 7:23 pm
or how about SYs calling ashkenaz folks Jdubs…where the fuck does that come from? as in “Why are you marrying a Jdub Ari” *Eyeroll*
Observer November 3, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Well, to quote a misleading-but-often-useful sentence from Hayakawa, “Words don’t mean; people mean.” Until I was in my forties, I considered the word “goy” derogatory. Even after I learned the meaning of the Hebrew word, and its use in the Chumash, it was clear that most current usage was derogatory. Then I ran into people who apparently weren’t anti-goy who sometimes used the word in a context in which it was obviously not derogatory. Actually, ran into MORE people, because, in fact, my mother had occasionally used the word in the phrase “goyishe manners,” meaning good manners she thought more likely found among goyim than among yidn. As a matter of fact, I attacked her usage as anti-Jewish, to which she replied, “What can I tell you?”
Anyway, the word is used different ways by different people. Usually, its use implies something negative, if not about goyim, then about the user. But not always.
Phil November 3, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Fact # 1: Judaism deems Jews on a higher spiritual level than non Jews.
Fact # 2: Judaism deems Jews on a higher moral level.
Fact # 3: Judaism deems Jews as the chosen people.
These facts being said, the author does bring a good point about us needing to be grateful for being allowed to live and practice our religion in their land in abslute freedom. And unfortunately, many practising Jews have sunken to moral levels lower than common criminals.
As for the word “goy”, it’s by far less offensive than shaygetz or shiksa. In most cases it’s intended use is not offensive.
Adam November 3, 2009 at 11:16 pm
I think it’s all about context. When my Polish immigrant Yiddish speaking grandparents used words like goy or shvartze , there’s no mean-spiritedness or bigotry toward non-Jews or blacks. When we born Jewish Americans use these words, they do usually have whiff of these.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin doesn’t even like the term “righteous gentile” used by Jews because he feels like the phrase implies the two words shouldn’t normally go together. How’d we like it if non-Jews gave us an annual “honest Jewish businessman” award?
HERB February 4, 2010 at 9:31 am
So true!
‘He’s a good nigger’ is not a compliment!
I am a Catholic by birth, agnostic by choice. My Jewish friends often refer to me as a Goy, and it’s done with much love. While the speaker knows what’s in his heart, unfortunately the listener may not, therein lies the problem.
Avrumy November 4, 2009 at 12:11 am
IMHO, using the wordgoy is not offensive when referring to a non-Jew in conversation with other Jews. But using the word gay to refer to something stupid is insulting.
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS0GVOQPs0
Anonymous November 4, 2009 at 2:36 pm
“using the word gay to refer to something stupid is insulting”
Agreed. And using the word “gay” to refer to something homosexual is stupid.
??? November 4, 2009 at 12:17 am
Listen this is a site generally intended for the Jewish community. Some of what this article said may be valid however, this is not the place for it, and your tone is seriously not appreciated. Every community has its outlet and specific issues. If you are not a part of the community then it is easy to take things out of context and misunderstand comments that people make. It would be like an older person reading a teenage blog and being offended by everything. In such a case, it is mostly a matter of a generational and cultural gap. And who do you think you are telling us to go to Israel? that G-d will spank his children? I suggest you find a new past time..,. making “subtle” threats on a Jewish website is just not something a good Christian should be spending his time doing.
HERB February 4, 2010 at 9:40 am
While I certainly don’t agree with everything the poster said, I beg to differ with your initial comment. If all you want is reinforcement for your own thoughts and prejudices, then make it a private club. As long as it is a website, it automatically invites any and all comments, both good and bad. The only way you will ever learn anything is to hear the opinions of a diverse group of people. That is the very definition of learning.
‘Private club’ and ‘isolated’ and ”reinforcement of what I believe to be true without inspection’ are all tenets of a decadent and doomed society.
FrumCurious November 4, 2009 at 12:36 am
My first reaction (halfway into the piece) was “yeah, he’s right”, but telling us to go to Israel if we want to be uppity is just fucking rude. Goy is not an offensive word, it’s relative to the situation you’re in.
“Since *I* speak English and the word gentile suits me just fine.” – yeah, so what? I use Yiddish phrases in my every day speech, you want a cookie for speaking English?
There’s assholes everywhere you go – it crosses social, cultural and all kinds of other boundaries. If you don’t like it, don’t go on websites where Jews are the main demographic.
How many times have I met uppity christians, been treated unfairly in the military by assholes that tell me to go to my “rituals” on friday nights, etc. I think with all the bullshit we’ve had to put up with over the years, we might be a *little* more pre-dispositioned to be proud of who we are.
To the debbie downers that have to nitpick every detail: Everything I’ve just said is open to being corrected, debated, me being told “you’re wrong and you’re stupid for this, this, and this reason” blah blah, it’s just my opinion. Don’t get all pissed.
Sheindy November 4, 2009 at 10:22 am
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FrumGer November 4, 2009 at 11:41 am
Phil- hey man what do we need to be grateful for? we should thank the goyim to allow us to practice our religion?? bullshit. we don’t have to thank them, its not there place or anyones place to tell anyone else what religion to follow. I thank Goyim for nothing, they suddenly get nice in the past 80 years (because of guilt) after 2000 years of hate murder rape and violence, and we should thank them??? No way.
Writer of this post-
Please don’t act like christianity does not denote superiority- they all think everyone that does not bow down to there man- god is going to burn in hell for all eternity. I proudly use the term goyim in many derogitory ways- Goyisher koph, Goyta, Goyim, Goy..
see what you AS A GOY don’t understand is that We are yidden, those of us that have scruples about our religion and keep its dictums ARE DIFFERENT, we do not eat in the same places, we do not wear the same clothes (Tzitzit Yarmulke ETC) and
WE DO NOT WORSHIP THE SAME G_D!!!!
Christianity worships a false god, you have created a graven image of G-d- an idol to worship, you worship what you think G-d is not what He really is. I KNOW..- I was a born and lived my early years christian. i was an orphan and lived in many christian homes- I have been involved in penticostal churches, Baptist churches, presbitirian churches and even episcopalian churches. I went to christian private schools as a youth and probably know the new testament better than you do.
that being said- I know that christians have an aire of superiority just like any other religion, probably more so. I use Goyim, because it is a strong word with an untranslatable meaning. and we even say that secular jews that are not observant are goyishe. the term goyishe can mean you drive on shabbos or eat non kosher food. let me ask you do you drive on shabbos and eat non kosher foods? of course you do, so then the term goyishe has a great strong meaning.
secondly, To use the term Goy- can most definatly be derogitory, meaning you are different (you are) and you don’t understand us (you don’t) but conversly we understand you.
see being different is ok. segregation is ok. diversity is ok. goyim want to make everyone in the world goyim. Goyim want us to look like you. if you had it your way you would “lead everyone on this blog to Christ and let his blood cleanse us of our sins and save us from hell”..
you hate subconsiously our difference, you hate with a passion the Devil that makes us jews deny your savior.. but you don’t even know why you believe all that shit. you have never studied the founding of your religion and how it has more pagan roots than a christmas tree. you have never studied on mithra the god of the Sun who was worshipped on sunday and was born dec 25 (winter solsice) who was born of as the savior of his father athura mazda- called the king of kins lord of lords. you have never placed the similarities of a half god half man with the stories much older than yours, herecles achillies gilgamesh etc. you beleive satan is lucifer ( a tradition started in the middle ages) and really you fallow more of the teachings of paul ( a man who never met jesus) than the teachings of your jewish rabbi ( yeshua ha natzrine) Jesus. you are convinced about a brain dead religion, that can be debunked as easy as opening the new testament. you believe it blindly in and arrogantly, and the goyim set up jews for jesus campaigns to try to trick us into it. you act like jews and talk like jews to lull us into your religion. fristly they tried converting us, then they tried killing us then they just walled us in then they tried a mass extermination, and now the goytim do the most dirtiest form of antisemitism, acting like us to convert us. Goyim won’t ever leave us alone.
and we just want you to leave us the hell alone. we don’t need your apologies we don’t want anymore F#ing holocaust memorials built by you, just leave us be. you say go to yisrael? see that right there says that there is still that seed in side every goy that hates the different jews. you all hate muslims too. i have been there in church, if you go to a religious church, with principles, (not a left wing gay-fest church ) you believe i am going to burn in hell and that i am a heathen. don’t beleive me? what if your daughter wanted to marry a strict muslim?? never happen. why because you would be in fear that he would lead her astray and she would wind up burning in hell forever because she denyed Jesus’ being anything more than a prophet.
I have no problem with individuals i have many goy friends that i love dearly, the term goyim applys more to your traits, i.e. what you do or don’t do… (not eating kosher, not keeping the sabbath, not doing jewish things)
The term does not mean who you are. I don’t hate goyim, i hate the act of violating the sabbath, i hate the act of eating pork i hate the act of worshipping false gods. I love many goyims personalities and would hang out with them anytime. but then you can’t understand that because you can’t understand the term goyim, its easy to just shrugg it off and say its like using the n word, its not. but you cant be a goyim to understand that.
BUT A GOY IS A GOY.
Stating the obvious December 27, 2012 at 1:51 am
No air of superiority there at all. Your G-D is no more based in fact than their God. Simply the desperate clawing of the doomed to try and make sense of this life. When you’re time here is done all the rituals and worshipping in the world won’t make a lick of difference, you’ll end up just as dead and gone as anyone else. You may in the interim however try to work on the bitterness about your upbringing. Blaming an entire race for your own shortcomings will only further fuel the negative outlook that you’re burdening yourself with. But it’s your cross to bear, so good luck with that. Oh and check your use of “there” vs “their”
Catholic Mom December 27, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Isn’t there a law that says that any post that contains a reference to another poster’s grammatical/spelling errors will have a grammatical/spelling error in it? Check out your use of “you’re” vs “your” (as in “when you’re time”).
But it is interesting that he states that all churches say that he is going to burn in hell except for the left-wing “gay fest” churches. Apparently if there is one thing that pi&&es him off more than being told he’s going to hell, its telling gays they’re NOT going to hell.
Phil November 4, 2009 at 11:58 am
Frumger,
Take a lesson from the Torah that teaches not to hate the Egyptians because we were “geirim” in their country, this despite the horrible slavery they put us through for over 200 years.
How much more so should we be grateful to countries like the US and Canada, that send their finest young soldiers to liberate us for the nazis, opened their doors to us after the holocaust when we had nowhere to go, allow us to live as Jews openly, and even respect our holidays.
Yes their are many antisemites everywhere, but how many other countries on the globe even tolerate us? Can you imagine a frum Jew walking to shul wearing a tallis in Damascus, Baghdad or Beirut?
kissmei'mshomer November 4, 2009 at 11:58 am
Interesting post – I agree with the poster that the term “goy” is often used negatively and/or as a needless qualifier. However, I can also see why some people would be rubbed the wrong way by lines like “God will spank His kids if they misbehave” or “It’s like, if you want to get all uppity about being jewish and looking down your noses at gentiles…”
That said, I think some of the comments here have been quite harsh.
Frum But Fun November 4, 2009 at 11:59 am
I am personally not so fond with the yiddish terms Goy, Shagetz, Shiksha, or Shvartze. Even the term “frie” ( however you spell it – for non religious Jew) bothers me a bit. These words are not often used in my vocabulary. People are people regardless of their racial and religious background. We may not see eye to eye nor have to agree to other’s faiths or ideologies but we do live in a country where everyone is free to practice ( or not worship ) their religion in any way they want to ( honor killings, female genital mutilations and human sacrifices are excluded ). We should treat each other with respect. Yes I find those yiddish terms offensive to a certain degree as well as some of the four letter expletives that some of your readers use. You know who you are and you should be ashamed with yourself if you have any shame or remorse. That kind of language belongs at a bar or a super ball game.
Talia November 4, 2009 at 3:51 pm
I couldn’t get through all the comments today (short attention span…) but the post was great. I think if we, as Jews, want to be treated equally and fairly, we need to treat our neighbors that way as well.
Now, to all the people who say we are chosen, look at the word… it could also mean tested. G-d chose us to be tested. We have a special place but so do Christians and Muslims. You don’t have to be one of them to appreciate them. I just hope they can someday feel the same way (some do… some wanna obliterate us).
We know the word chosen is a hot button… why do we use it? It just adds fuel to the fire. When my Christian friends complain to me about that I tell them about the tested part. They get that.
And as for goy… yeah, it’s just like other words that weren’t intended as nasty but have been made into insults.
Goy, shiksa, the ‘N’ word, Jew even! You can use Jew in an insulting way. Don’t be a Jew or Don’t Jew the waitress… that’s SO offensive. And like the writer says… why do we need to classify or point out our blatant differences? There is enough in this world that separates us, we should try to see the person and not the religion or skin color.
Chris_B November 4, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Some of these replies made me feel sick.
Phil, FWIW one can look as frum as they like in Japan and catch no static for it. Maybe a couple glances but no more than any other foreigner gets.
Phil November 4, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Chris,
Even the Chinese communists provided safe haven for thousands of Jews during WW2, and continue to allow Chabad houses to flourish in any part of their country where Jews are to be found.
As far as the deep hatred many have for “goyim”, can you blame them? A nation that has by far been the most persecuted by the church for 2000 years can’t be expected to just forgive and forget. As the term “goyim” was generally used by ashkenazim under christian rule, goyim were generally identified as mean drunk peasants ready to rob, rape, pillage and murder Jews any the the priest riled them up.
Regardless, we need to give credit where it’s due. There were many goyim that risked their lives for us over the centuries, and many lands gave us refuge when no one else would.
Chris_B November 4, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I dont deny any of the history of persecution and dont wish to white wash it by any means, but if nothing else for the simple reason that I’ve got non Jewish family it would embarrass me to no end were a Jewish friend to use that word in reference to any relative of mine.
Phil November 4, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Chris,
Reminds me of an joke. The Southern baptist preacher’s son decides to convert to Judaism. When he finally “comes out” to his family about his decision on the day of his conversion, they freak out. They threaten hellfire, brimstone and an eternity of damnation, aften calling and crying to all their relatives.
After a couple hours of this, the son finally says “I’ve only been Jewish for a few hours, but I’m already starting to hate goyim”.
Talia November 4, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Hey Phil… I understand your pain and sadness but you must not paint the whole religion or nation with one brush.
You call upon thousands of years of persecution… I can call on personal experiences. Having swastikas carved into my locker, people walking up to me in the hallways at school feeling my head for my horns, being called a dirty Jew bitch… all of those could make me hate Christians but I have also met some redeeming and wonderful people who are Christians and Muslims. I have Muslim friends in Jerusalem who have been close with my family for two generations. And some of my closest friends are “goyim.”
You can hate them with all your fervor and energy but that’s all you will get back… hate and bile. Try agreeing to disagree and fight the fights that are important. An ignorant child who called me a Jew bitch didn’t need the punch in the face I gave him… he needed a new minister who could teach him tolerance and that Jews are not the enemy.
Educate, don’t spit vile hatred… though I am sure you are about to spew it on me for responding to you.
Talia November 4, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Whoops! Sorry Phil…. part of that was directed and FrumGer but my computer blinked.
Talia November 4, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Okay… 0 for 2 at this point… Guess I need dinner cause I can’t focus on what my editing.
FrumGer November 5, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Phil,
I am not thankful to america for anything, they only liberated the jews from the nazi’s when they absolutly had to, the american jewish community plead with congress for years about what was going on, and not until it served their purpose to do so did they do anything. that is americas big plith, they come in at the last moment and when the spotlight is on and it suits their purpose and get all the credit. I should not thank anyone for “allowing me to worship” its no one’s right on earth to dictate such things. i should thank them? nu,.. should the slave thank the master for the scrapes he lays at his feet? i pay my taxes and i am due my rights as a human. America did not invent this, Magna Carta.. Habius Corpus these come from England etc etc… i am not going to thank the goyim for not persicuting me, they have no right to do so in the first place. As far as Mitzraim is concerned- dually noted. I Do not hate Goyim, I have no real problem with Goyim exept when it pertains to the treatment of Yidden. I certainly am not going to thank them for anything. But in the same token Christianity is just as elitist as anything else probably more so, we Jews say you don’t have to be one of us to have agood afterlife, but christians in the fundaments of their dogma, states that we jews will die and go to hell. that they are the new Israel, because we turned our backs on G-d. because we are so stuck up doing torah we have lost sight of G-d. how arrogant is that? how elitist is that? people can try and ignore that fact, and say let us all live together in peace, but really the christian will always try to convert the Jew so that he can save him from hell. and if he wont convert, then lets send them somewhere else so that they don’t influence our people. here is a fact, the reason jews are not treated terrible here in the us has really nothing to do with our government, it has EVERYTHING to do with the film and television industry. an industry founded by Jews that have shaped the minds of the goyim in these past 80 years. it may be a stereotype but it is true, the movie industry was founded built and currently maintained by many many jews. So really Jews are to be thanked for the freedom we have today.
Talia, listen i don’t hate anyone, i certainly don’t hate goyim. But they are different…. and to mark that difference is going to happen. the terms goyim or gentile, this is just semantics, it has to do with connotation, because i could say “your a dirty pig eating gentile… ” or i could say ” well they celebrate easter because they are goyim…” either one can be offensive or not offensive. it has to do with connotation. i will say i have used both many many times in negitive and positive ways.
Chris_b I must say i say goyim to my extended family all the time because that is what they are…
Bottom line this post is elitist, haughty, and arrogant… this little goyta learned a word that he in his goyisher koph cant understand because he is a shagetz and should use his sekel to stick to his shtick..
Phil November 5, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Frumger,
I think you are mistaken about certain concepts. You take the right to observe one’s religion in another country for granted.
When we were in charge of Israel at the time of the first and second beit Hamikdash, other nations didn’t have the right to observe their religion in our land. You had converts (ger tzedek) and semi converts (ger toshav). All had to submit to our religion, none were allowed to practice avoda zara, paganism, etc.
Throughout the centuries, most countries weren’t open to other religions practising in their lands, Jews and some others were tolerated at best, and that often changed when a new anti semitic priest, imam or ruler came into power.
America is the first nation in a long time to allow Jews to settle, practice and observe Judaism with an openess not even seen in modern day Israel. Up until about 40 years ago, resorts near Montreal (and I’m sure American cities too) still had laws prohibiting Jews from owning or renting property their.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that goyim in general are great people. I’ll be the first to spit at a church or mosque when passing by. But there are friends of Jews among the nations even if they are a minority.
Back to the goyim debate, the context is definitely the deciding factor. Nothing wrong with referring to a “Shabbos goy”, worse to refer to a “farshtunkene goy”.
Lady-Light November 5, 2009 at 1:41 pm
“I thank Goyim for nothing, they suddenly get nice in the past 80 years (because of guilt) after 2000 years of hate murder rape and violence, and we should thank them??? No way.”
FrumGer, you are historically correct in what you say about non-Jews and also about America’s response to the Shoah.
The only reason we as Jews have ever, by our speech or in any other way “discriminated’ against non-Jews, is because:
1) Our Torah tells us that G-d told us to separate from them, not to practice idolatry, and be a highly moral and ethical people, and
2) Because of their hatred and yes–jealousy–towards us they have plundered, murdered and forced us to convert upon pain of death, and generally committed atrocities against us over the centuries.
At best, these atrocities were by inaction, as when holding back during World War II when the U.S.A. could have at least bombed the railroad tracks to stop the cattle cars leading millions of Jews to their deaths in the concentration camps.
I try to be respectful of others, no matter who they are. But I will not pretend that this history never happened. They have much to ask forgiveness for. . .
dude November 5, 2009 at 7:24 pm
yoshke was a frum Jew and deserves respect for opposing the goyim occupiers and the goy Herod who installed himself as king in the land and the goyim who were calling themselves kohanim. paul was a strung out freak like muhammad and joseph smith who decided that he had a special revelation that no one else got. which is why the torah tells us not to believe it when one person says they have a new word from the ribbono shel oylem that changes everything. bottom line is that yoshke would hate christianity if he were alive and would have nothing to do with it, so if the putative founder wouldn’t follow it, why would anyone else.
anonymous November 5, 2009 at 11:42 pm
I am amazing at some of the diatribes above…maybe because I was raised by idealistic parents (who are FFB’s believe it or not)…a lot of the terms /posts above come off as unrefined, and yes, offensive.
Frumger, I defended your viewpoint/comment on a previous post, but I can’t do so here. I am offended by it and I *am* a frum Jew.
dude November 6, 2009 at 2:00 am
i hold by ‘eliyahu and the example in melokhim ‘aleph at 18.27, that mocking illogical and idiotic religions is the right thing to do:
at lunchtime ‘eliyahu mocked them, saying, call with a loud voice, for he is a god. maybe he’s chatting or he is sitting on the toilet or he is on holiday. maybe he’s taking a snooze and will wake up.
also by ramba”m that it is a mitzvoh to destroy idols, mitzvoh ‘oseh #185.
there is no mitzvoh to make nochrim feel good about their idiocy and thereby help them perpetuate stupidity among Jews.
Anonymous November 6, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Irrespective of the blogers thoughts, I found the replies for the most part completely off base with the foul language and quite frankly the antipathy if not hatred for non Jews. While the remarks about Jews were treated over the centuries was accurate, the replies were more virulent than I would ever had expected. Most notable was the spelling, it was atrocious at best. I assume some of that had to do with the way people write on the internet, but for the most part many seemed uneducated and downright hostile.
I agree that the context in which the word “goy” is written or spoken is what determines whether it is an insult or simply an adjective, but no matter how you say it and even when I say it , it does have a derogatory connotation, otherwise, we woudn’t use it. However, by the same token, the writer makes more out of it than he should. If the word is not directed at him or his family, than why or for what reason someone uses it is simply not his concern. That doesn’t make it right, just not his concern.
Being G-d’s chosen people doesn’t mean and never meant “superior” to others. As I understand it, it means to follow and lead others to follow G-d’s precepts. Alan
Sol November 7, 2009 at 2:53 pm
“…the film and television industry. an industry founded by Jews that have shaped the minds of the goyim in these past 80 years. it may be a stereotype but it is true, the movie industry was founded built and currently maintained by many many jews.”
So you are blaming the mass of filth in movies and on TV on JEWS?
Sol November 7, 2009 at 3:07 pm
“Israel…that’s the land God promised jewish folks.”
Yes, from the river of Egypt (the Pelusian Nile? the wadi el-Arish?) to the Euphrates. Has modern day Israel openly laid claim to this area? If Israel took this region it would include now-Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq southwest of the Euphrates, Syria, all absolutely chock full of Arabs. Unless Israel faded away into the desert, it would take in Saudi Arabia and the emirates. No wonder the Arabs are hostile. Are they all “Canaanites,” to be driven out or killed?
G-d only promised restoration to Israel if she repented. Has modern day Israel repented? She is ruled, it appears to me, mostly by atheists and agnostics. How can they truly repent except they acknowledge G-d?
Anonymous November 9, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Sol-
no I am not blaming filth on the jews as a whole, but there is a lot of filth put in the air with jewish people behind it. just as there are a lot of jewish pornographers, a lot of jewish gonif bankers, a lot of shmaltzy lawyers, etc … these things cannot be denied, there are jews out there making chillul Hashem… i am not getting all protocols of zion here.. i am merely saying that the film and television ind. has single handedly been in my opinion the biggest race equifier, and it was an industry founded by jews.
who else brought jews to the eyes of heartland america other than the entertainment industry?? what other industry casted a good light on jews, bringing many of the comedians of the borcsht belt to the entire US. before tv and movies, there was much antisemitism in america, now its an afterthought almost. ( it does exist sure but not like it used to) why? because the so many of goyims favorite actors were jewish. then they found out- hey these guys arent so bad…
what is it with yidden that want to deny a steroetypes and immediatly jump to “thats antisemetic”… guess what wake up! read the last names on most movie credits, Go wikipedia a great deal of your favorite actors, directors, music performers, etc many are jewish!! for good or bad…
Phil- Eretz Yisroel is different. Hashem set the one true theocracy up, and that is why we could restict and dictate who and what was worshipped in the land. we has that right because we were charged by G-d to do so…. but Goyim are not charged by G-d to do the same to us.
You see your logic is based on the idea that truth and morality is relative not absolute. i believe that in the case of goyim their truth and morality is relative to their persective, not fact. the fact is that there is only one truth and that is the Torah. So then we can restrict religion in Eretz Yisroel because Hashem charged us to do so. but Goyim have no right to do the same because their truth is based on relativity, I.E. lies and falsehood. in other words its OK by G-d for us to do that, its not OK by G-d for them to do the same… unless you argue that morality is relative for yidden as well… which then why do you believe the Torah?
Dude-
totally agree with you, especially about Yoshke—- Rabbi shmuley often says that the goyim stole Jesus from us and its time we take him back, in his jewish rabbinical context of course, and not as moshiach..
Phil November 10, 2009 at 8:57 am
Anon,
If God can set us up with a theocracy because we follow Judaism, then, according to islam, allah set them up with the same. Obviously, we believe we’re right and they believe they’re right.
Anyway, the Torah doesn’t expect goyim to be nice to us. In fact, it specifically tells us to deal with them the same way they deal with us in some places by not having pity on them, the implications are obvious.
Where do you base your theory about them having to accomodate us while we don’t have to reciprocate?
Heshy Fried November 10, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I heard a mussar shiur last night and the Rabbi basically said that Ephron publicly said he would give the machpala to Avraham for free but privately he accepted his offer – the Rabbis point – a pretty damn nasty point was that Goyim aren’t nice to Jews on the inside only on the outside – he meant it too.
FrumGer November 12, 2009 at 12:34 pm
OOPS I WAS THAT ANON A COUPLE POST BACK, I was using a different computer and forgot to fill in my name..
phil– again, you are speaking as if truth is relative. the goyim have set up theocracy in the past the roman catholic church and eurpoe, the ottoman empire for the muslims, these were theocracies. but they base their right to do so on falsehoods. that is why it is ok for us, to set one up and not the goyim, because we worship the one true G-d, they worship an image of G-d that they have created, they have formed and shaped G-d into something he is not, which to me is the basis of Idol worship. That is why we have the right to do something, and they do not.
about your question about accomodation and reciprocity… we have to acommodate many things that they do not. we have to eat kosher, they do not , our men have a brit milah, theirs do not. we have a great deal many things we have to do that they do not. so i would say that in the terms of fairness, its our right to be leaders, we are chosen to be so. our we better, No.. different yes. are we their leaders, yes. do we have spiritual authority on this earth and on the people in it, yes. just as a manager is set incharge of his workers from the owner, so to us with the nations of the earth.
Goyim don’t have to be nice to us, sure, but they are supposed to be. they don’t have to be nice just like i don’t have to be shomer shabbos but that doen’s mean i would not pay for it if i was not. they will pay for their cruelty. they will. here or there, now or later they will pay for it.
HERB February 4, 2010 at 10:01 am
Frumger, you have a serious problem. You really should get mental and spiritual guidance. The hatred that spews forth from you is frightening.
anonymous April 14, 2010 at 10:14 pm
I know it has been said, that if forgotten history repeats itself. But then; if history is held too closely, then there is even less chance of not repeating it. History is meant to be learned from and dare I say it – forgiven.
G-d did make the Jewish people a light among the Nations. Did you know He also gives the Nations the drive to look for that light? They will not stop looking for it, even if you guys go to great lengths to hide it among yourselves. The Nations get frustrated looking for it from time to time. Why not let them see more of your goodness and what G-d and the Torah teach you?
anon June 20, 2011 at 7:45 am
“Didn’t anyone learn history from Nazi Germany on superiority complexes?”
What exactly are you trying to say here? Are you comparing Jews to Nazis?
“they should be grateful to the gentile nation they are living in”
The gentile nations in which they live should be grateful to them. It is well known that Jews contribute wildly beyond their numbers to the arts, science, commerce, social justice etc, etc, etc* wherever they are, (even with university quotas, for much of American history, and other restrictions against them). Many of American achievements are in fact Jewish achievements.
“Especially if they are being treated well.”
So Jews should show fawning subservience for being allowed to live, even if they are badly treated, and whoah, if they are well-treated, they should scrape even lower.
To sum up what youare saying is that Jews may be tolerated outside of Israel as long as they show their due gratitude for being allowed to live. Any other attitude on their part makes them akin to Nazis.
There are bigots and racists amongst every group of people. From your writing I would include you among them.
ps: luckily for me I live in Israel, so you do not expect me to bow down to the gentiles around me.
*At least 181 Jews and people of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 22% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2010, and constituting 36% of all US recipients2 during the same period.3 In the research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Physics, and Physiology/Medicine, the corresponding world and US percentages are 26% and 39%, respectively. Among women laureates in the four research fields, the Jewish percentages (world and US) are 38% and 50%, respectively. Of organizations awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, 25% were founded principally by Jews or by people of half-Jewish descent. (Jews currently make up approximately 0.2% of the world’s population and 2% of the US population.)
Chemistry (31 prize winners, 20% of world total, 27% of US total)
Economics (28 prize winners, 42% of world total, 55% of US total)
Literature (13 prize winners, 12% of world total, 27% of US total)
Peace (9 prize winners, 9% of world total, 10% of US total)4
Physics (47 prize winners, 25% of world total, 36% of US total)
Physiology or Medicine (53 prize winners, 27% of world total, 40% of US total)
Matthew January 9, 2012 at 11:45 pm
I don’t think “Goy” is offensive 100% of the time, but the term you use, “True Jew” definitely is. What is a True Jew? All Jews are equally Jewish, just as all people are equal. Does being religious make somebody more desirable or more “true?” that’s absurd.
Theodor Herzl was an Atheist. How about them apples?
CatholicMonarchy November 1, 2012 at 12:14 am
Jews are a cancer on the earth. you have no relation to to Abraham or Moses spiritualy. you adopted the soul of babylon and are of your father the devil. We EUROPEAN Catholics invented every good fruit today. including civil rights the collage, university, and hospital. You Jews are the goyim. True Roman Catholics are the chosen. You are scum. and you know it.
Huh November 1, 2012 at 10:50 pm
You are a retard and you know it
CatholicMonarchist November 2, 2012 at 8:08 am
My Iq is 160. I think im doing ok in the intel department.
Huh November 2, 2012 at 8:27 am
Yeah, and I’m Barack Obama. Is this story hour?
CatholicMonarchist November 2, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Where does what I am saying make me look retarded in your view? Honestly, what I am saying is Truth and I can back it up so call me a retard all you want, I have debated many “Rabbi’s” non of which could refute the traditional talking points of the European Catholic Monarchical position which literally obliterates the modernist “Jew World Order” policy of lies and deceit. Do you feel lucky? Try me.
Huh November 3, 2012 at 10:02 am
Not a single thing you said was accurate. So either you’re trolling for a reaction or you’re one of the dumbest cretins in the universe.
Roman Catholics are not the chosen. Try reading your own texts.
As for inventions, Roman Catholics cannot boast of even half the inventions that Jews can.
They have you but I’m certain that’s nothing anyone would want to boast about.
CatholicMonarchist November 3, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Fool. I study Catholic cannon law., and I grew up in a Jewish home. I was very close to becoming and Orthodox Jew myself. The Fruits of Christendom are self evident. All one needs to do is open there eyes. As I said, The Catholic Church invented the Hospital (as we now know it), the University, the collage, civil rights (as we now know them). Byzantine Catholic monks ALONE kept literacy alive during the dark ages, and taught agriculture to the western word ( as we know it today) In other words the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization. Not even to mention the Saints and the countless miracles they have performed around the world.
Your second point that The Catholics are not the chosen by Roman Catholics own texts is hilarious. Here is proof that The Catholics are the Chosen as has always been taught by the Church.
(The Once-Chosen People Are Now The Accursed Race
Compiled by Mike Malone
We present here quotes from the Popes, Doctors, Fathers and Saints of the Roman Catholic Church maintaining that the Jews are rejected by God and cursed for murdering Jesus.
Christ shall be slain, and the people who shall deny Him shall not be His. ~ Daniel 9: 26
The Gentiles … have attained to justice, even to the justice is of the faith. But Israel … has not come unto the law of justice. Why so? Because they sought it not by faith… For they stumbled at the Stumbling Stone. ~ Romans ix.30-32
The Jews knew that Christ was the son of David. And even now they hope for His Coming. It is hidden from them that He has come, but it is hidden because they willed it so. For, not acknowledging Him on the cross, the knowledge of Him reigning in glory should not be theirs … Why are the Jews hoping for what has already come, and not fearful for what is to come? For Our Lord Jesus Christ … referred Himself as “the Stone” (Matthew xxi.44), that whoever stumbles upon it shall be bruised; but upon whom it shall fall, it will grind to powder … Lying on the ground, it shakes whoever falls over it; coming from on high, it crushes the proud. The Jews have already been shaken by their previous stumble. What awaits them is to be crushed by His Coming. ~ St. Augustine
Many shall come from the East and West and sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven, but the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into the exterior darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. ~ St. Matthew viii.11-12
There is need of constant prayer lest we defect from the heavenly kingdom, as have the Jews to whom it was first promised. This the Lord makes unmistakably clear by saying: “Many will come from East and West and recline at the banquet table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven, whereas those born to the kingdom will be driven into the darkness outside, there to wail and gnash their teeth” … Our Lord shows that the Jews were formerly children of the kingdom, but after the name “Father” disappeared from among them, so did the kingdom. The Jews have remained in darkness for having forsaken the light. ~ St. Cyprian
The “exterior darkness” is that of the Jews, who have heard truth but not believed. ~ St. Thomas Aquinas
Jews prefer to persist in their stubbornness rather than to recognize the words of their prophets and the mysteries of the Scriptures and thus arrive at a knowledge of the Christian faith and salvation. ~ Bl. Pope Gregory X
The Jews are deprived of these good things, for they are not brought to life by Christ; for sin remains unwashed away in them; neither do they advance unto the kingdom of Heaven since they have dishonored Christ Who is the Guide to Heaven. For they did not believe Him when He said: “I am Way” and “I am the Door.” ~ St. Eusebius of Caesaria
Whence the Gospel says: “Two women shall be grinding at the mill; one shall be taken and the other left” (Matthew xxiv.42). The Holy Church shall be taken up into eternal rest: she who has ground the food of holiness unto the Lord. The Synagogue, stained with blood, shall be left at the mill, to endure its own unfaithfulness forever. ~ St. Maximus of Turin
The faithlessness of the Synagogue is an insult to the Savior. Therefore, He chose the barque of Peter and deserted the boat of Moses; that is, He rejected the faithless Synagogue and adopted the believing Church … Of these two ships, one is left at the shore, idle and empty; the other, loaded filled, is launched into the deep. For the Synagogue is left idle on the beach. Because of its own fault, it has lost Christ along with the warnings of the prophets. But the freighted Church is taken out into the deep, because it received the Lord together with the teaching of the Apostles. The Synagogue, I say, remains on the land, held fast as it were to earthly things. The Church is called forth to the deep, as though to search into the profound mysteries of Heaven. ~ St. Ambrose
Two nations are in thy womb, and two peoples shall be divided out of thy womb; one people shall overcome the other, and the elder shall serve the younger. ~ Genesis xxv:23)
As for your third claim about the inventions of the “Jews” why don’t you try actually sighting some instead of just making unfounded claims.
huh November 3, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Thank you for refuting your own claims. Any third grader could read the Bible verses and determine that nowhere in the Old OR the New Testament does it say that Roman Catholics are the chosen people.
As for inventions, you are a fool if you think that’s an argument you can win.
So are you mentally retarded or are you merely attempting to troll?
CatholicMonarchist November 3, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Also It was the Catholic church who created the biblical canon and gave the bible chapters and verses.
huh November 3, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Yes, which further weakens your position.
I particularly enjoyed your claim of a 160 IQ. Considering your conclusions, I think anyone can determine that you are not a very intelligent individual.
If you have a 160 IQ, then I’m the Messiah.
CatholicMonarchist November 3, 2012 at 8:10 pm
The Catholic Church has always taught that God divorced the “Jews” and a NEW covenant was made EXACTLY like sacred scripture says (Jeremiah 3:8 – I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery.) NT Luke 10:22 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son CHOSES to reveal him.” hence being CHOSEN. Both the Tradition and Scripture teach that there is a NEW Chosen People which is composed of any person, who has received salvation in Jesus Christ. This is why St. Peter taught the following when he spoke to the Church at large in 1 Peter 2:9-10:
9But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people of his own, so that you may announce the praises” of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10Once you were “no people” but now you are God’s people; you “had not received mercy” but now you have received mercy. (NAB) You cursed fool.
CatholicMonarchist November 3, 2012 at 8:31 pm
How do Jews make Atonement for there sin today? They can’t because your whole religion is obsolete! it has ZERO spiritual authority anymore. The blood for Atonement sacrifice ceased after the Christs sacrifice on the cross. Jesus Christ said ” It is finished. Look at Europe! That is Christendom. And look at the middle east, that is a dog’s vomit! Look at your pathetic synagogue’s and our Majestic Cathedrals. Its a no brainer that even a RETARD could see. Where are your Jewish inventions? What? e=emc2? please. We invented it all. You Jews hate Germans so much, yet they invented the car, Jet engine, diesel engine, Sent Nasa to space. What are your contributions really? The Soviet Union? Carl Marx? The Federal Reserve debt machine? You are an accursed people and everything you touch turns to !@#$
huh November 4, 2012 at 9:26 am
The Catholic Church is best known for:
Molesting children
The retardation of intellectual progress (something the monarchist should know quite a bit about)
The Crusades.
CatholicMonarchist November 4, 2012 at 9:53 am
People Claiming to be “Catholic” Priests today DO molest Children TRUE. however they are not Catholic and this can be easily proven. Just as Orthodox Jews accurately believe practicing there religion is not found in modernist versions but only in orthodoxy, the same is true with Catholicism. These are modernist heretics claiming to be Catholic. Charles Manson claimed to be “Christian” True Catholicism is found in what it dogmatically has taught for 20 century’s that can never be changed.
Your second claim that the Church is responsible for “The retardation of intellectual progress” is a complete falsehood and a modernist lie believed by the “goyim” populous. The exact opposite is true, the Church invented built the University’s, Colleges, and fruitful debate that we still use today. Not to mention the Byzantine are the single handed reason that literacy was kept alive during the dark ages and taught agriculture to the western world. What you are saying is main stream anti Catholic propaganda.
3rd The Crusades. I seriously doubt you even know what they are.
huh November 4, 2012 at 10:17 am
I know what the Crusades were. Apparently you don’t.
The Catholic Church spent hundreds of years working tirelessly to persecute scholars and scientists. Also, the Catholic Monarch (which you should be familiar with given your idiotic handle) were responsible for the Spanish Inquisition.
So since you support the Catholic Church, I can only conclude that you hate inventions, you hate science, and you support child molestation.
You are the personification of evil.
huh November 4, 2012 at 10:22 am
“People Claiming to be “Catholic” Priests today DO molest Children TRUE. however they are not Catholic and this can be easily proven.”
Actually, they ARE Catholic and this can be easily proven. The Catholic Church went to great lengths to cover up for the priests and transfer them back and forth so they could escape punishment.
Would they do that for non-Catholics?
Your support of child molestors is sickening.
CatholicMonarchist November 4, 2012 at 10:59 am
No they are not Catholic that is why they created a second Vatican Council thAt contradicts the first. It is modernism. You cannot be a Catholic and a heretic at the same time.
I condemn Child molesters and all heretics as such and the rabbis who have been convicted of the same things.
“were responsible for the Spanish Inquisition.” I agree with the Spanish inquisition. It was a war on muslims and Jews infiltrating that Catholic Government and conspiring to destroy her, there was a 700 hundred year war in Spain against enemy’s of the state.
“The Catholic Church spent hundreds of years working tirelessly to persecute scholars and scientists” This is a TOTAL lie, can you sight one historical fact backing this claim? No. You can’t. The Jesuit Order alone contributed HUGE amounts of knowledge to science and astronomy. Contrary to theses TYPICAL modernist LIES.
huh November 4, 2012 at 2:22 pm
you sound angry. You can’t handle the truth, eh?
From Wikipedia:
“By 1616 the attacks on the ideas of Copernicus had reached a head, and Galileo went to Rome to try to persuade the Catholic Church authorities not to ban Copernicus’ ideas. In the end, a decree of the Congregation of the Index was issued, declaring that the ideas that the Sun stood still and that the Earth moved were “false” and “altogether contrary to Holy Scripture”, and suspending Copernicus’s De Revolutionibus until it could be corrected. Acting on instructions from the Pope before the decree was issued, Cardinal Bellarmine informed Galileo that it was forthcoming, that the ideas it condemned could not be “defended or held”, and ordered him to abandon them. Galileo promised to obey. Bellarmine’s instruction did not prohibit Galileo from discussing heliocentrism as a mathematical fiction but was dangerously ambiguous as to whether he could treat it as a physical possibility.[53] For the next several years Galileo stayed well away from the controversy. He revived his project of writing a book on the subject, encouraged by the election of Cardinal Maffeo Barberini as Pope Urban VIII in 1623. Barberini was a friend and admirer of Galileo, and had opposed the condemnation of Galileo in 1616. The book, Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, was published in 1632, with formal authorization from the Inquisition and papal permission.[54]”
Hundreds of other examples of the Catholic Church fighting against progress and persecuting scientists and scholars. The Church sides with molestors, not scholars.
Lady-Light November 4, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Oy oy oy.
Ok, let’s face it. The Nazis were right (yimach shemam): Jews are a race–the human genome was mapped and there is a distinctive “Jewish gene.” And we’re smart. Well, some of us. So some of us can be considered part of a ‘superior race.’ And “goyim” is a Hebrew word which means ‘nations,’ period. Yes, some kikes have used it as a derogatory term, but I’m sure Mrs. God says it’s all right (just ask Mitt Romney).
CatholicMonarchist November 4, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Galileo was half wrong half right. “Half truth is a full lie” Jewish proverb.
The reason he was arrested was because he challenged the Church on there ability to interpret Sacred Scripture not because he had a scientific hypothesis. His penalty was House arrest with a servant. BIG DEAL. Also if the Church has agreed with him they would have been WRONG since we know today that the sun is NOT the center of the Universe. Thats is the Same anti Catholic story EVERYBODY uses and it is a straw man argument. ” You could sight HUNDREDS HAHAAH yet you sight the same fake story everybody does!!
huh November 4, 2012 at 9:24 pm
The word is ‘cite’. So much for that high IQ. Not only can you not spell, but you also support child molestors and still can’t figure out how to reply to a post.
Since you were clearly lying about your ‘intelligence’, it’s safe to assume you’re lying about everything else as well.
Should I post in ALL CAPS so your tiny brain can comprehend it? You are WRONG and also STUPID.
Matthew November 6, 2012 at 12:54 am
Nice try, Pope Benedict.
CatholicMonarchist November 4, 2012 at 9:35 pm
English is not my first language. I am glad that you resort to name calling and insulting my God given Intelligence. English is a hard language to spell. I speak 3 languages how many do you speak? Posting in all caps is to emphasize certain words. That is all. And anyone who can read English can clearly see who the retard is on this page. Think about it you have to stoop down and attack me for miss spelling a word!!haha. You pathetic goy.
huh November 5, 2012 at 7:56 am
I speak three languages. Russian, English, and Hebrew. And I daresay I speak them better than you.
“Posting in all caps is to emphasize certain words. That is all.”
That is FALSE.
“You pathetic goy.”
Thanks for the insults. Anyone reading this can tell that you are the retard. You are unable to COMMUNICATE in an intelligent manner, and you continue to LIE.
You are making a FOOL out of yourself.
Sean November 30, 2012 at 2:08 am
Um…. Goyim also means Cattle – Hebrew words have multiple meanings. Goyim deliberately means both non-Jew and cattle (And multiple other things depending on context).
Here’s a quote that may make some people feel uncomfortable. For that I am sorry, but if we stick our fingers in our ears singing “lalala, lets just all get along” then we are both deaf and blind:
13. “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.” -Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L
19. “IF a goy kills a goy or a Jew he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy he is NOT responsible.” -Tosefta. 9boda Za,-a 8, 5
For more, see this link:
http://www.israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/persecuted-jews.html
The issue with Jewish religion is not its people, but the way in which their religion teaches them to view THEMSELVES (Not us so much), for they are taught to view themselves as the ‘Slaves wandering the desert’. Granted, this does give them emotional strength in some ways and other lessons have similar lessons which teach them to obtain strength by starting as victims. But play the victim enough and you become one. I feel very sorry for the Jewish. And I wouldn’t feel too sick about the above texts, because keep in mind, their religious texts were created in the deserts of Islam where they are surrounded by frequent wars and wars with Gentile nations who they are constantly warring with. The problem is, like the bible and every other religious text, their taura and their moral belief system has not been modified to suit the changing world. When someone becomes a victim through their belief system, they believe the rest of the world has taken something from them, so they end up hating the world. Imagine an entire religion designed to cause people to feel and work and play in such a fashion.
The Jewish in some ways are slaves to their own belief system, much as Christians and Atheists and everyone else is limited by their own labels which come with rules that prevent them from looking at things or doing things in a free and open way.
If we do not aknowledge the problems in the world, be do the world (or in this case, our Jewish brothers) a disservice. These issues prevalent are noticed by many Jewish, some of whome become non-practicing just like Ex-Christians etc who end up disagreeing with 2000 year old moral beliefs from their religion. There are flaws in all religions… These ones are a little scary though. I’ve got to say.
I don’t hat the Jewish, but I feel they need help. For they are still in some ways lost in the desert.
Margo May 9, 2013 at 5:17 pm
A fascinating discussion is worth comment. I think that you ought to publish more on this
subject matter, it may not be a taboo matter but usually people do not speak about
such issues. To the next! Kind regards!!