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New Heter: Blind people can touch their dates

blind_dateBesides for a heter for male masturbation, eating meat during the 9 days and not wearing tzitzis when it goes over 70 degrees – I think what all us single guys want is a heter for touching the opposite sex. Seriously, the problem with shidduchim for me has always been the fact that you make all that trouble and you know without a doubt that you will not be getting any at the end of the night.

Enter Rabbi Sherlo (obviously trying to get his 15 minutes of fame) who says blind people can touch their dates, well no, he says they can “feel” their dates – because halichically you have to see your woman before you marry her, but since the guy is blind, he feels things instead. Time to get out your walking sticks folks!

According to Rabbi Sherlo the head of Petah Tikvah Hesder Yeshiva:

“This is the way a blind man gets to know his partner,” the rabbi said in response to a halachic question he was asked. “It may even be correct to say that he is required to touch her.” Read the full article on Ynet News, I can almost guaruntee you that the comments section on the Vos Iz Neias post which was hijacked from Ynet (hence the reason for no link) should get interesting.

I wonder if Rabbi Sherlo was reading my post on Shomer Negiah Loopholes when he thought of this heter?

Wow I wonder if people who are hard of seeing but not legally blind can use this heter?

Hey semi-blind folks, it may not be worth it to get Lasek …

I can only imagine a blind guy at the Brooklyn Marriott feeling his dates face while all the other dates look in horror and call the tznius police.

Does this mean that he can feel all of her, since he wants to know what all of her parts “look” like. How on earth will a girl be convinced of this rulings validity?

Hey baby can I touch you, take a look at this heter…

What about women, can they touch the man if they are blind, I noticed the ruling didn’t talk about blind women. Or since women are on a higher “spirtual level” then men (classic frummy talk) they don’t care about what their husband will look like.

I am waiting for the first cases of people pretending to be blind so they can do some Rabbinically permitted pre-marital touching.

Talk about a blind date…yes that was corny.

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  • former baltimorean July 16, 2009, 12:43 PM

    this new heter def. gives a whole new meaning to a ‘blind date’ within the frum community!!

  • Miriam Tzipora July 16, 2009, 1:26 PM

    If you keep your eyes closed, it’s like you’re blind, so does that mean that you can touch as long as you don’t look?

  • Frum Satire July 16, 2009, 1:35 PM

    Blind fold me baby

  • Mozo July 16, 2009, 1:38 PM

    Can the women touch back, or do they have to sit still while Shimmy Wonder “reads” her mood?

  • iTechITeasy July 16, 2009, 1:40 PM

    A whole new meaning to the “Look! but don’t touch” phrase.

    And Hesh, your question about poor sighted people was asked already by *gasp* a VIN commenter…

  • Rob July 16, 2009, 2:09 PM

    Hmm… I think this was a legitimate question that has a purpose. Someone who is blind and will be married does need to know how to use his or her equipment to complete the mitzvah of having children.

    However, I think those who are single and thank G-d have their sight should not be complaining that they aren’t going to get any at the end of the date. Perhaps that’s why they are still single.

  • Schwartzie July 16, 2009, 2:14 PM

    I’d cut off my hands, too, so I’d have to use my ervah.

  • Puzzled July 16, 2009, 2:18 PM

    Here’s a heter for not wearing tzitzits when it’s hot out – everyone agrees that the obligation to wear fringes only applies when you’re wearing a 4 cornered garment.

  • Frum Satire July 16, 2009, 2:30 PM

    Puzzled, so I guess my sack cloth I have been wearing in protest of the woman arrested in Israel counts as 4 cornered

  • Aussie Dave July 16, 2009, 2:31 PM

    Actually, when I read the headline “Blind people can touch their dates” I thought it WAS a heter for male masturbation.

    A bit of a reversal on the common myth that touching your dates makes you go blind..

  • Frum N' Flipping July 16, 2009, 4:37 PM

    Schwartz- that’s sick

  • Miriam Tzipora July 16, 2009, 5:33 PM

    actually, I’d probably order up two blindfolds. one for each. It’s only fair that way.

  • yeshiva dude July 16, 2009, 10:00 PM

    Hey, get this folks- the very normal Swartzie referred to me as “nuts”!

  • Eye Dog July 16, 2009, 10:31 PM

    Heshy: So now you’re going to poke out your eyes?

  • Phil July 18, 2009, 11:47 PM

    That’s got to be one of the top 10 heterim of the decade. I’m assuming he would need to check her out entirely to know exactly what he’s getting. I guess the same would go for a blind woman.

  • Jewish Married Sex August 4, 2009, 12:35 PM

    We use blindfolds all the time.

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