Look I am not going to remove the video I posted because I think people should learn from their mistakes. Yes it is a Chillul Hashem, but allowing such stupidity to go unnoticed is a bigger disservice and Chillul Hashem in my opinion and you can have yours too – but to label me as a Chillul Hashem for posting it is just plain asinine. People who are judging all Jews based on one drunken video of dumbasses are dumbasses themselves, they have to live in the community to see how deep the racism goes.
With that said, I must admit that I did something wrong, I posted the video without researching its source and upon further investigation one can see that the person behind the video is an anti-Zionistic Jew who knew exactly what he was going to get and did. I myself wasn’t shocked by the video, it kind of elicited a similar response to when I heard about Foreskins Lament, its about time someone did this!
Max Blumenthal is a real asshole for doing this, some may even argue self hating, I wouldn’t say so, more like a dirty journalist trying to further his own agenda with complete disregard for proper journalistic tactics. It happens to be that in this day and age anyone should be smart enough to realize that pretty much any video will wind up on the internet – these kids may have been drunk – but drunkenness just allows to truth to come out faster. One person on twitter replied that he felt it was a funny comedy piece, and that he laughed out loud, that in itself is an issue – there really wasn’t anything funny about it, it sounded like my gemara shiur in high school minus all of the swear words.
I love How Max Blumenthal tries to excuse his behavior with the following:
“The notion that the racist diatribes in my video emerged spontaneously from a beery void is a delusion, but for some, it is a necessary one. It allows them to erect a psychological barrier against acknowledging the painful consequences of prolonged Zionist indoctrination. And it enables them to dismiss the disturbing spectacle of young Jews behaving like fascist soccer hooligans in the heart of the capitol of Israel and the spiritual home of the Jewish people.”
I love it, Zionist indoctrination – this guy must be the social media guy for the Niturei Karta. He goes on to say…
“The people in my video were not white trash, nor were they the “extreme right-wing fringe” as some bloggers have called them. They were the college-educated sons and daughters of middle and upper class American Jews from cosmopolitan metropolises and genteel suburbs. Some had come to Israel on vacation, some had made aliyah, and some told me they were planning to move to Israel in the near future. Many were dual citizens of America and Israel. They may have behaved in a moronic way, but they will not grow up to toil in the custodial arts. Many of these kids will move into white-collar jobs and use their influence to advance Israeli initiatives. Programs like Birthright Israel — a few of those in my video were on Birthright tours — exist for the exclusive purpose of indoctrinating American Jews into unyielding, unthinking supporters of Israel. Thus the kids in my video represent at least one aspect of the Zionist project’s future base of political sustenance.”
Why is everyone telling me the kids in the video were Ner Jake kids? Or is he lying about his own video?
Whatever the case may be, both parties are wrong, but the real truth of the matter is that anyone who has spent any time in the frum/black hat community understands that racism is prevalent, its not the kind of racism that existed in the south, its normally based on something like neighborhood or getting punched off your bike one too many times.
I have a buddy who lived in a town in the Midwest with no black people and he only started seeing why frum Jews on the east coast were so racist after living in New York and Baltimore. I know that many folks in crown heights would readily admit to being racist as well as almost everyone I know that is in the yeshiva world. Its so normal that the fact I don’t use and dislike the N word, I am automatically labeled a liberal (despite my gun collection) by anyone who meets me. I am not saying all, I am saying many, and if you really want I bet you I could get a bunch of people saying this stuff on tape!!!
So while I may have been wrong to jump to conclusions concerning the video, I wouldn’t discount what they said. Beer merely loosens the tongue, but the things they said many would readily agree with. Even our favorite commenter Phil says the man should be shot and it would be better for the Jews.
Max Blumenthal should be ashamed of himself, but the folks in the video (I wonder how many folks know them?) should also be ashamed of themselves and while you cannot judge any aspect of the community based on their foolish actions – this should be used as a lesson.
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This filmmaker is known for making videos like this. He went to the Israel Day parade and filmed people there saying things like advocating genocide on Palestinians. He goes around and searches for people saying the most despicable things, splices them together, and makes popular videos.
However, to say that this fact somehow neutralizes the filth in the original video is like blaming Sasha Baron Cohen for what people said out of their own mouths in “Borat.”
In “Borat”, a group of drunken frat guys on a trailer advocated bringing slavery back. Sasha BC obviously had an agenda — he wanted to capture ignorant Americans on video. But does this agenda makes what the kids said any less disgusting?
So too here.
Also — that being said (and I see you also agree with that point) — I am sick of hearing one-sided apologies for racism. As a general rule, just remember, “Only ABCDE.”
Only A-holes Believe Conduct is Determined by Ethnicity.
Baltimore – high unemployment, former state of segregation, Katrina victims and other influxes of poorer ppl – all of these things are a better predictor/explanation of issues than “oh they’re black and this is how black ppl act.” When a frum person crosses that line, they need to be called out as much as any anti-Semite does.
Okay.
I hate to post yet again against the “racist” factor, but here goes. Many of the comments were unorganized and not well thought out, but very few were actually racist. On person said the watermelon joke and followed with a blatantly racist comment, and one other person used that word. considering the topic, I would expect some of these immature kids to make racist snips.
Also, while there is definitely racism in the Jewish community, I have found it to be very minor. People make racist jokes, and say certain offensive things, but most of the racism I have seen is less than skin deep. Many of my peers in the ‘frum’ world would never actually deny anything more to a black man as they would a white.
A bigger issue, and what actually causes this issue, is an extreme xenophobia shared by many Jews. And why shouldn’t a people who have been persecuted by every nation under the sun have xenophobia? I’m not saying it’s right, but it certainly isn’t incredulous. Jewish race crimes are not something I hear about very often. Everyone makes black jokes, everyone makes jew jokes, Hell, I make jokes at the expense of almost every nationality and religion out there. At the end of the day, its the guy who will burn a cross on a black person’s lawn, a guy that will drag a black person a mile from a rope tied to the back of his pick-up truck, or a man who would run into a mosque with guns blazing that is a racist.
Teabagging Obama is a dumb way to express angst about his political opinions, but it isn’t racism.
“Also, while there is definitely racism in the Jewish community, I have found it to be very minor.”
RLY?
“People make racist jokes, and say certain offensive things, but most of the racism I have seen is less than skin deep. Many of my peers in the ‘frum’ world would never actually deny anything more to a black man as they would a white.”
Many, I’m sure. But let’s not be naive — I got asked straight out on the phone “are you white?” once when calling about an apt in Boro Park b/c my accent (in Hebrew, afilu!) made her “wonder”.
And let’s not even talk about ignorant shadchanim.
There was a while that I was paranoid that I was racist because whenever I would walk home late at night from the bus stop and see a black man, I would get really nervous.
Then I realized I freaked out just as much when I saw a white man.
I guess I’m not racist, I’m just paranoid.
Personally, I utilize the private function on YouTube for uploaded videos, until further notice –
Conversely, when I engage my racist Diasporic Filipino colleagues, enjoying the luxuries of Western paradigms, beit at bandwagon rallies, mediocre arts events, and pupu fiestas: that I’m hardly ever invited to on Fb by brown Artsy-Activist “friends” anyway, strangely enough. It’s my American Nightmare.
Our odes to bittersweet nostalgia is barf in my mouth (I am reminded of Lauryn Hill’s demise from stardom by fickle American consumers).
I am utterly Star-struck by this thread. Honesty and honestly: Y-Love? What!
Thanks for a well thought out article.
I still disagree with some of your conclusions, but Its a very reasonable piece.
I love this post. By the way, for those of you that think this video doesn’t represent a certain portion of the Jewish population, get out of your bubble. Walk in the shoes of a Jew of color for a day and get a clue.
In my opinion, the video posted here shows the stupidity of my generation more than racism. I am saddened to see young men and women my age make absolute fools of themselves in every way. And the alcohol is certainly not an excuse….as was said above, it simply loosens the tongue.
Ignorance can certainly lead to racism. (Education, at the least could have masked their racism and lead them to make sound arguments against the President. Instead cursing was relied upon to enforce their point- which was what?)
What’s worse is that these kids are probably intelligent, or at least statistically speaking have higher than average IQ. And in this video, again, they chose to make fools of themselves.
Let’s face it, generalizations about every race exist whether we like it or not. Most people do make judgments of individuals based on these generalizations. It is very unfortunate. In addition people make judgments of individuals based on videos like these. Thus this video has accomplished 2 things. 1) It encourages further stupidy and racism in those that are like-minded with the views expressed. 2) It could easily foster very negative views of Jewish youth (or Jews as a whole).
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To CHAIM P:
Your argument that because your peers would only say racist remarks, but “would never actually deny anything more to a black man as they would a white” they are therefore not racist is not sound. For one thing, I don’t believe it to be true even on a conscious level, but it is definitely true on unconscious levels that do in fact effect behavior. This has been demonstrated in numerous empirical studies.
Most people associate racism with blatant and overt acts of discrimination that are epitomized by White supremacy and hate crime. But this sort of “old-fashioned racism” has declined greatly in the past several decades. However, the nature and expression of racism has evolved into a more subtle and ambiguous form, perhaps reflecting people’s belief that overt and blatant acts of racism are unjust and “politically incorrect.” So, in a sense, racism has gone underground and is more likely to be covert. (Much is the same for sexism and heterosexism as well.) Much research suggests that these “microagressions,” as they are referred to in the literature, do lead to discriminatory and biased acts.
A definition of microaggressions by Sue et al., 2007: microagressions are brief and commonplace daily verbal or behavioral indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative racial slights and insults that potentially have a harmful or unpleasant psychological impact on the target person or group.”
Chaim, this includes yours and your peers’ seemingly innocuous jokes. They are not harmless. I am not writing this to point fingers at you and call you an evil racist. Everyone engages in microagressions sometimes. Our socialization process has culturally conditioned us to do so. Even the well intentioned individuals who endorse egalitarian values. Even those who wouldn’t even dream of spewing racist epithets.
Racist jokes are still racist. Whether you say them about everyone including yourself, or just one target group. To be an equal opportunity offender, as you claim to be, (even though you may very well just be joking) is still being and offender, and it does not absolve you of the offense.
For those of us who are interested in promoting and fostering peace and understanding, and increasing tolerance, it is important to try to become more aware of our microagressions, and try to correct them. This is how we increase our cultural competence. Our differences are to be celebrated. Not denigrated.
There was a while that I was paranoid that I was racist because whenever I would walk home late at night from the bus stop and see a black man, I would get really nervous.
Then I realized I freaked out just as much when I saw a white man.
I guess I’m not racist, I’m just paranoid.
No, you were just being smart. And making a good use of statistics.
Look, a socialist clown is a socialist clown. Black, white, green or yellow.
3) It has also encouraged much needed conversations about race and racism that need to take place in the Jewish community before we can truly move forward to change things.
How can we fight race and racism in the Jewish community if we pretend it doesn’t exist, if we pretend that these kids aren’t representative of some part of the Jewish community, even if it is a part we don’t like?
Tikkun Olam begins with Beit Y’hudah.
Arranging my desk…
To CHAIM P:
Your argument that because your peers would only say racist remarks, but “would never actually deny anything more to a black man as they would a white” they are therefore not racist is not sound. For one thing, I don’t believe it to be true even on a conscious level, but it is definitely true on unconscious levels that do in fact effect behavior. This has been demonstrated in numerous empirical studies.
Most people associate racism with blatant and overt acts of discrimination that are epitomized by White supremacy and hate crime. But this sort of “old-fashioned racism” has declined greatly in the past several decades. However, the nature and expression of racism has evolved into a more subtle and ambiguous form, perhaps reflecting people’s belief that overt and blatant acts of racism are unjust and “politically incorrect.” So, in a sense, racism has gone underground and is more likely to be covert. (Much is the same for sexism and heterosexism as well.) Much research suggests that these “microagressions,” as they are referred to in the literature, do lead to discriminatory and biased acts.
A definition of microaggressions by Sue et al., 2007: microagressions are brief and commonplace daily verbal or behavioral indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative racial slights and insults that potentially have a harmful or unpleasant psychological impact on the target person or group.”
Chaim, this includes yours and your peers’ seemingly innocuous jokes. They are not harmless. I am not writing this to point fingers at you and call you an evil racist. Everyone engages in microagressions sometimes. Our socialization process has culturally conditioned us to do so. Even the well intentioned individuals who endorse egalitarian values. Even those who wouldn’t even dream of spewing racist epithets.
Racist jokes are still racist. Whether you say them about everyone including yourself, or just one target group. To be an equal opportunity offender, as you claim to be, (even though you may very well just be joking) is still being and offender, and it does not absolve you of the offense.
For those of us who are interested in promoting and fostering peace and understanding, and increasing tolerance, it is important to try to become more aware of our microagressions, and try to correct them. This is how we increase our cultural competence. Our differences are to be celebrated. Not denigrated.
“Only A-holes Believe Conduct is Determined by Ethnicity.”
Nope. Only a-holes use a fancy word like “ethnicity” without looking it up in the dictionary. The dictionary includes morals and traditions as part of “ethnicity.” Ethnicity is obviously and certainly a large factor in determining conduct
The word our baal roshei teivos is looking for is “race.”
i think im going to start a group that fights for the rights of the horizontally challenged. i think the fact that airplanes seats are to small is discrimination. little japanese cars are an insult.
y-love and aliza
if you guys feel the jewish comunity dislikes you so much why did you join.
Hesh,
Correction: I said I’d be happy if Obama was shot, not that he should be shot. Being impeached would be just as good.
Again, it has nothing to do with him being black, it has to do with him being a jackass and more pro muslim than any president I remember.
As a Canadian. I’m less affected by his stupidity than most readers of this blog that live in the US or Israel.
If getting rid of Obama will save one Jewish life or home or shul, it would be worth it.
This site was supposed to be for humor mainly, but lately you’ve been posting controversial issues (davening with a reform “minyan”, racism in the “frum” community). I come here for humor, not to get all pissed off and go on a blogging frenzy, so I’m going to refrain from a long winded comment, unlike others here.
Racism is hating someone for the color of their skin. I’m not a racist because I have zero problem with black Jews who daven in the same shul as me in Flatbush when I’m in NY. I shake their hands and tell them “Shabbat Shalom” like anyone else I bump into there.
But if someone has a problem with one’s views, even if they’re (gasp!) black, that doesn’t make one a racist. These kids that somehow represented the “frum” community (I still don’t know how) were upset at Obama for his pro-Muslim stance and trying to bully Israel into something not in its best interests.
And if someone is nervous around blacks because they are responsible for a lot of crime in the country (and they are), that doesn’t make him a racist either.
But the last line of the video really summed up my feelings best.
And I’m disappointed I’M not your favorite commenter! Grrr….
To all the “enlightened” anti racists posting thesises on race relations, remember one thing:
The Torah and Judaism are racist. We define who is a Jew based on race/religion the biological mother (except geirim). The Torah specifically has different ways to treat different races:
Amalek + 7 nations = kill em all.
Ammon + Moav = do not marry their men even once they convert.
Edom + Mitztri = Do not hate them.
Other goyim = must accept 7 noachide laws and agree to serve and pay taxes to us if they live in Israel.
How much more racist can you get?
What about so called bigotry?
We are commanded to kill men that practice homosexuality, incest, bestiality just as those that worship idols or break Shabbos.
We are even forbidden to marry mamzeirim, who have no fault of their own.
Can you get anything more bigoted?
So if Torah is racist, bigoted and doesn’t allow people freedom to do as they please, why do all we frum people follow it?
Simple. We know that it’s from Hashem, creator of the world and is nothing but truth. Anything else is a packet of lies and misconceptions.
As this blog is directed primarily at frum people, anyone non frum shouldn’t be shocked when you read the ideas frum people come up with. I say to you, open a sefer and attend shiur once in a while, you might actually find some real answers.
mike – if remaining jewishly committed depended on the how (many in ) the community behave – there’d probably be a lot less of us.
thankfully, for many jews, our connection to judaism has more to do with g-d than with those who give g-d a bad name.
this is an example of what happens in crown heights a few times a month.
http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=4003
http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=3362&hl=attacked
and then when a jew beats up anyone black white hispanic it doesnt matter. the whole community comes out against it and its not tolerated. so please instead of sitting here bashing the jewish comunnity go work on a real issue.
yea sure
Most serial killers are white and yet, I’ve never been scared my white friends are going to chop me up into little pieces and bury me in their backyard.
For the record, I actually speak on racism in the Jewish community and ways that we can change these issues. I spoke at Brooklyn College and though the audience was really receptive there were some who clearly would continue to be racist even after hearing my speech.
observer: you say,
‘Only a-holes use a fancy word like “ethnicity” without looking it up in the dictionary.’
seriously? that is your argument? to prevent oneself from being an asshole one has to look up words in the dictionary before using them? first of all, your definition is wrong. second of all, the definitions of race and ethnicity are pretty fluid, and it is often difficult to determine what people mean when they say them because they are so related. third, why are you getting caught up in semantics when this argument is basically about hate?
yes. we are talking about hate.
hornball, yes this topic is very touchy for lots of people. no one likes to be accused of bigotry. well most people don’t. maybe the fact that it is a sensitive topic for you is good reason to continue thinking more and more about it. and talking more and more about it.
What is he, your competition in blogging or something!?
Wow Phil you sound like an idiot.
Amalek: = because if you don’t pre-emt they will kill you. As evidenced by Saul not killing Agog.If they accept the seven mitzvos which include Thou Shalt Not Kill ( thereby ensuring them not killin you . I’m unclear as to why they have to accept the rest).
Ammon Moav: Again it’s because haw they acted to the Nation of Israel . It has nothing to do with inherent race. Actually their females are permitted since they didn’t act atrociously.(Remember Ruth , Davids grandmother was a Moabite prostelyte.)
We dont force anyone to obey the 7 mitzvos (except ibid )and anyone Jew or non- Jew must pay taxes int he land they reside including biblical Israel.
Perhaps we are racist for not permitting the marriage to non Jews?
Josh,
Before resorting to name calling I suggest you think about what you are saying.
The Torah commands us to annihilate Amalekites and 7 nations. It has nothing to do with being “pre-emptive”, it’s called milchemes mitzva. Proof is, that when you go to war against any other nation, we aren’t commanded to kill their women and children. Furhtermore, even the 7 nations were all given the option of fleeing, the Girgashi actually did so and went to Africa.
Under Jewish rule, any non Jew is judged on a much stricter level, and aren’t even trusted to housekeep an animal lest they have sex with it (Rambam, MishnehTorah).
What was the “abonimable” thing that ammon and moav did? They didn’t greet us with bread and water. How many people have you greeted with bread and water? Still, the Torah forbids them to us, based on their race. One would think that Egyptians were worse, but their race is allowed if they convert despite them throwing Jewish babies in the river.
And yes, we are definitely racist for forbidding marriage to non Jews. What else would you call it?
Point is, the Torah makes very clear distinctions between the races, religions and personal behaviour, often condeming all of the above.
In today’s politically correct world, every thing is topsy turvy. Gays are allowed to parade around and get married, so called rabbis perform interfaith marriages with priests and Obama expects us to reach out and embrace our sworn enemies. All are abominations beyond belief, yet some Jews agree with them and call the Torah outdated.
Wow, Heshy, where do you get these people from? And how do we get them back underneath the rock they crawled out from?
Forbidding marriage to non-Jew isn’t racist. It isn’t based on race, it’s based on a cultural and religious distinction. Jews can marry Jews of all races, including a non-Jew of any race who decides to convert to Judaism.
What are they teaching in yeshivas these days anyway? How we can use Torah to hate other people? I must have missed that class. So much for being a light unto the nations.
Tribes are not “races”, anyway… “Race” is based on some pseudoscience shit that comes from primarily European sources..
Aliza,
Sounds like a double standard. When people discriminate against Jews, we call them racists. Yet when we can’t marry goyim, we’re not racist, we’re only practicing “cultural segregation”, which is somehow acceptable to the same anti racist people. You confused people can call it whatever you want, it’s all the same to me.
What they are teaching in yeshivas is what has been taught in yeshivas ever since they existed. The talmud, rishonim and achronim are full of instances where non Jews are constantly reffered to as being untrustworthy at best, usually a lot worse. I didn’t invent this. The Torah doesn’t come to teach us how to hate, it simply teaches us how to deal with non Jews.
Seems like you missed more class than one. Open a sefer from time to time, you might actually learn something.
Once a black person converts properly, they are Jewish just like a white convert or Jew from birth (with slight exceptions such as a woman convert marrying a Kohain). This is because their essence changes when they receive a Jewish neshama.
It has always struck me as sad and ironic that people can sit in yeshiva all day and learn everything they can about Judaism and that at the end of the day, they still don’t know how to treat a human being with the most basic kindness and respect.
And it is interesting that you mention “once a black person converts,” because as you well know, there are many black people who were born Jewish. And the problem is that they are being mistreated by their own people, Jews who are the kind of trash and riffraff that are cruel to non-Jews and cruel to gerim and then use Torah and sacred books to tell themselves it’s alright.
Aliza, if you saw my picture, you’d know I know all too well about how not being pale makes you a convert, even if you are not…
:applause: for kramer
Um, Phil, you can be black and Jewish without having to convert. We come in all colors and flavors, not just pale-’shkenaz. (and I’ve read some s’forim, and I know that the tanach isn’t exactly a rainbow gathering; heck, even the haggadah has some icky stuff tucked in there, but not everyone keeps/holds by everything that was ever written everywhere by every rav.) see mookie 21, above.
Aliza,
What about all the white Jews mistreating each other? Are they racists too?
I know there are black Jews an even Indian Jews and Asian Jews.
Ya’ll make it as if white born Jews all get along and have some sort of conspiracy going against the world. You sound as if you’ve been reading the protocols of the elders of zion or mein kampf.
Get real. sephard vs ashkenaz, misnagdim against chassidim, satmer vs lubab, yechi vs non yechi, don’t even get me started on reformers again.
If Ahavas Yisrael is considered the basis of the Torah, you can bet your boots that the YH will do everything he can to prevent it.
Yes, Phil. They are racist if they’re doing it because of each other’s race. It’s mighty easy to hate white people actually especially when so many of them, like yourself for instance, are racist and don’t plan on changing. I can’t tell you how many times someone has said something racist to me and followed it up with well, I don’t mean you, this doesn’t apply to you, you’re different.
Aliza,
So now you hate white Jews because we’re a bunch of racists. As if blacks, hispanics and arabs have nothing against whites or Jews, they are all about love and peace, right?
If you really feel this way, why bother becoming Jewish at all?
Get real. We live in a racist world, which has been that way since the tower of bavel. Get rid of the huge chip on your shoulder or learn to live with it.
Jews have worse problems to overcome, namely baseless hate between each other, before worrying about offending creeps like Obama Hussein and his posse.
Yes, the language used by these drunk teens was offensive and is a chilul Hashem. I’m not trying to justify for them, but their (and my) hate for Obama is not because he’s black, it’s because he is siding with those that want to see us all dead or thrown into the sea.
What i don’t undersatnd is your labeling of the jewish frum community. I believe we call that sereotyping which is tantamount to racist. so basically your nat a racist against blacks but you are to frum jews. Hmm.
It’s why I left yeshiva. If I wanted to be a racist, I could have joined the KKK. Who needs yeshiva?
Offthed,
I’m sure they would have welcomed you with open arms, probably a rope too.
To all the rest of the liberal “enlightened” viewers, the current State of Israel and the entire idea of Zionism is totally racist as well, starting with the declaration of independance, to the right of return for Jews only.
So it seem we’ve achieved a lot with this post:
Learn Torah / practice Judaism and you’re supporting segregation. So all religious Jews are racists.
Make Aliyah or visit Israel and your supporting a state that sanctions racism. So all Israelis and people that support the sate and zionism in general, are racists too.
To make matters even worse, we can’t get along with each other. Where does that leave us?
Anonymous – frummies are not a race, they are a caste system creating by people who want to pigeonhole you based on your head coverings material.
Hornball, do us all a favor and go have sex with yourself.
That would be doing mySELF a favor…
Phil wrote: “If Ahavas Yisrael is considered the basis of the Torah, you can bet your boots that the YH will do everything he can to prevent it.”
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If YH stands for yetzer hara, I call shenanigans. For those who believe in the concept of YH, everyone’s got a YH. People need to learn to treat each other well despite any prevention efforts, real or vividly imagined, by the YH. YH is not an excuse for poor behavior, and to blame negative behavior on the YH is a giant copout. imo. And I am not saying you blamed anything on YH, ’cause you didn’t, Phil, but you brought it up. If you believe it exists, YH happens. It can be overcome. In cases of baseless blanket hate, it’s our responsibility to rise above and beyond and to conquer it. No one’s saying people have to agree about everything; who has time to hate?
I am a bit disappointed in a number of posters here. Despite the title of the thread, the Youtube video is obviously not about racism. It is about a couple of anti-Jewish people with a video camera asking a bunch of drunk adolescents about Obama’s latest pronouncements, getting a lot of answers, and then choosing to include a couple of racist remarks in their edited video. The motivations of the videographers have been discussed here and on the other thread, but what is interesting (and disappointing) to me is that an interview about reactions to Obama’s anti-Israel remarks has been turned into a discussion of racism by a bunch of Jews who should know better. Even the edited video contains only two or three racist comments, and they were all made by drunks. Where is the discussion of B. Hussein Obama? Where is the discussion of his remarks? Where is the discussion of the “two-state” solution which has produced strife since 1948?
A bunch of Jews arguing about so-called Jewish racism when that isn’t even the subject of an anti-Jewish video produced by our enemies! They don’t need to sabotage us – we do it ourselves.
Feh!
SB,
Frumj viewers all believe in the comcept of YH. Yes, everybody has one and our job is to resist it.
If baseless hate netween Jews was the cause of the destruction of the Second Beis Hamikdash and thereby the cause of Galus, Ahavas Yisroel would be the logical way out.
As the YH will be nullified when Moshiach comes, “he” is trying his hardest to keep the hate alive. Seemingly, he’s doing his job very well. Look around the Jewish world today. Has their ever been a time when we were more divided?
“Frummies are not a race….”
You are just proving my point. You are a racist.
racism is a function of how one views them selves not how they view various social constructs like “black people” or whatever.
the jewish people no longer needs enemies the land will define you out of existence.
just look at how over the past few years how the greatest intellectual heritage in the world has been skewed and deformed to justify the actions of a state. not a people not “jews” but a “state” a military and political unit who only purpose is self preservation.
how do nuclear weapons help the Jewish people except contributing to the poverty
and what halachas can be construed to justify their use.
even the crazy mullahs of iran have said nuclear weapons are against Islam.
perhaps it time for the Jewish people to once again strive to be like the stars in the heavens, instead of the sands of the desert
Phil, just visited a place where intellectual racism is the norm… maybe you’d like to move there, they seem to be ok with your kind of logic… I’m sure you will love to share your proofs of racism with the Austrians… best to wear a hat though..
Sergeant J,
Apparently, racism is alive and well right here. Why bother going anywhere else? Besides, I don’t need Austrians to confirm what I already know.
there is no such thing as Austrians there are people of austrian decent.
but to say Austrians hate Jews is just as racist after all my jewish father(adopted) was austrain and im pretty sure he did not hate jews nor my uncles nor my aunts
Jewish convert, Austrian are not a race, so you can’t be “racist” against them. As for me, I don’t know of any scientific reason to think that “races’ of humans are real at all. I also did not say everyone in Austria hates Jews, or even that anyone there did. If you read what I wrote, I said that there are lots of people who believe in “intellectual” arguments for racism there. And based on the recent election results, there are.
Call me Racist (sorry Melville).
I grew up in Crown Heights and fled in the late 60′s after blacks and PRs moved in. My school moved out of the neighborhood and my parents wanted to be near it, as well as escape the rising crime.
We ended up in Baltimore, where we were blockbusted in the 70′s and moved again after a few years. Interestingly, our new black neighbor was the nicest person, better than our old Jewish neighbor. Regardless, we moved again because neighborhood changed.
After the last move, we stayed for about 20 years, but my parents still felt they had to move again. I noticed how the business district changed. Although the houses in the area seemed to be kept in repair, obviously the people changed. In came the pawn shop and the bail bondsman. The supermarket finally closed after having installed theft screens and hiring guards. The car dealer was demolished and a storage place got put in.
You will call me racist because I expect blacks to prove themselves to me before I accept them. In this age of affirmative action, I look at all blacks as suspect. I am sick and tired of watching the black community deny its problems and continue to implode.
I have no bias to Jews of a different color. In fact, I got angry when this black Reform women rabbi talked about being different. If you are Jewish, you can’t be African-American. You can be ger, Sephardi, Yemini, Ashkenaz, Yekki, etc.
Is there bias within the Jewish community? The unfortunate answer is: Of course! After all, we are human and no amount of mussar is going to change us unless we recognize the deficiencies in ourselves and work on them.
“I have no bias to Jews of a different color. In fact, I got angry when this black Reform women rabbi talked about being different. If you are Jewish, you can’t be African-American. You can be ger, Sephardi, Yemini, Ashkenaz, Yekki, etc.”
this is the problem precisely
Sergeant J my apologizes
but one should never mistake a radical nationalism for racism since the former is far more dangerous
Jewishconvert, there is plenty of both to go around in the European parliaments these days…
I’m not saying that all Blacks fit this description, but if you’re walking down a street at 12:00 midnight, and 2- 6 ft 3 black dudes pass by, don’t tell me that you are not crossing the street!!!!!!
i lived in Jerusalem for a year and a half and had no problems walking around east Jerusalem.
and in the states i live in harlem so id be crossing alot of streets getting home.
ps i am very fair skinned and not very big
doesn’t matter if the filmmaker is an anti-semite. what these kids said is disgraceful, absolutely no excuse.
Hi there,
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