This week’s Chumra: From the Facebook chumra of the week club
I don’t hold by woman learning math
It is common knowledge that woman are not obliged in mitzvoth/h/s Asei She’hazma/on Gramah/oh (Time bound +ive), this concept however takes on a dual dimension regarding Sfirat/ss ha”omer since not only is it time bound, but it also includes the forbidden fruit of arithmetic.
The Shulchan Aruch/oruchk rules that a woman who chooses to perform a Mitva/oh from which she is exempt cannot recite the Beracha. Since she is not included under the obligation, she cannot recite the text, “Asher Kideshanu Be’misvot(S)av Ve’tsivanu”
In the case of Sefirat/ss Ha’omer, however, a number of authorities ruled that a woman should not even count the Omer without a Beracha, because according to Kabbalistic teaching this Mitzva/oh has no relevance to women. This is the ruling of the Ben Ish Hai (Rav Pe’alim), and of the Kaf Ha’chaim/choyihm
However in consultation with COW’s resident authorized, certified, triple bedatz Gadol and with the help of shruyat/s ha”shkinah which rests upon him we came to realization that there is a far simpler reason to forbid woman from counting the omer…it involves math!
This obviously is not a chidush since the mishna brura also brings down this point however no one manages to codify the heinous problem of woman counting above 7.
As we have seen in or generation where the face of the generation is like the face of a dachshund that bnot/s yisrael/oel require safeguards which previous generations couldn’t have dreamt of.
As Torah True Jews (TTJ’s) it is incumbent upon us to safeguard our woman and ensure they are protected from the vagaries of society by ensuring they remain illiterate (hechsherim can be recognized by design) and numerically competent to braid challah and nothing else.
If we are unable to protect our precious nashei chayil there is no telling to what debased levels they may degenerate, lo aleinu there are many TTJ’s who have seen their sheina maidellas stray as far as paint by numbers (R”L)
As such COW heavily endorses that woman do not count the omer or anything else above 7 in the hope that they will maintain true to the daled amot/s (daled is only 4) of Torah True Judaism
We wish our readers a happy Lag Ba”omer and please ensure that any wood burnt is certified as asheira free, non-gebrochks, leloh chashash peanuts
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what about those that have 12 kids? im can see a problem here, can they get a heter?
Where do you get that hat? Not that I’m nerdy enough to wear it…
Well I guess I’m screwed.
Talmida – love the name
Frum Punk – I have no idea but its a good one to wear to shul.
This is the reason so many people make weddings they can’t afford for every one of their 12 kids: They simply can’t do the math.
If they could, they would only invite immediate family, not all the friends of the parents, too.
They would also not even bother with a band for 5 hours: They would limit the band to one hour, and cut out the dancing.
If women can only count to seven, how can they have more than seven kids?
It’s a joke right?……
I remember my father being appalled when he learned that my male Chareidi cousins in Israel stopped learning Limudei Chol after 5th Grade. My Father sat down with my rescently Bar Mitzvah’d cousin, who was telling him about all the shiurim, sedarim, etc. that his day consisted of. When my father asked him what about Math, Science, et al., my cousin informed him that in their world, they stop learning all that after 5th grade; if it’s not in the gemara, they don’t touch it. Hafach Bei Ve’Hafach Bei De’Kulah Bei, so it goes.
He even went so far to ask his sister (the mother in this family) if this was okay with her. To his chagrin, her answer was “absolutely”. At the time, I was the one acting as the apologist for the Chareidi lifestyle, even though I am a far cry from Chareidism (moreso now). So as is, advanced math seems to be pretty much assur in the Chareidi world unless it is necessary to gemara learning.
So why not ban simple math for women?
I’m all for protecting our women from the evils of an education, but I see a serious flaw in not teaching them basic math. Simple math is necessary for nearly any profession, and especially for those which are popular among frum women (teacher, secretary, therapist). If the women don’t learn math, who is going to provide for the men who are sitting in kollel supporting the world with their learning?
Of course it’s important foe women to know math. Not just to count their children, but to count the blintzes for Shavous, the knaidlach for Pesach, and the kreplach for Yom Kippur and Purim and of course the chairs and place setting. The ability to count to 100 would probably be sufficient unless they are lucky enough to have a husband with a cash business. If they can’t count – how would they ever know if the have enough?
In my neighborhood it’s the exact opposite. Boys don’t learn secular studies because it’s bittul Torah, girls learn math, science, grammar, etc. because they aren’t commanded to learn Torah day and night.
tuvias in monsey carries all these caps, actuaaly i think he produces them as well!
Interesting site, but much advertisments on him. Shall read as subscription, rss.
If women don’t know math who is going to keep the niddah calendar
We got a new problem, sefirah (if Im correct) is only 7 weeks, and they can count the weeks. So if you we a really thought about it, you have an answer. The women have to do multiplication, which is something they obviously arent allowed to and cant do.
HHAAAHHHHAAAHHHH,
I love religion.
@NotFrumIsraeliWoman
This was a joke, in case you misunderstood.
hahahahaha
ROFL
Women don’t have to do anything with counting because they are not chayuv in time related mitzvahs
Hahahaha — the only thing I wanted to know about this post was the hat, too! (No offense, Hesh, but I hate math anyway so it’s kinda a moot point for me
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I/we/us find/found this post/blog/essay funny/interesting/entertaining and enjoy/love/like reading it.
Ok to be serious for a moment… if it’s possible. Who would want a wife or husband who is uneducated and incapable of supporting the family or running the home? I just hold such people in utter disgust and know of people who have chased such people out of their houses when they come asking for money; I myself would probably throw small pebbles at them as they leave if any had the stupidity to ask me to subsides their **can not find proper words to express my feelings in depth and scope.**
G*3,
You literally took the words off my fingers.
Phil,
You know the funny thing is that no where in the Torah does it actually obligate one to learn Torah. The obligation to learn is derived from the obligation to teach it to your children.
Since a woman can’t be sure if her husband is going to run off to Israel and leave her as an agunah, it seems she would need to learn, too.
Double M,
Those people who are not educated and begging are violating the very Torah they hold dear. One is obligated to teach their son a trade. One is obligated to have a house and a trade before they take a bride for themselves. Incidentally, it says to teach their son a trade, not teach their daughter to support her husband. This is just the frummies reaction to the feminist movement…. “Women want to work? Goody! Now we’ll just manipulate them into supporting the men and we can all sit around and do nothing.” The difference is that most women weren’t sitting around doing nothing like the men do in “kollel.” Taking care of a home is VERY hard work. Women were held accountable for actually doing it, too. How do we know the men are really learning in those kollel thingys. They get offended enough if you ask, “nu, what are you learning?”
mba,
What about vehigisa bo yomam velayla? Besides, Chazal clearly define learning as equivalent to all moitzvos. Furthermore, it is a prerequisite. If you don’t learn, how would you know what to perform?
Veshinantam is a commandment to teach, which further implies that you would need to learn before being able to teach.
MBA I know how hard it is to run a home… and this place is nowhere near a modern paradise… There is no washing machine and no dishwasher where I live. Do you know how long it takes to use one of those “washing machine bucket plug in things.” O and they do really work quite well. Plugs someone else’s product… um whatever it’s called.
Phil not disagreeing about the need to study but Avot clearly says that ones who’s knowledge is greater then his deeds; his knowledge will not endure… this is not an accusation but a qualification.
My beef with full time learning is that the children suffer because the parents now can’t afford anything but the lowest in childcare. I don’t think children should be sacrificed at the expense of learning full time. It says to learn, nowhere does it say to learn and do nothing else. Rambam WORKED and yet he still learned and taught. My understanding is that many other sages worked.