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Sexy sheitles and the age of BS tznius

mullet_blonde-wigI cant believe I never spoke about this, but what is the deal with the sexy sheitles – I know that some of you may go on about how tznius and hair covering is two completely separate halachos but it doesn’t seem like that to me. Just like the boobs are supposed to be only for the husband to see and hair is the same way, I myself am not fond of the whole concept and recently learned that it may be a bunch of BS according to many people who are not tied in with the sheitle industry (seems like hot channies can either be sheitle machers or shadchans)

I know many guys who will only date girls who will cover their hair fully, I have recently gotten away from this to the point that I would date girls who never plan on covering their hair – this is mostly due to the hypocrisy that seems to surround the whole hair covering movement, and that I don’t want to cut out a segment of my dating pool because of one minor gray area infraction.

Don’t even get me started on the tight skirts that are apparently way more “tznius” than pants, no matter how loose or unrevealing the pants are.

It just seems to me that all of these people who look “down” on others that don’t wear skirts or cover their hair are actually full of crap themselves, or am I just off my rocker?

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  • Sergeant J April 30, 2009, 12:28 PM

    I did always wonder what the deal was when a sheitl actually makes a woman more attractive than the “natural” hair anyway.. No real answers for this one… Either cover it, or don’t, but to wear fake (and even real) hair over it doesn’t really do much to tone down any issues of hair and sexuality..

  • Scott Steinberg April 30, 2009, 12:29 PM

    Hey! Go to Center 1 in Jerusalem and look at the BORO PARK HOOKERS all over the place! $10,000 sheitels, super tight skirts, and their husband is ‘super frum’ lives in HarNof and holds by R’ Eliyashuv

    LOL!!! Funny hypocrisy!

  • Mottel April 30, 2009, 12:34 PM

    Hesh, as they say, two wrongs don’t make a right!
    Are ‘too tight’ skirts and sheitles inaproprate? Of course, but that doesn’t mean that it therefor condones wearing pants or the like.
    Just as some people use Shabbos as an excuse to drink, sleep in and waste time, doesn’t mean that one might as well break Shabbos . . .

    In regards to tznius itself, yes standards have changed. However much of tznius is based on the standards of the community as whole. Some time back our women covered their faces like the Arabs, as to not do so was a faux pas . . . today anyone caught wearing a Berka (I believe a few women in Beit Shemesh actually tried doing it for a while to promote ‘tznius’) is insane.

  • avi April 30, 2009, 12:42 PM

    r’moshe said i think better to were pant then short skirt same i think for tight

  • Mottel April 30, 2009, 12:48 PM

    Sergent J. The point of covering hair, and tznius in general, is not to make the girl unattractive or ugly . . . It’s to cover the hair. Nothing does that better then a sheitle.

  • Frum Satire April 30, 2009, 12:57 PM

    It seems kind of ridiculous the whole wig thing – cover your hair so only your wife can see it, but everyone can see my sexy fake hair while my real hair looks like crap because it never gets air or sunlight.

    Are there men who prfer their wife’s sheitle to her real hair?

    Wearings kirts doesn’t condone wearing pants, but nothing really says you cant.

  • Sergeant J April 30, 2009, 12:57 PM

    when you cover real hair in a way that people do not think you are covering your hair at all, what the hell is the point of that?

  • shevers April 30, 2009, 1:00 PM

    Sheitelach that make a women look beautiful are still doing their job. Covering one’s hair has nothing to do with “saving it for one’s husband.” It brings brochos down on your family. The point isn’t to make her ugly… it’s to cover her hair and wigs do it extremely well. They actually stay on your head better than scarves. A married woman’s hair is extremely holy, thus covered it needs to be.

    (I’m too lazy for this).

    • RebTirza July 3, 2011, 12:02 AM

      I haven’t seen many frum women wearing beautiful wigs. They are mostly the same, shoulder length mousey brown, straight, and rarely custom cut to accomodate the individual’s face. Another example of everyone doing the exact same thing, as not to stir the pot. I’d LOVE to see a long, glamorous wig that is cut in an style that is actually modern or edgy. The whole thing is such a touchy subject. If I were to cover my hair, I’d definitely wear a hat or scarf. Or, what about one’s real hair pulled all the way back with a long fake ponytail?> Why would that be wrong? Just part of the hair showing, like with a hat……it would be wrong because we’d look like individuals.

  • yeshiva dude April 30, 2009, 1:04 PM


    I also did not understand how people can wear sheitals which are supposed to support tznious when if fact it makes many look better. However, I did consult a reliable source who told me that the point of a sheital is not to make her look ugly, rather it is simply to COVER her hair which is “erva”. Whether or not the head covering makes her more attractive is a seperate issue, but you must first start with covering to begin with.

    • Tox September 25, 2009, 11:56 AM

      According to this argument it should be okay to look at pornography, since the commandment is not to look at these parts of a woman’s body, as opposed to looking at pictures. Parts of the body are considered erva because they evoke certain feelings. If an imitation (such as a picture or a wig) acts just as well to produce those feelings, they should be treated the same way.

      • RebTirza July 2, 2011, 11:44 PM

        Tox, now THAT makes sense!!

      • Oh Tee August 20, 2015, 8:31 PM

        spot on! That’s exactly the logic… or if a woman were to decide to wear a shirt that had breasts drawn on it, that’s okay. Biblical torah makes no such reference to head coverings at all let alone sheitels. Even if you believe head covering is a law once a Jewish woman is married… sheitels do not make sense. Not that we as Jews should look down on each other. I certainly don’t look down on someone wearing a sheitel. We should respect each other but people shouldn’t act superior to other people for wearing a sheitel/not… that bothers me…

  • pinny April 30, 2009, 1:05 PM

    I grew up in a home where till 1985 my parents were”modern orthodox machmir” and then switched to being yeshivish, no tv, cholov and pas yisroel etc.
    My wife wears pants and skirts and covers her hair, and honestly all this “shtuyot” about women I see in shul sometimes in my neighborhood where they have those expensive sheitels and outfits that clearly outline their bodies are meant to cause men to look, its not just for their husbands, because alot of husbands feel they have to show off their “trophy wife”.
    We also have TV’s and internet and live a modern orthodox lifestyle, but what I saw from the yeshiva world, I was never really into the whole “do these things or you will burn in hell”.
    I follow “das torah” from my very open minded rav, and thats what matters.
    We have to stop the madness!

    • RebTirza July 2, 2011, 11:46 PM

      Pinny, thank you for your sane comment. Let’s stop the madness, indeed.

  • Frum Satire April 30, 2009, 1:07 PM

    Pinny I like your brand of Judaism

  • Sergeant J April 30, 2009, 1:13 PM

    Shevers, so the holiness, is it permanent or does it go away with a get? Sounds like a bit of BS to me…

    • Anonymous June 4, 2013, 7:13 PM

      actually after a woman divorces rabbanim say she needs to still wear a sheitel

  • adena April 30, 2009, 1:20 PM

    scott – i’ve lived in har nof 6 yrs and have yet to see a boro park hooker here. on shabbat you will see a few gorgeous sheitels but for the most part, the women here are pretty tzanua.

  • shevers April 30, 2009, 1:20 PM

    When Moshe came off Har Sinai he had to wear a veil etc etc. So when women are under the chupah they also wear a veil from holiness in their face and after the chupah that residual holiness retreats back into her hair.

    Let me guess, you’re someone that would say chassidus is a bit of BS?

  • Avi April 30, 2009, 1:21 PM

    I was once in Meah Shearim and there was one of the giant sized posters on the wall. It told the story of how one Chareidi woman (A) approached another Chareidi woman (B) in the street. A asked B why she didn’t cover her hair? B responded that A’s sheitel was much nicer than B’s uncovered hair on a good day. At which time A took off her sheitel in public. The poster ended off the negative power that not covering hair has as well as a note about the fact that maybe shaitels aren’t the best thing.

    Well to cap off an otherwise boring story, as I was reading it so was a random Chasid from the street and as he finished reading it he proceeded to tear it down from the wall, in disgust.

    As an aside, Rav Ovadia holds that wearing a sheitel is just as Asur as not covering your hair. So in Israel you will see a lot of Sefardi women with Snoods or hats (in America sefardi women get caught up in the fashion thing a little more.

  • shevers April 30, 2009, 1:23 PM

    Right and the Rebbe holds that sheitelach are much harder to take off in public and cover the hair much better.

    • RebTirza July 2, 2011, 11:57 PM

      And, you know what? If a kerchief, hat or snood is easier to remove than a wig, then that’s just the way it goes. Too bad. Women will have to be responsible for keeping their hats on. The issue of head coverings being mandatory according to Torah is a completely different matter altogether. Rabbis deduced the ‘law’ from a something mentioned in the Torah, which i won’t get into right now. My rabbi, who is Sephardic, and therefore of no denomination (Sephardic rabbis are observant, period) says that there is absolutely no need for women’s head coverings except in synogogue. This is all about Ashkenazim and their rabbis adding stuff, creating minhagim that become laws because the larger community adheres to it.

  • Aviva J. April 30, 2009, 1:25 PM

    Sheitels never used to be the standard. The expensive sheitels out there are really ridiculous, and they put tremendous pressure on families financially.

    In many Chassidish communities, they do not hold by sheitels, and neither do most Sephardim. Sheitels, if I remember correctly, came into being as the result of anti-Semitic edicts against head scarves. And the original bubbie sheitels were pretty darned unattractive.

    To whomever said that a sheitel gives the best coverage, let me just say that scarves, if worn properly, give excellent coverage. And I think they look so beautiful as well, especially when they’re tied in creative ways.

    For those who are well versed in this area of halacha, I may stand to be corrected, but I thought the hair is supposed to be covered fully with a tefach TOTAL of hair showing. That said, if women partially cover their hair, I’m not gonna stone them. 🙂 The woman with the partially covered hair and pants may be a walking chesed and daavening machine who puts me to shame. No one but G-d knows what is in our hearts, and it makes me so sad to see people looking down on others who follow their own unique path.

  • adena April 30, 2009, 1:25 PM

    married women have a chiyuv to cover their hair. period. all the reasonings of tzniut, keeping hair for the husband, siman that she is married etc are nice ideas that help a woman feel good about keeping the mitvah – but they are not what obligate a woman to cover her hair. if having a beautiful sheitel helps them feel good about themselves and enables them to fulfill an otherwise difficult mitzvah, go for it. halachically it is much better to wear a sheitel than to wear nothing on your head at all. ppl try to find bs excuses not to keep mitzvot. if you think its hypocritical to wear a sheitel, don’t abandon the mitzvah of kisuy rosh, just dont wear sheitels.

  • Sergeant J April 30, 2009, 1:28 PM

    Shevers, there are many great things about Chasiddus, this is not one of them, and which Rebbe “holds” by this? The Lubavitcher Rebbe might have “held” by it. I use past tense for the deceased. Pretty sure most other cultures do too.

  • yoel April 30, 2009, 1:28 PM

    you have a good point, but those tight skirts is what makes our young jewish man want jewish girls instead of marrying out

  • shevers April 30, 2009, 1:29 PM

    Stop picking. You got the point.

  • Sergeant J April 30, 2009, 1:30 PM

    Oh, and Shevers, tell me does the holiness leave after a get?

  • shevers April 30, 2009, 1:31 PM

    Heck if I know. Go ask someone competent. They never talked about gets in seminary funny enough.

  • Avi.... April 30, 2009, 1:36 PM

    Two thing one I am not the first Avi in this list of comments I didn’t realize there was nother.

    Now, yoel, I have to say, as someone who is getting bothered about shiduchim and therefore has some idea of things, you are an idiot. If you think that the way to get jewish guys to marry jewish is by having Jewish girls dress like a bunch of sluts then you have serious problems. Maybe you should get the kosher phone cards from the other post. The way to make sure that they don’t marry out is general education, not showing them how Jewish objects of sexuality are better than goyish objects of sexuality.

  • iwtm April 30, 2009, 1:39 PM

    ditto to adena’s comment.

    tznius is not just a dresscode, its an attitude and that means to do it right, one should have a real understanding of it. Theres plenty of stuff to read why exactly we adhere to tznius guidelines.

    its pretty rediculous to take people that arent keeping to the spirit of the law (i.e. keeping the dresscode aspect-“my wig is long and sexy, but covered so I’m doing the mitzva right”) and use them as an example why we shouldnt cover our hair! People can be hypocrites, but the Torah isnt

  • Anonymous April 30, 2009, 1:51 PM

    I agree fully with the article. To me, wearing sheitels is like wearing a t-shirt that is skin color with a picture of boobs and a belly button (maybe sew fake boobs directly on the t-shirt? how cool would that be!) that looks like a naked abdomen. yes, technically it is covering your boobs and belly button, but people will have to look twice to be sure, and they will still think naught thoughts about you. same as a sheitel, it does cover your “erva” but in a way that no one will know it is covered.
    The funnies is (in five towns and other MO enclaves) when the women take their real hair and pull it over the sheitel on front/top, so the top is entirely their own real hair, and the sheitel is underneath their hair. why even bother wearing a sheitel in that case?

  • Frum but Fun April 30, 2009, 1:54 PM

    I’m just curious what these sexy dressers have to say for themselves. That style was once coined as “the frum provocative look”. I eloquently refer it to as the “frum wet look”. They look as though they participated in a wet t-shirt contest. They may as well get down with it and do a strip tease. All they are lacking is fishnet stockings and a pole. They may as well employ at a brothel.

  • Frum Satire April 30, 2009, 2:02 PM

    Adena I just heard that there is a growing group of people who are speaking out against the “so called” halacha of covering ones hair saying that the place we derive it from is crazy – then again if we constantly did this nothing would ever be right.

    • pinx carli June 4, 2013, 2:15 PM

      its an explicit law in shalchun aruch(oruch chaim ch.75) to keep the mitzvah of kisui harosh.the lubavitcher rebbe maintains the best way is to wear a sheitel for numerous reasons -the sheitel advantage is a greta book of reference .
      anyways just wanted to clarify that

  • Rivka N. April 30, 2009, 2:12 PM

    This debate always frustrates me. Why do people believe that once you are married you can no longer be attractive unless you are alone with your husband?
    The most important thing is to cover your hair, period. How you prefer to is your choice.
    The argument that sheitels look better than your real hair is ridiculous, I know maybe women who look better in tichels than their own hair. And I’ve heard girls argue that when a woman takes of her shaitel her hair is messy and unattractive for her husband. Guess what, the same is true for any hair coverings.
    The Lubavitcher Rebbe was very big on sheitels for 3 reasons.
    1. It covers the hair fully more than any other covering.
    2. A woman would be much less likely to take it off if she for example was embarrassed or upset.
    3. So the woman would feel and look beautiful.

    One of the biggest issues with Jewish woman today is negative self images and esteem. Nowhere does the Torah say a woman should not be attractive. We are a proud and beautiful people, and this should reflect whether we are single, or married.
    It was because the woman used mirrors in Egypt to make themselves beautiful for their husbands that we did not die out in Egypt, and we were redeemed in their merit, so to should we be redeemed in the merit of the Righteous, Beautiful women.

  • S.H. April 30, 2009, 2:21 PM

    I would like to comment on this “rant” which is at best just misinformed and misplaced anger. First of all if it’s the lost art of tznius in the frum world that you are complaining about, the best advice to spiritual maladies is to start in your own backyard and be an example to others rather then worrying about what they do. This is especially hypocritical if you are claiming that it is betetr not to follow the guidlines of our rabbis as they interpret torah from mesorah by uncovering hair or wearing pants. If these woman are displaying faulty tznius by wearing skirts that are too tight, the answer is not that they should wear pants but that they should get a better understanding of the essesnce of tznius and therefore wear looser skirts. This would be the case with innappropriate sheitels as well. The mitzvah of covering your hair is brought down in gemarahs (as orthodox jews we believe in torah shbaal peh) It is apparently a chok where no direct reason is given. Only that right after a woman gets married her hair then becomes ervah. All ervah is not allowed to be seen by men. Obviously that does not appy to your husband. Woman are not supposed to show more then a tefach(fist full) of hair from under their covering therfore the covering must be secure to ones head. Sheitels happen to stay on very well. It is accepted in most communities to allow woman to wear sheitels so that they look and feel presentable and even attractive. It is the case sometimes unfortunately for woman to take that too far. This problem stems from much deeper sources of self esteem, gashmiusdik world in general, and lack of undertanding of our role as woman and the essence of tnius in general. These problems by no means underestimates the importance of fullfilling the mitzvos and does not indicate that those who don’t are right. If people feel looked down upon or guilt that they are not fullfilling those mitzvos , it is better to learn about them and fullfill them properly then to degrade and criticize others who are trying.

  • Anonymous April 30, 2009, 2:24 PM

    Lynn Schreiber’s book about hair covering says she interviewed many rabbanim who said there’s no longer a chiyuv for kisui rosh but none of them would be quoted by name as saying that because they were afraid for their reputations. One rabbi told my rabbi friend that hair-covering reminds him of the Taliban.

  • mavash April 30, 2009, 2:46 PM

    we’re getting to the point where you can only tell the married ones because theyre fat

  • Frum Satire April 30, 2009, 2:49 PM

    Mavash – and how come no one covered their hair until recently. Even Rav Solevatchiks wife didn’t cover her hair

  • Jewish Blogmeister April 30, 2009, 2:59 PM

    Heshy always finds the hot button topics 🙂 I guess that’s what makes him so popular or to some..infamous,lol. The bottom line is this: if you want to find a heter or a reason not to do something in yiddishkeit it’s fairly easy to do so. No serious posek ( at least not the majority) is going to say that there is no longer a need for women to cover their hair. Most of these comments have gone over the points of head covering and tzinius to be 2 different things and they are right. I think what you have to keep in mind is that all the commandments in the torah are intuitive some are very counter-intuitive take this weeks parsha and the issur of molech if one kills ( according to those that say that you sacrifice you child to the idol named molech) his only child he’s considered to have committed idolatry but if he killed all his chikldren ( although he may be tried for murder) he’s not killed for idolatry because the way of sacrificing to molech was only one child.

  • unfrum April 30, 2009, 3:27 PM

    great line mavash!

    my wife covers her hair but she does it for social reasons more then religious. We live in a community that would stone us if she left the house with her hair uncovered.

  • Sergeant J April 30, 2009, 3:38 PM

    You mean history has not been rewritten on that yet?

  • Yochanan April 30, 2009, 3:51 PM

    Can anyone tell me what’s up with women wearing dresses with huge belts over the midriff? Is this a “yeshivish” thing?

  • Yochanan April 30, 2009, 3:59 PM

    “I have recently gotten away from this to the point that I would date girls who never plan on covering their hair”

    Wouldn’t that look weird with you in a kippa and flowing tzitzit and your wife without a head covering?

  • Yochanan April 30, 2009, 4:01 PM

    “Mavash – and how come no one covered their hair until recently. Even Rav Solevatchiks wife didnt cover her hair”

    I’ve heard that too. Is their any proof?

  • MarriageNewbie April 30, 2009, 4:05 PM

    You are an idiot.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. The way to solve “tight skirts” isn’t “pants” – it’s LOOSE SKIRTS.

    The way to solve slutty provocative shaitels isn’t “nothing”, it’s SIMPLE SHAITELS.

    God, when you talk about making excuses for doing whatever you want…….

    • anon January 20, 2014, 12:07 PM

      u said it!! thanx!!! thses ppl r getting me down!!! so crooked messed up way of thinking!!

    • Oh Tee August 20, 2015, 8:41 PM

      I don’t think it’s about that…it’s about people who elevate themselves above each other. People can wear tight skirts and long sheitels. Just don’t elevate yourself above someone who wears pants and keeps their hair tied back in a ponytail. That’s crazy.

  • k April 30, 2009, 4:15 PM

    I’m with Rivka on this one. GRANTED I get what you’re saying–if it’s all sexy and fabulous ok it draws attention maybe not the best thing… but a lot of people in the comments seem to think that the only way to be tznius is to look BAD. Everyone already talked about erva so I’m not gonna say anything about that… but nobody seems to understand that women have an obligation to look good and put together. And if you think women are gonna get married and then ugly themselves up so that nobody will notice them… you’re using a non-Jewish definition of modesty. I’m so sick of guys ranting about women not covering their hair the way they want them to. Have you thought at all about how difficult this mitzvah is? So it’s not enough for a girl to cover her hair every time she goes out for the rest of her life, she can’t even look nice doing it? I don’t wine about guys who don’t make minyan. Not your mitzvah… none of your business.

  • Phil April 30, 2009, 4:23 PM

    A married woman’s uncovered hair is considered ervah, even if she is a 90 year old gray haired woman, you can’t hold a minyan in the room if she’s there because she is considered “naked”.

    While I personally feel that women shouldn’t be allowed to cover their hair using sheitels (especially human hair custom $2000 ones), the Lubavitcher Rebbe held the exact opposite, so who am I to argue?

    My wife likes the expensive sheitels, I just shut up and pay the bill every time she decides it’s time for a new one.

    Funny enough, my M.O. cousin and Sephardi friend both force their wives to wear snoods, hats or bandanas. My wife feels sorry for them. Any time they show up to a wedding or Bar Mitzva, they stick out like sore thumbs.

    Here is my question:

    If a woman gets breast implants , is she then allowed to show them off to other men since they aren’t real?

  • Mark April 30, 2009, 4:31 PM

    It just seems to me that all of these people who look down on others that dont wear skirts or cover their hair are actually full of crap themselves, or am I just off my rocker?[space]

    Anyone who looks down on people for such trivial reasons is full of crap and has a little evil thrown in as well.

    Let me guess, youre someone that would say chassidus is a bit of BS?[space]

    a bit? 🙂 But seriously, Chassidut is perfectly fine right up until the point at which you begin telling me how to live my life.

    Adena I just heard that there is a growing group of people who are speaking out against the so called halacha of covering ones hair saying that the place we derive it from is crazy[space]

    So what? There’s also a large and growing group of people speaking out against the halacha of kosher. They’re called the Reform 🙂

    • RebTirza July 3, 2011, 12:17 AM

      No, you’re wrong. Lawa of Kashrut are in the Torah. Hair coverings are not. Tefillin and mezuzot are mentioned in the Torah.,,,,not head coverings. So, those who want to follow rabbis who say it’s a necessity, go for it. But those who are looking for a Torah-based reason should be respected as well. None of this should be anyone else’s business. A pants-wearing, unhatted woman who does good deeds and treats everyone well and gives charity is worth more than a thousand tznius women who are judgemental.

      • pinx carli June 4, 2013, 7:25 PM

        Hashem knows what is best for us and following rabbanim is a law from the torah!your statement in itself is judgmental and we cant start evaluating whats worth more or less. WE just try to be the best we can and of course according to halacha!

      • anon January 20, 2014, 12:16 PM

        is too in the tora
        read the parsha of sota with the commentaries and when u got the facts then you are welcome to give ur opinions
        its very easy to just b a cardiac jew, its no bitul of ur natural party animal! i had gorgeous hair and when i put on a wig (which is not expensive btw but still pretty) everyone said that it’s a shame. its hard wrk!!! and then u see ladies out there saying ur efforts r worth NOTHING and u dont need to try to do whats right
        just because its easier
        Theyre the judgmental ones. everyone needs to stop judging ppl who r different to them, and its not only the ppl who are frummer than u who are judging, if youd take the time to get off the defensive and see the human being under the differences.

        • Oh Tee August 20, 2015, 10:04 PM

          The source of the sota is not clear btw… There’s a debate whether it’s “uncovered” or “loosened” (ie. her hair was in a braid). There’s no specific direct biblical commandment which says ‘you should cover your hair’. The “commandment” is rabbinical in nature, claimed to be “oral torah”. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn’t. Maybe it’s a custom that became a law… I doubt it’s a sheitel. Even if the oral torah said, ‘cover your hair’, nowhere does it say ‘cover your hair with a wig’. It wouldn’t even fulfill the oral torah commandment if it existed as wigs didn’t exist back them. It’s like adding a spice to an incense mixture used in the temple. You’re adding to torah. Sheitel’s are a modern day convention and “modernize torah”. Point being. Don’t act superior. Do you have a hamsa in your home right now? That violates a biblical commandment even though it’s claimed otherwise. The word itself is arabic. Anyone who justifies a foreign custom being incorporated in Judaism like this is basically repeating the sins committed in the book of Judges. Throw it out (unless it has G-d’s name on it) in that case bury it. Don’t act superior.

  • my wife has an expensive sheittle April 30, 2009, 5:10 PM

    I agree with Adena, growing up not frum, hair covering weirded me out, and still I always feel bad that this is a difficult mitzvah for my wife, but I am impressed that she is always makpid about having her hair covered.

    Mainly she wears hats a lot now (which are also very expensive for some reason), but when she was working everyday, she couldn’t wear a hat, a snood, tichel or whatever, she had to wear a sheittle, this way she could work, “fit in” (they still gave her a really hard time about leaving before 6 on a Friday), and still observe this difficult mitzvah.

    Lastly, this entire conversation fails to take into consideration the fact that although the sheittle is not the ideal solution to hair covering, but it is the best solution given the requirements of living in chutz l’aretz and working for or interacting with non-Jews. Our halacha takes into consideration the needs of the community and where we are able to enable someone to fulfill a “mitzvah” (more on this), we should be matir, although its questionable if that is what’s going on here anyway.

    I think its incorrect to look at the motivation of a woman who is following something that is categorized as a “Das Yehudis” (in Kesubos I believe) and we don’t exactly know what that is. We know that the sugya is not crystal clear, and for liberal opinions, see Mattisyahu Broyde (Rabbi Michael Broyde) who is one of the three people who sit on the beis din of america, for machmir opinions see Rav Ovadia (funny that he is machmir over here, he’s usually people’s favorite meikel), Rav Moshe is also pretty clear here I believe. The penalty for a women not covering her hair being Over this das yehudis according to the gemora is that she can be divorced without receiving her kesuba.

    I heard Rabbi Rakeffet on a tape say that women should have a sheittle that is not better than their current hair. He said that Tova Lichtenstein wears a grey sheittle. He said that he thinks the correct thing to do is wear a hat or some kind of snood/tichel/whatever, but many girls who put on sheitlach, come from families were their mothers never covered their hair, so to do so is a big step and she should be given a lot of credit.

    • MadMaxInJerusalem July 3, 2011, 4:30 AM

      Sephardic custom generally doesn’t recognize a wig as a proper way of covering the hair, although many religious, shomer mitzvot Sephardim ( especially in Morocco ) didn’t cover their hair at all. Generally it seems that hair covering was a culturally relative way of a woman indicating that she was married and was the custom among the majority of non-Jews as well. A wig doesn’t serve this purpose at all as the average man can’t tell the difference. In today’s society it’s better to wear a wedding ring than a wig.

  • Advah April 30, 2009, 6:14 PM

    Yeshiva dude, I totally agree w/ you. I thought the wig was supposed to look like a wig or what’s the point?

    Personally I’d rather slap a snood onto my naturals.

  • ghettomama April 30, 2009, 6:47 PM

    back off guys

    frum jewish women have a hard time putting up with so much rubbish shoved at us. what we wear on our head, on our bodies, should not be up for so much scrutiny that you give us nicknames. There is something very creepy and overly sexualized about the dissecting and discussion of individual body parts.
    Please start seeing women as people, created in the divine image, not standard bearers of your political religious cultural belonging.

    and finally

    please take responsibility for your own sexuality and spirituality.

    thank you

  • Mark April 30, 2009, 7:13 PM

    If a woman gets breast implants , is she then allowed to show them off to other men since they arent real?

    Breast implants (other than rarely medically necessary) are probably assur to begin with. Similar to smoking, it puts you at risk.

  • Anonymous April 30, 2009, 7:21 PM

    Rivka N. …

    Dont’ forget that most of Lubavitchers are in the ‘kiruv’ business (although they hate that term) and in order to do their tafkid, they need to look ‘goyishe-normal’. If a secular yid sees a rebbetzin with a tichel, it’s a turn-off unless she knows why tichels are necessary. If the yid sees the rebbetzin with a sheitel, at least it looks somewhat normal and she would be somewhat obliged to listen to what the wonderful rebbetzin has to say.

  • Phil April 30, 2009, 8:02 PM


    Implants are a lot safer than they used to be, and though they aren’t a medical necessity, they can definitely boost sagging shalom bayis (and other things 😉

    My point is that if a woman can show off the fake nakedness of her hair, why not fake boobs?

  • Cosmetic Surgery April 30, 2009, 8:44 PM

    The psak for nosejobs and breast enhancement is a place of muddy waters.

    Rav Feinstein ruled that in the pursuit of shidduchim it is permissible.

    But the Tzitz Eliezer takes the view that G-d gave us our bodies, and trying to “perfect” them or change them in any way is ultimately harmful to ourselves.

    Any risk to one’s life caused by the unnecessary surgery would be a strong reason to avoid going under the knife.

    Bleich rules that it is permissible in times of great need. No halachic authority has rules that it is permissible for convenience.

  • Adeena Zoo April 30, 2009, 10:52 PM

    Yes. The most important facet of Kiruv is to look as much like a shikse as possible, to attract the men and make it more appealing for the women.

    This makes perfect sense. This is why the women in my neighborhood look like supermodel shikses.

  • Double M April 30, 2009, 11:14 PM

    Well if I remember correctly it is permitted (by a certain cultural group) to wear pants as long as they are not revealing.

    My understanding with regards to covering her head I thought it was to a personal reminder that she is taken and to everyone else it was Im off limits. Because of this I take issue with wigs in general because there can be women walking around with bad hair cuts or cheap wigs. Cant really tell. That is why I take issue with the practice of wearing wigs in place of a head covering not to mention the way it is inferred from a case in the gamorah (not to mention that all the leaders baring a few have said that this is not permited).

    With regards to Rivkas comment at 29 (cant really speak to number 2 but the other ones)

    1) there is no requirement that the hair be totally covered
    2) I dont know about you but there are women who wear scarves and hats that look down right sexy and for much less then 3k for an imitation of her own hair.

    I remember my grandmother shipping scarves from Paris to sell from her home to other women. Hand painted, silk, etc.

  • G*3 April 30, 2009, 11:25 PM

    You’re assuming that covering hair has a point outside of keeping a cultural norm. Whether or not women covered their hair depends very much on where and when. Women covering their hair is a middle eastern custom, and guess where Jews are from?

  • Michal bas Avraham April 30, 2009, 11:39 PM

    FS: Are there men who prfer their wifes sheitle to her real hair?

    I’m sure… look at all these women who BUZZ their hair. My rabbi said they don’t really do that but, I see the short hair peeking of the sides of tichels and I think a lot of women do.

  • Rivka N. April 30, 2009, 11:44 PM

    K, (and for everyone else) I’m just gonna add an important note. Covering your hair has nothing to do with tzius, if it did all girls would cover their hair from the age of 3-9(depending who you ask) when a girl must start observing the laws of tzius.
    Also if a sheitel can be deemed untznius so could a similar real hairstyle. And I’m sure most of you would be furious if someone said that woman should not style their hair or have really long hair because its immodest. And there is Rabbis and communities who do believe this.

    Anonymous , I really do not believe that the Rebbe ever made any connection to Shlichus\Kiruv and sheitels. Honestly if it was an issue of “fitting in” I’m sure he would have the men wear something different and more modern .
    And about Rav Solevatchiks wife not covering his hair, when asked why his wife did not cover her hair he would reply, “Ask my wife”.
    And ultimately it is the womans mitzva and the womans choice. So whatever she feels the most comfortable and beautiful in we should all applaud and respect her choices.

    • anon January 20, 2014, 12:22 PM

      just a matter of interest – b4 the Rambam (Maimonides) made a takana that girls shld not cover thir hair til their married, they did cover it from age 3. Which is why some unmarried Moroccan girls cover their hair while bentching or saying brochos.

  • Michal bas Avraham May 1, 2009, 12:06 AM

    Frum but fun, umm, I see these girls in fishnets all the time, don’t you?

    Mavash-that’s silly, you can tell because it has that “sheitel look” not because the woman is fat. Although, I will agree. The women are like size 2, get married and they are size 22 10 years later.

    Yochanan, could the belt be to carry house keys on Shabbos? I know some women who have to do that. One lives in an eruv community but the landlord didn’t get it when they rented in the eruv or something like that, so they can’t carry in their building.

  • A. Nuran May 1, 2009, 1:35 AM

    I really don’t get it. You take a woman’s hair, whack it off and cover it with someone else’s hair. Because that’s “modest”.

    Meanwhile the men are required to walk around with huge jutting secondary sexual characteristics sticking out of the bottoms of their faces.

    My wife, by the bye, wears a scarf. Yes, it lets some of her hair show. If someone gets an erection because of that that’s his problem.

  • ipitythefoo May 1, 2009, 1:36 AM

    There is also a question involving the shtetls of Europe…. women in ever village did not fully cover their hair, even if they were shomer mitzvos. What does this say? Isnt this whole inyan more of a reflection of the cultural state of Jews in exile more than anything else?

  • Scott Steinberg May 1, 2009, 4:08 AM

    Am I allowed to wear tight black pants so women can wonder if that is TWO Rolls of QUARTERS in my pants?

  • Soul Bratha May 1, 2009, 4:54 AM

    “My wife likes the expensive sheitels, I just shut up and pay the bill every time she decides its time for a new one.”-Phil
    Ah come on Phil you dint really say that did you.Come on you gots to show her who the boss.If my homegirl axed me to pay fo a $2000 wig Id tell her she best be comin up wit the money.I cant afford these things I is a nam vet

  • Bsamim Smoker May 1, 2009, 5:00 AM

    Sounds like your still high on
    agent orange.pretty trippy dude

  • Bsamim Smoker May 1, 2009, 5:17 AM

    Yo Soul Bratha, heard yo mama was the first black woman millionare.

  • Soul Bratha May 1, 2009, 5:18 AM

    What you talkin about Bsamin Smoker

  • Bsamim Smoker May 1, 2009, 5:19 AM

    She charged a buck a head at the million man march.

  • Soul Bratha May 1, 2009, 5:22 AM

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!Good one man

  • ME May 1, 2009, 6:42 AM

    I agree with MarriageNewbie . You are an idiot! no more is needed…your website explains it all.

  • Soul Bratha May 1, 2009, 7:31 AM

    Dear ME
    You dont got no sense of humor do you, you ever heard the song”miva gedala leat bizka chumme”or somthin like tht,( ax one of the yeshiva duds they know the words to that song), anyway it means be happy all the time

  • Soul Bratha May 1, 2009, 7:39 AM

    You startin to sound like them rabbis that says you aint allowed to use the internets. If you don’t like the site why you on here.Go back to Lakewood and sell sheitels or somthin!!

  • Phil May 1, 2009, 7:54 AM


    Following your reasoning, kiruv women should get implants and go topless. Without a doubt, they’ll attract much more guys. Since the implants are fake (just like sheitels), their shouldn’t be any problem.

    Soul Bratha,

    I pocket her paycheck every week, paying the bills is the least I can do.

    She’s boss of the house, I’m boss of the bank accounts, works our well.

  • Yochanan May 1, 2009, 8:47 AM


    The outside (nipples, etc.) of the breast implants remain the same.


    Could be. But, I doubt it. These belts are huge and the only keys I could see them carrying are those ceremonial “keys to the city” that celebrities get. Like I said before, they go on the midriff and not on the waist. Also, they accentuate their breasts quite a bit.

  • Phil May 1, 2009, 8:51 AM


    What if they wore a bikini top?

  • Yochanan May 1, 2009, 8:54 AM

    Do Jewish women really feel that self-conscious about wearing a headscarf in their office? They might look a little out of place, but Muslim women are able to do it.

  • Phil May 1, 2009, 9:11 AM

    Some Jews are very self conscious about their Judaism when it comes to the workplace. That’s where people found heterim for not wearing a yarmulka to work, shaving on sefira, etc.

    What I don’t get is how Jews for thousands of years managed to get by with tichels, snoods, hats and turbans. Suddenly, these icons became unfashinable in our eyes women’s eyes.

    In Lubab neighborhood, even it’s frowned upon for women to go out with a snood, as a sheitel is considered more “chassidish”.

    Sadly, muslims are more proud of their religion than we are. They have no problem making their views known to all instead of apologizing. They have no problem enforcing everyone praying 5 times a day in theit countires hospitals, airports, governmental offices, etc. Futhermore, they are willing to mobilize millions of people into protest for the slightest comment about there religion, the famous mohamed cartoon comes to mind.

    When was the last time Ben Gurion airport stopped operations for everyone to daven shachris or mincha with a minyan?

    Does the knesset have a break for mincha?

    When was the last time you saw a Jewish protest against the denouncers of the deiers of the Torah?

  • SHAINE MAIDEL May 1, 2009, 9:13 AM

    Heshy – At your age you should be willing to date any frum woman who’s willing to go out with you! It’s time you stop searching for that trphy wife and get real.

  • Bsamim Smoker May 1, 2009, 9:39 AM

    Shaine Maidel
    Ah excuse me, Heshy has Hollywood celebrity status( at least in blogosphere)trust me he CAN afford to be picky.Have you ever hear of the frumsatire groupies?just kiddin.But seriously he does have notoriety per excellance. and might have to hire full time security to fend off the paparatzi

  • Bsamim Smoker May 1, 2009, 9:42 AM

    Who knows you might see Heshy on the red carpet pretty soon.

  • Frum Satire May 1, 2009, 9:55 AM

    Shaine Maidle, you obviously don’t know me or are trying to egg the conversation on. The women I go out with are anything but trophy wives. I like my women dirty and raw, no makeup, no nothing – I don’t even mind hairy legs – I only request several things of my wife – you ready.

    She must be willing to pee anywhere, even if there is no toilet paper.

    She must no how to read a map.

    She must be a fan of sleeping outside, hiking and romping in the woods.

    She must be intellectually challenging

    She must believe in God

    She shouldn’t be too fond of makeup, hair care products and shopping

    Looks like the opposite of a trophy wife to me

    Why spend 3 grand on a sheitle when a scarf costs 10 bucks?

  • Mark May 1, 2009, 10:11 AM

    FS, This describes my wife almost perfectly. Unfortunately (for you), she is taken and all her sisters are taken. My wife will pee anywhere (even on the side of the street in Tel Aviv – don’t ask, did you know that pretty much everything in parts of Tel Aviv are closed on Shabbat?) if necessary, we first started going out on a Chevra LeHaganat HaTeva (SPNI – Society for the protection of nature in Israel) trip in Midbar Yehuda where everyone slept outside under the stars, she is my navigator when we travel, she is smarter than I am, she believes in God and has a sensitive soul, she almost never uses makeup (unless a mother-in-law or mother forces her for a “special” simcha), she uses the same plain shampoo that I do (the one that is on sale for the best price), she shops at the thrift stores and uses coupons as much as possible, she doesn’t wear a shaitel and never even considered it for a second. But she is *my* trophy wife, the greatest eshet chayil I’ve ever known, and a very good mother to our 5 kids.

    But if I ever come across another girl that fits this description, I’ll be sure to send her your way.

  • Phil May 1, 2009, 10:52 AM


    Good luck finding one of those, no wonder you’re not married yet.

    A few things to consider:

    They sell these portable urinals for outdoorsy women at the hunting/fishing stores, they fit in your pocket.

    Women are inherently incapable of following directions without guidance. I’m not saying this as a chauvinist, it has been scientifically proven. They interviewed one guy that used to be a girl, he said the major difference he noticed was being able to trust his new sense of direction without getting lost.

    Other than that, you find the other qualities in a minority of women, but I know a few do exist. Be aware that the few that I know of aren’t lookers.

    • Oh Tee August 20, 2015, 8:45 PM

      Actually I’m 6 out of 8 of the qualities he lists. Not unreasonable.

  • tesyaa May 1, 2009, 11:36 AM

    I’ve commented on other blogs that I need a realistic looking sheitel for my corporate job. (The sheitel is not sexy, but I’ll admit, nicer than my actual hair). I’ve gotten the comment back that “oh, I cover my hair with a hat, I’m a big corporate vp, blah blah blah”. I don’t believe it. Even the African American women where I work do their hair in the most Caucasian style possible. Sticking out is bad in a corporate job.

    Hesh, you probably are looking for a non-coverer, you have a problem with snoods too, if I recall from previous posts. Nothing wrong with that.

    (Snoods are very comfortable, however…like a sock for your head. When my kids start screaming I pull it down over my face, to hide).

  • tesyaa May 1, 2009, 11:40 AM

    Muslim women may wear scarves to work, but how high up are they on the corporate ladder? Where I work, even the African American women wear their hair in the whitest possible style.

  • A. Nuran May 1, 2009, 11:50 AM

    Speaking of makeup….

    Some years back Oil of Olay had a “send in your beauty secret” contest. My wife’s entry must have been lost in the mail. That’s the only explanation for it not winning:

    1) Have at least one Chinese grandparent
    2) Never, ever wear makeup.

  • HATES YWN May 1, 2009, 11:57 AM

    The title of this post should really be “Sexy sheitles and the age of BS Judaism”

  • Aviva J. May 1, 2009, 2:41 PM

    Any girl who captured Heshy’s heart would be a very lucky girl indeed.

    Besides, girls love guys who can make them laugh. I have a friend who says that winning a woman takes three things: funny, money and honey. Makes sense.

  • Anon girl May 2, 2009, 11:49 PM

    I fit that Heshy’s description but, I wouldn’t want him and he wouldn’t want me. Would you consider a black woman?

  • Chris_B May 3, 2009, 9:10 AM

    No one mentioned the idea that a mitzvah should be done as beautifully as possible?

    I’m starting to think that “Soul Bratha” is Bsamim Smoker’s alt…


    Like I said before, they go on the midriff and not on the waist. Also, they accentuate their breasts quite a bit.

    That pretty much answers the question right there. Sounds like these belts do all the work of a girdle without the effort and discomfort.


    What I dont get is how Jews for thousands of years managed to get by with tichels, snoods, hats and turbans.

    Maybe living in isolated villages and ghettos had something to do with it?

    They have no problem enforcing everyone praying 5 times a day in theit countires hospitals, airports, governmental offices, etc.

    You want the Jewish world should be more like the Muslims? Think theres a need for a Taliban to enforce standards?

  • Phil May 3, 2009, 4:41 PM

    I’m just saying that they take their religion to heart more than many of us do. No one in their countries dares mock islam the way Jews in Israel mock the Torah and our laws. Satire is one thing, contempt is another. The mainstream zionist have been trying to ban religion since day 1.

  • nazi sucks May 3, 2009, 5:38 PM

    Keep u the good work nazi pig! Hitler would be so proud of you! This anti-semitic site is run by the Aryan Brotherhood and the American nazi party. Fuck off nazi dick-suckers!

  • Mark May 3, 2009, 6:31 PM

    Phil – The mainstream zionist have been trying to ban religion since day 1.

    I know the history, though they seem ambivalent. They say “Shabbat Shalom” every week, they say “Chag Sameach” when appropriate. They ensure all chagim are national holidays. Even days that make chagim easier like erev chag on Friday is a holiday. So, ban is not the right word.

  • Margelit May 4, 2009, 3:16 AM

    ‘Ain’t nobody should be judgin me ‘cept Gd. So chill and let my Father do His job.

    Salt n’ Pepa

  • a voice May 4, 2009, 6:30 AM

    many of the comments here along with the author of the site demonstrate a certain corruptness of thought and expression.
    Your “modern” orthodox knowledge is quite
    infantile and shows that a little information can be dangerous and useless. Stuck in your mode of “I ain’t moving from here” Judaism (which is not too distant from reform and con Judaism), you have yet to continue the growing process which brings about greater spirituality and practice. crude language, self-serving arrogance, limited knowledge show how removed a MO Jew can become.

  • Torahoutlook May 4, 2009, 9:52 AM

    All should read this post carefully as you will read a different perspective on this topic.

    Yes, a sheitl can be more beautiful than a womens own hair, yet it is not sensual. Would any married women out there say that it feels better to have their husbands run their hands through their sheitl as opposed to their own hair? We may not think in these terms because we are desensitized to the fact that the sole purpose of a womens own hair is for its own natural beauty. The reason for a woman to cover their hair is that a womens own sensual self has an address (when married) and showing this to the world is a desecration of what marriage is all about. Never the less, wearing a Sheitl that attracts does not solve the issue of one being objectified. Many authorities say that although a Shteil may not be the first choice of hair covering, yet by permitting Shteils, more women will cover their own hair.

  • Phil May 4, 2009, 11:57 AM


    I thought you were referring to pubic hair…

  • Elisheva May 6, 2009, 6:42 AM

    I have never owned a “sexy sheitel”. I stopped wearing them several months ago since I decided their use (in my community) is mostly by people who claim to the halakhah standard bearers but don’t really live it. When I did wear them, my most “expensive” sheitel was $25. I purchased it from an “ethnic” store and the color matched mine pretty well. At this point, I am pretty much wearing hats and scarves as a statement.

  • Leeba May 6, 2009, 12:12 PM

    My best friend recently asked me for some help. Her husband has been cutting her hair for her for the past 8 years..their entire marriage.

    She is a Rebbetzen and of course wears one of many very attractive, real hair sheitels.

    She took off her scarf, and underneath she had near bald spots from the rubbing of the sheitels or her husband’s need of a cosmetology course.

    I nearly laughed. She asked me, “What should I do?”

    I replied, “Don’t let him touch your hair for three months and I will come back and fix this for you. With a professional. (my former sister in law)

    She was aghast. How could someone else look at her natural hair? Uh…well, um…

    I would wear only hats or scarves. My mother did the wig route and kept her hair long. Getting no air or sunshine really tore her hair up. She went to cute hats and scarves after she got sick of staying home all summer long rather than ‘put on her hair’ just to go out to the market.

    I think in my friend’s case, in my own opinion, if one is to save the feminine aspect of themselves for their husband’s eyes only, then she is doing it wrong. Her hair is horrific! How sexy can that be in the bedroom? Yet she goes out and to events in so many sexy hair styles.

    This all makes no sense to me. It is making even less sense as time goes on.

  • Leeba May 6, 2009, 12:36 PM

    Aviva J. : I am sephardi. I am also frum. My grandmother never wore any head covering except for a scarf. I have a great photo of her when she first immigrated from Turkey to the states. Both she and my mother, a toddler in the photo, have scarves that have slipped off their heads and are around their shoulders.

    My mother re-married when I was 10 and began the sheitel deal. Real hair. Real expensive. All of her friends had them. Before that, she found that a cute cap or hat was just the right touch to go with her outfit.

    She went with the flow.

    Yes, the Rebbe is correct. Scarves slide off or back sometimes. Hats or caps, if not secured, could blow off. Sheitels stay put. Well, pretty much so.

    But I simply cannot imagine myself wearing fake hair to cover my own hair. Maybe that is why I will only cover with a pretty scarf or a hat.

  • Leeba May 6, 2009, 12:42 PM

    tesyaa: I am a social worker in Australia. It is a professional job. Perhaps not ‘corporate’ as you describe it, but definitely professional.

    You don’t think I stick out at work in my long skirts, long sleeves in sweltering heat, legs covered and sensible but classy shoes? I do.

    But I don’t care. I care more about modesty.

    If and when I ever get married I will cover with a hat, scarf or snood. I doubt I will go with the short hair cut and sheitel covering.

    I just cannot imagine it…

    Somewhere it says, “A womans hair is her crown of glory” (Paraphrased from Aramic/Hebrew I think) My grandmother used to say that every night to me as she brushed my hair 100 strokes then braided it up tightly.

    I might be confused. I have not decided. I just know that any sephardi man I have met is all about the scarves . Perhaps it is the company I keep, no?

  • betterthanlookinlikestraw May 6, 2009, 3:34 PM

    I’m confused, I know it says when you get married a woman’s hair becomes arva, but did I miss the part where it warns you to make sure whatever you use to cover your hair keeps you looking a little crappy so you can be seen as “tznius”? If your sheitel doesn’t move despite how hard the wind’s blowing, you’re a true aidel maidel? What’s wrong with the fact that my classmates don’t look at my head and wonder why the jewish girl has got some kind of nest on her head? am i a bad jew…because my sheitel looks like…gasp…pretty long hair? Which so happens to make a very difficult mitzva (cuz ya despite how pretty a wig is it still friggin hot and itchy under it!) a bit easier because you look nice?

    • anon January 20, 2014, 12:35 PM

      maybe everyone forgot that u always have to look good to ur husband (as far as humanly possible, we’re not talking worrying about it while puking in the toilet and 3 mins after pushing out a baby) and wtvr he prefers to see u in (within halacha) if he wants you to wear boro park h**kers clothes U SHLD. in the house.

  • ex chusid who is now stam jewish May 6, 2009, 4:49 PM

    It is obvious that the reason for covering the hair is to remove the hairs attraction. If the Torah would have in the middle of nowhere come to us with a commandment “v’chisisoh es roshechoh” (“and thou shalt cover thy head”) then we could have argued whether the reason for this is tznius or not, but it doesnt say this anywhere and the whole thing is learned from the sotah who as Rashi says uncovered her hair to make herself attractive to another man, so obviously the whole taam is tznius and a sheitel (at least roiv of todays sheitelech) defeat the point.
    Also if the taam is not tznius why is the halochoh brought in even hoezer between the halochos of richuk from aroyos, if it is a chok it should be brought in yoreh deah maybe by the halochos of bosor becholov or something. Also why do all the books on tznius put out by the sheitel wearers husbands themselves bring the inyan of covering the hair if it is completely not connected to tznius. In fact the sheitel wearers themselves admit this since they frown at those who dont cover their hair as pritzusdik, how come if it is a chok? The most ridiculous thing is the chassidish ones who shave their hair cos their so tzniusdik but wear a custom sheitel on top, and wear supposed to believe that their more tzniusdik than some lady in a snood or tichel who has a few hairs stickings out? I think someone should bring out a new skin tight body suit that covers the whole body and is completely opaque but looks like the skin, it could be advertised in Torah times etc as being very tznius and in fact better than wearing clothes which can at times ride up uncovering skin, I wonder what the communities reaction would be?

  • s(b.) May 6, 2009, 11:22 PM

    re: Heshy’s list
    That’s it? That’s easy. Prepared women carry or can improvise something they can use as toilet paper, if necessary, anywhere and everywhere.

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