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My first shabbos in Far Rockaway with my new family

I tried to have an open mind, I really did, Far Rockaway cant be that bad can it? I mean aesthetically its reminiscent of my college which was probably designed by the same people that designed prisons in Siberia, but who cares about architecture, if you even want to call the drab that exists in Far Rockaway. A few older nicer looking homes are here and there, hidden by vast pine trees and one really odd placed bamboo forest, but the bulk of Far Rockaway is plain old unpleasing to the eye, but lets not get too negative.

It’s cheaper to live there and as a result it has seen an influx of ultra orthodox Jews over the years, the black and white variety are most common, at least from I have seen so far. Besides for being a bedroom community, or a wannabe mix of suburbia and urban settings devoid of any cultural or interesting things to do, it provides housing and community for a large community Jews.

I am not fond of cut off areas in general and Far Rockaway is cut off from most things, yes you could walk to the subway which can put you into the city without a car, but within walking distance there is exactly one item which one could call entertaining, even though to me its not, that is the beach. The entertainment district which is made up of kosher restaurants and wig shops is a long strip of shops called Central Avenue, and although everyone has told me it has everything you could ever want, I have yet to find a book shop or a nice coffee shop besides for Starbucks – which started to sell instant coffee, leading me to the conclusion that holding the Starbucks cup wont do anything for your social status anymore, unless you hang around teeny boppers who wouldn’t know the difference between Jamaican Blue Mountain and Folgers.

However despite all of these negative connotations I understand why people live in Far Rockaway, it is close enough to the city to get to work and go out, yet far enough to be relatively cheap while providing a Jewish community complete with schools, shuls and yeshivas. I don’t know how my father could move from there from the happening life of the upper west side, but he seems relatively satisfied, because I think he misses the nonconformist shul situation on the upper west side, he complained today about having to wear his suit jacket with his Talis, I told him to take it off, but my father the political rabble rouser said that he didn’t want to stand out. I can just imagine him donning a black hat next, despite the fact he rants like a lunatic about how when he was in Lakewood only the roshei yeshiva wore black hats.

So I tried to keep an open mind, I didn’t want to stay in Far Rockaway for shabbos, I would have preferred to be in Albany or Washington Heights or anywhere more entertaining, but I haven’t seen my old man in a few months so I stayed.

My fathers Friday night shul choice is the Shulitzer or something like that. Its just up the block, it seems that everything in Far Rockaway is “just up the block”. As was expected I was the only one in a colored shirt, until a late straggler with a blue shirt walked in and we locked eyes and resisted the temptation to hug each other as if we had met at Elis Island and ask each other “how they ended up here?” we casually nodded and I went back to listening to my dad tell me that the shul already started bugging him for membership money even though he has only been there a few times.
It wasn’t one of those shuls where rude kids with peyos sit and stare at the “shaigetz” without a suit and a hat, it wasn’t unfriendly and wasn’t friendly, it was do your own thing. My father introduced me to one of his friends whom he knows from the old country. In this case the old country means that they used to hang out in the “Bullshit room” which is this room that was in the back of Sfardishe Shul in Borough Park. We made nice which means, he asked me where I was from and what I did, then went back to davening.

Right before maariv, this older man whom my father had been schmoozing with turns to my father and just so I could hear, he says in a stern voice.

“Let me ask you a question, would your son dress like that if he would go visit president Obama?”

“How can you let your son dress like that to shul?”

For all of your information I was wearing a dress shirt, dress pants and dress shoes.

As you can imagine I was shocked and extremely angry at the rudeness of this individual. I held my anger in and told him that where I come from people don’t care what you dress like, they are just happy to see that you are in shul. I also mentioned that he had no way of knowing that I was religious or if I had driven to shul and that if I were not religious he would probably have just caused me to reject religion all together. Then it was maariv and he wasn’t listening anyway, everyone of course turned to me and made “sh” sounds and said “nu maariv”.

I am not an angry person, I rarely get angry but this guy pissed me off so much. I started debating what I should do next. I leaned to my dad and said I was having a hard time not telling the guy to F@#$ himself, I would have done it, and have done it and my father would have secretly been proud, but I decided against it and simply left early – after telling my father that this is one of the reasons I dislike New Yorkers.

Of course my negativity didn’t last long for my buddies house was filled with old friends talking about chicks and bluegrass music. Oh and I should mention that the food was insane, my one problem with Dallas is that while the food is good – not many people know how to make heimishe food, I know, you can lambaste me for saying that, but people in Dallas just don’t know how to make kugel.

For starters we had this phenomenal salmon, with several salads and packaged salads. The soup was a perfect match of carrots, sweet potato and onions which needed no spices at all. For the main course, I and everyone around the table was impressed with the meat, schnitzel, potato kugel, carrot muffins and string beans with almond slivers in a light tomato paste.

After the meal I joined my friends at the shul/yeshiva if Mordechai Groener who was having an oneg. We got there during a speech and naturallu sat at the end of this absurdly long and narrow table, I am a huge fan of onegs by the way, although I was disappointed to find that no women were present and there were none of those vanilla cookies with sprinkles that pratically every oneg shabbos has.

The Rabbi or shall I say Rebbe was wearing a spudick, I’m a huge fan of Spudicks, they are just so pimp looking, they also make the wearer look fat no matter how skinny they happen to be. I drank some sprite and listened to the pimpin rebbe with the tall spudick. He spoke up a couple of times about us stragglers in the back who were talking. Then he related this vort which totally related to my situation earlier that night.

He said that many people would look at us guys on the end of the table who were not paying attention to the rebbes speech and scoff at them with comments like how could they come here and disturb, they just came for the booze whatever. But his view as I have found with most open minded Chassidim was that at least these guys who could be doing a number of different things on a Friday night at 10pm had trudged out of their homes to sit and hear words of torah and sing a little. Good stuff, I instantly liked the guy.

At some point after he learned my name, he was sitting over 100 feet down the table and I was on the opposite end he pointed at me and gave me the sign to come on down to the front. I sat right in front and suddenly someone said “oh my God its frum satire” and the next thing I know this hefty yeshivish guy is hugging me and thanking me for bringing joy into his life, the attention was a little much for me but I felt good and started to wonder if making people laugh is a mitzvah, then I realized that the entire front end section were all fans.

This guy from the Mir started talking about this video I did in Pomegranate grocery store in Brooklyn, and this dude who owns a janitorial supply company started talking about lulav shaking – he said that his life a little easier with my videos – a big honor I thought – now if only they started throwing beautiful girls at me I’d be set. I had a little chat with the Rebbe about my evening and left with a warm feeling in my heart.

The next day I asked my old man if we could go to the White Shul, I figured it would have a decent Kiddush because it was relatively big and that there may be some women to look at over the mechitza. I was wrong on both accounts, but I saw two people I knew so that was interesting.

My father pretty much switches off between young Israel and the White Shul, I think he hates them both, but needs a little diversity – in the upper west side you have a bunch of whacked out shuls and shteiblach to the point that most upper west siders do not stick to one shul ever. Shul hopping is more than acceptable it’s the norm.

The White Shul is classic late 1950s shul architecture and is ugly as sin. It looks like a Midwestern church from the outside and inside it looks like a wrestling ring with a balcony. The women sit upstairs and although the mechitza is low and should provide a good view, the windows are situated at the perfect angle in which the sun shines through and creates silhouettes out of the women thereby allowing you to see black figurines which are almost better then nothing at all.

Everyone in Far Rockaway is gung ho about the rabbi at the White Shul, even my dad likes his speaking. The rabbi spoke very well, but it was painful to listen to because his voice sounds fake, it also sounded as if he was holding his breath for a long time – but his speech rocked. All I remember from the speech is that he spoke about his favorite movie growing up which was Ferris Buelers Day Off, and his jaunt to ben yehuda for the first time in his life. It was a very interesting speech which I don’t recall having anything to do with the parsha or torah theme at all, but I was riveted which is totally weird because rabbis sermons are anything but riveting.

Since there was no view of any women I left shul for laining and wandered around, I found a Russian minyan and several empty rooms before I happened upon the library which had several kids reading books in it. The library was great, tons of books and even what one may call “socialist Yiddish” section of a bunch of historical type books published by random Hebrew Theological societies. I found a book on the history of the lower east side from 1880-1920 and it was super interesting, I brought it into shul and sat down with it.

After shul there wads a Kiddush, but it was lame. The only redeeming quality of the Kiddush was that they had tam tams and cream herring, it seems that the inventor of tam tams made these crackers for a shidduch with herring for I could never figure out why else they were made as octagons if only to scoop herring out of hard to fit in jars. Besides that it was shvach, it was even more displeasing due to the fact that every week in Dallas there is a hot Kiddush with cholent, and the cholent in Dallas is phenomenal.

We walked home and I had lunch with my new family which was weird but not as awkward as I thought, its kind of odd to have step sisters that are half my age and to see my dad at a real table with clothing on. Actually I haven’t even asked my dad yet how he feels to not be able to walk around in underwear anymore, now that women are in the house. I just miss the old situation, but I must say that Far Rockaway has some conveniences all of which have to do with parking spots and a high concentration of relatively cheap restaurants, while the upper west side had none. I will be hanging around the area for another month or so, if anyone wants to hang out – just email me.

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  • ahuvah February 22, 2009, 6:38 AM

    you missed the Cheese Store on Central Ave which you can but (but not sit and enjoy) fantastic coffee. personally i’d rather just go to the kosher dunkin donuts and grab a cup and a donut to go and drive over to the docks to enjoy it 😉

    i love your description of the White Shul.. i was always worried about hte men being able to see up our skirts but luckily we have the sun to protect our tznius 🙂
    Rabbi Flaum (rabbi of the white shul) is an incredible Rav – i was fortunate to have him as a teacher in high school.

  • utubefan February 22, 2009, 6:40 AM

    Belle Harbor is quite close to Far Rockaway in a car. If you go past the main drag (i think 125th) by about 10 blocks or so and park, the beach is quiet and the few people on it are quiet too. Nice place to chill on a Friday afternoon in Spring or Summer. Saturday night, you can do the drive to Long Beach, walk or bike the boardwalk and still get kosher pizza. I hate being landlocked in Monsey! Also, I thought there were a couple of “hip” kosher coffee places on Central these days.

  • utubefan February 22, 2009, 6:42 AM

    BTW, Rabbi Flaum is a Queens man, intelligent guy. So are his wife and daughter (maybe more than one, can’t remember).

  • Frum Librarian February 22, 2009, 8:51 AM

    My experience with Far Rockaway sounds the same as yours, except NO parking.

  • Jacob da Jew February 22, 2009, 8:54 AM

    I had some assshole who doesn’t daven regularly in my shul start to hock why I don’t wear a hat during my aliyah.

    Excuse me, mofo, I spent $250 bucks for it, I’ll lain it in my hawiain shirt if I feel like it, eh??

    Thankfully, the gbbai and others shushed him up real quick.

  • Anonymous February 22, 2009, 9:04 AM

    Rabbi groner is amazIng and a shar yoshuv rebbe. You should stop by there is a lot of good that goes on there.

  • crazy jewish February 22, 2009, 9:56 AM

    I am from Far rockaway and a few things:
    First; Ahuva and Utube fan, Rabbi Flaum is not part of the white shul anymore, they kicked him out (he was terrible and they were losing members by the second). The new Rabbi is R’ Feiner and he is pretty chilled, down to earth type of guy.
    Frum Satire; Far Rockaway is lame (no places to hang out no clubs to go to). It has turned mostly into a “yeshivish” community over the past 10 years. This R’ Feiner has an oneg every thursday if u wnat to go (I’ve never been since i usually am only home for shabbos). Central avenue is only good for hot chani watching (and some “ok” restuarants.
    All the shuls in far rockaway have those assholes who are “holier than thou” and don’t learn when to keep their bigotted opinions to themselves. All you have to do is make it a point to talk right back to them and they will get the message (figure your typical school bully just older) and they will stop bothering you (Just don’t go daven in any of yeshivas or the really frum shuls or all the people will “hock” you on talking during davening). Most people don’t mind if you were a colored shirt, they probably think that you went “off the derech”. If you want to go to a nice shul where they won’t comment at all and wearing a colored shirt is the norm instead of the exception, daven in cedarhurst, woodmere or some places in lawrence (they are all a minimum of a 15 minute walk from far rockaway). They are all chilled and usually accept you for who you are or try to convert you to be more “black hatter”. But usually they don’t do negative comments.

  • Daniel February 22, 2009, 9:57 AM

    the rabbi is now rabbi feiner

  • Frum Satire February 22, 2009, 10:03 AM

    It wasn’t the colored shirt – it was the fact I wasn’t wearing a suit – which is intere4sting because in the summer I wear sandals – wonder how that would go down. Good thing that if I planned to move back to NY I would either live in New Paltz or Albany.

  • crazy jewish February 22, 2009, 11:07 AM

    You should have claimed you were Israeli. They are always expected to not wear a suit and wear sandals

  • m00kie February 22, 2009, 12:05 PM

    its funny he asked if you`d go meet obama without a suit jacket on, when obama himself is known to take his off

  • veebee February 22, 2009, 12:35 PM

    I was in Lakewood for a shabbaton and I said Lakewood sucks, so some shmuck walks up to me on the street and says, “Would you use such words to your rebbi?” I turn around to him and told him that I just started being frum and no one ever told me that I’m not aloud to use the word “sucks,” but thank you for telling me. It makes them feel like the worlds biggest douche.

  • Sarah - Healthy Shabbat.com February 22, 2009, 12:41 PM

    Hi Heshy,

    I grew up in Hewlett, very close to Far Rockaway and my father’s business partner lived there until they recently moved to Monsey. You know that house with the bamboo forest? Well, they lived in that big white house that is behind it — right near the white shul.

    Just playing Jewish Geography.

    The sushi place on Central Ave is really cool (if it’s still there) Just walk in there to check out the fish tanks!

    Shor Yushuv (sp?) is a pretty cool place from what I hear. They’ll accept you no matter what shirt you’re wearing. You might want to check it out. I still know some families that are involved there…if you need an introduction…

    Just let me know 🙂

  • Phil February 22, 2009, 12:47 PM

    I hate those guys that mention hats and jackets as if they were the only clothes you’re alowed to wear when davening of visiting the king.

    If I were to visit Obama, I’d bring an extra pair of shoes to throw at him.

  • Left Brooklyn February 22, 2009, 1:59 PM

    Since the President doesn’t wear a jacket in the office and jeans and sneakers on the weekend, it sounds like you were dressed appropriately for a Presidential visit.

    What is important is that your Dad is happy and probably made him happier that you were there.

    BTW, Far Rockaway used to be a summer resort town. Your Dad would probably remember those times.

  • s(b.) February 22, 2009, 2:45 PM

    Phil wrote: If I were to visit Obama, I’d bring an extra pair of shoes to throw at him.

    [sarcasm]Wow! I want to be observant so I can have middos like that. How many years of yeshiva do I need to cultivate derech eretz like that?[/sarcasm]

  • Phil February 22, 2009, 2:54 PM

    He’d be lucky if I didn’t clobber him with the shoes!

    S.A talks about dressing for davening like you would for a prince, a creep like Obama doesn’t come close.

  • utubefan February 22, 2009, 4:00 PM

    Far Rockaway people, which coffee place on Central is the best one? I’m going back soon to visit a friend. Needs to have good muffins and/or cute little sandwiches to go with the coffee. If you don’t mind. Didn’t know about the whole Flaum thing. Alrighty then. Phil, you’re funny. s(b) do libs have good Middos when it comes to right-wing Repubs? Just asking.

  • crazy jewish February 22, 2009, 4:11 PM


    You can go to Dunkin donuts (which is all kosher, not just the coffee), Central Perk (ok food and coffee) and the Coffee bar (same as before). The cheese store has coffee but you can’t sit down. Starbux has coffee but the food isn’t kosher and it is on rockaway turnpike not on central avenue

  • Yochanan February 22, 2009, 4:47 PM


    Some kid on my Birthright trip kept on referring to a spodek as a nacho-cheese-bowl hat.

    Spodek is also a name of a stadium in Poland and it means “saucer”. Fitting name.

  • Yochanan February 22, 2009, 4:51 PM

    “Would you use such words to your rebbi?”

    I’d love to have a rebbi that I could say whatever I feel like to.

  • s(b.) February 22, 2009, 5:15 PM

    utubefan, I wouldn’t necessarily label myself as liberal (though I bet many would), and I can speak only for myself. I try to find a nice way to say I disagree with politicians whose policies aren’t compatible with my version of what they should be. Does everyone on either side of the political or the observance spectrums take the time to think about how their words represent their hashkafah or their politics? No. And a liberal or a secular Jew advocating violence would represent him/herself equally poorly, imo. (not that my opinion matters! 😆 )

  • Talmudist February 22, 2009, 5:18 PM

    Awesome Coca-Cola Classic post man; hits the spot.

  • Phil February 22, 2009, 6:48 PM


    Don’t take everything you read so seriously, especially onin this blog. Shoes might have been a bit harsh, maybe a good old pie in the face would be funnier.

  • veebee February 22, 2009, 6:58 PM

    s(b.) – you take the internet way too seriously.

  • yankel February 22, 2009, 7:59 PM

    So are Rochester or Dallas better than F. Rockaway? They are about as isolated.

  • HannaH February 22, 2009, 8:10 PM

    on the men side of the mechitzah, they check if your wearing a black hat, on the women side, they just analize everything you wear.

    my school (which is a bais yaakov) had a shabbaton on the southeast side of town, at the shul where there is a lot of kiruv. i would just lke to add tht this community is very open and friendly and everyone is looking to grow.

    so,naturally, they were all excited to see and learn from the bais yaakov girls. well, we came, and of course everyone went to shul friday night and shabbos day. so, friday night my friend overheard one kid say to here mother, “mah, why are you wearing a pink shirt? this is so embaressing! see, all the frum girls only were dark colors, how are you so not tznius?!” my friend just thought it was funny and didnt think much of it. then, on shabbos day, we were in shul and the mother was wearing gray.

    this made me sad because it is not like there are even any rules abt not wearing color, your just not suposedto wear things tht atract so much attn. it just happens to be that most people in my school are to lazy to find colorful clothing that matches so they just get black. it is just easier, since black matches every thing.who’d of thought tht it would make such an impression!

    (although, overall the shul was very happy and uplifted that we came.)

  • s(b.) February 22, 2009, 8:20 PM

    i’m sorry, folks. there’s some toxic shit going on right now, in my family, and my head has been in a rather serious/literal hole all day. may no one’s relatives ever try to do shady things that could really mess up one of your parents or grandparents, if they get away with it. and if you’re ever in a situation like that, may you not be given a parental gag order re: confronting the relative who is attempting to do harm. it’s not fun.

    and, veebee, I reserve the right to bust on people’s frumkeit when they talk about doing not nice things. and I realize that doing so doesn’t reflect so well on me, either. I certainly didn’t expect utubefan to take a political turn with it, but, whatever. if I smoked, right now, i’d be smoking.

  • Phil February 22, 2009, 9:47 PM


    Hook up with bsamimsmoker, maybe get a lil’ something for the head to help you chill out.

  • Marooned in the Midwest February 22, 2009, 10:12 PM

    Most of Far Rockaway is a conformist hell hole. I feel more comfortable in Monsey then I do there – and that’s saying something. All that aside, I knew the family with the bamboo. They were nice people.

  • s(b.) February 22, 2009, 10:27 PM

    That’s funny, Phil. I turned on “Balls of Fury,” instead (it’s a comedy about ping pong).

  • Jack In The Box February 22, 2009, 10:33 PM

    Far Rockaway and the adjoining 5 Towns are seperate entities . FR is part of the City Of NY While Lawrence is an incorporated village. For that matter so is Cedarhurst. Basically Far Rockaway is not as afflulent as is eastern neighbors. Though some shules and scho0ls are shared. The hashkafic dividing line is Rockaway Turnpike. We are all orthodox Jews. However on Shabbat you can see the difference. On the west side of Rock-Pike you will see men in black hats, black suits and women is bullet proof housecoats and plastic-like wigs. On the east sides you will see kids playing basketball in their yards, men in t-shirts and shorts & sandles and women in dressed for the summer without the headgear. Beth Sholom (bethsholom.info) is really the last of the modern ortho syangouges in the area. Though we do have quite an egalatarian Chabad

  • s(b.) February 22, 2009, 11:09 PM

    where’s the bamboo forest?

  • Phil February 22, 2009, 11:46 PM


    Egalitarian Chabad? There’s something I never heard about yet. All they need is a gay crossdressing yechi rabbi and we’re ready for Purim.

    Seriously though, do they use Tehillas Hashem or Shir Chadash?

  • s(b.) February 22, 2009, 11:59 PM

    okay, it wasn’t just me who noticed that. what’s egal chabad, a boy and a girl on the cover of the moshiach times? ((tzivos hashem))

  • Rg February 23, 2009, 12:37 AM

    I am from Far Rock ,Lawrence area & can tell you that I grew up in the Sulitz shul ,The Rebbe & his son are really frum ehrlich top of the line ,but you have alot of wierdo bal tshuva types & not heimish unfreindly american type that dave their that I myself were confronted with those kind of comments & have told many to F OFF & they just did not mess with me after that ,although I ruined my name & reputation but I just did not care at that point.The old timeres ,europeans that davened their probably are not alive anymore.Five towns in general is a pretty kool place considering close acces into manhattan by Railroad or Subway ,near bklyn & central queens ,great air quality ,exclusive shopping & cheaper real estate like Inwood & Bayswater which is actually a pretty attractive area.Chabad is always a great place to go ,unfortunatley for some wierd political reason only one chabad house exists in Cedarhurst & its usually to crowded for comfort.The bamboo area very wierd its all green even in the winter is on Bway -empire pass the white shul you cant miss it .Strange phenomenom you have to see it.

  • wowzers February 23, 2009, 1:03 AM

    now you know why i fled far rockaway to dallas for my dear life.

  • justajew February 23, 2009, 2:02 AM

    i have never lived on the east coast, though i have many relatives there so i know what it is like. it is nice to visit, but i dont think i could live there.

  • Reiss February 23, 2009, 10:47 AM

    i liked the bit about starbucks!

  • Dan the man February 23, 2009, 10:53 AM

    I dont like the fact that jet planes take off over your head in Far rock away. (In the flight path) The whole town shakes. I bet the NY Jets foot ball team got their name from living in Far rock away from all the noise from Jfk

    • DrumIntellect December 15, 2009, 11:17 PM

      Growing up in Far Rockaway, that was always great. The planes are just _that_ close!

  • Frum Satire February 23, 2009, 11:10 AM

    yankel // Feb 22, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    So are Rochester or Dallas better than F. Rockaway? They are about as isolated.

    The fact you would ask such a question leads me to think you missed the whole point of the post. All cities have areas which are isolated as do Dallas and Rochester – Dallas has 6.1 million people and lacks the culture I want – but has the ease of getting anywhere quick, Rochester is a college town and therefore has many cultural options within a short walk to the Jewish community.

    Far Rockaway is isolated from a mass transit and walking perspective and even Central avenue is not what you would call Park Slope of SoHo.

  • Rg February 23, 2009, 11:22 AM

    Still if you are orthodox their is no better place to live than in the five town area,convience ,air quality,exclusive shopping ,suburbia,all types` of frum level from very modern orthodox in Hewlett to Satmar in Bayswater,you have it all.You dont have the tackiness of southern bklyn & you dont have the city feel of central queens & yet you are within or just outside of city limits.

  • Honestlyfrum February 23, 2009, 11:27 AM

    I always hated the “would you wear this to meet the president” line. I remember when I lived in Flatbush they would use it on me all the time. It infuriates me. I wouldn’t use a dusty hat that sits in the back of my car or a ripped jacket that is missing buttons when I went to see the president. In fact, I would probably opt for shorts before a dusty hat. You should have decked the guy. I think I’ll blog about this.

  • s(b.) February 23, 2009, 4:01 PM

    Rg, if I were orthodox, I’d pick Teaneck or Highland Park, NJ, or even Long Beach, NY, over the 5 towns area (no offense, 5 townsers, just not my cup of tea). (if I had to live with commuting distance of the city) Are you ready to make the move to Boulder, Hesh? I don’t know if there’s work there, but I hear it’s nice and it’s got a good community. (it would tank your comedy-as-career aspirations, though, probably)

  • Double M February 23, 2009, 4:06 PM

    If I remember correctly Bush wore blazers with what looked like a stylish “kakai”ish pare of pants.
    O then of course Obama who does not even ware a jacket in the oval office and rolls up his sleeves as if he decided to join the line workers in manual labor.

    So to answer the “would you wear this to meet the president”…
    • Yes
    • If it good enough for the president why not me?
    • Do you expect me to dress better then the current sitting president what kind of arrogance are you trying to instill in me?
    • Your right this is a bit too formal perhaps I could opt for a pair of swimming trunks and a tee shirt

  • me February 25, 2009, 11:37 AM

    first of all, the dividing line between far rockaway and the 5towns is the 878. not rockaway turnpike. and to all the 5towners, it is extremly insulting to lump them all together. the shopping and restuarant part of central ave is not part fo the rockaways. its cedarhurst. also, you remained in a small part of town, populated by people who above all else are fearful fo there kids going off the derech, so they are wary of outsiders. had they gotten to know you, youd find they could all be quite pleasant. in addition, you weer probably giving off a “dont f with me mofo’s” vibe, so no one would want to approach you in a freinly manner, and instead mirrored your attitude. your the new person. you should seem freindly and approachable. but you dont want to be. you wanted to hate it and to have everyone be mean to you so you can write about it, so you created the situation for yourself. there are plenty of ppl in far rockaway that are waht you would consider “less narrow minded” or wtvr, and would accept you in your blue shirt, sandals and shorts. try r’ chaits shul. but it is clear that your attitude is oen wher eyoull never be happy there because you dont want to be. your no iconoclast or nonconformist. your like every 16 yr old who went off the d and now hates everything about that community, except your older than 16, so maybe its time you grewup, and stop hating things for the sake of hating things. unless this is really all some deep rooted anger towards your father for starting a new family, adn your channeling it towards the new community in which he lives because you love him too much to admits your angry from that, and the community is an easy target, especially since it is a more or less yeshivish one, which clearly you have a problem with. and also, he seems happy there, when he was clearly not so happy in his previous existence (otherwise he woudlnt have gotten remarried adn moved) so you r angry. deal with it. stop your pointless lashon hara rants against an entire community when it was probably only 5 ppl who actually pissed you off. this is not humor. and your not funny. your a sick, perverse angry man who if our not in therapy yet, should consider it becuase the anger will eat away at you physicly until it kills you

  • Double M February 25, 2009, 11:57 AM

    Wary of outsiders out of fear that the kids would go off the derech? Yes yes let us just disregard any idea of hospitality and civil actions and o yes of course pure halachah? Its like burning your house down to make sure your house does not burn down.

  • Rg February 25, 2009, 1:31 PM

    Five towns does not end at 878 it goes another block ,[shor yoshuv,bostonn shul,new mcneil ,harris all within the village of Lawrence on the nyc side of 878 ,second rockaway tnpke is the dividing line between the Lawrence ,bayswater ,far rockaway communities of yesivish ,chassidish ,black hat frum ,while the other side of rockaway tnpke would be the more modern orthodox ,although their are both on both sides ,just going by the community as a whole.Central ave is where everyone shops whether they live in bayswater far rockaway or woodmere.Just like darchei ,Tag white shul are were kids go to school or dacven during the week ,therefore the queens or nassau side west lawrence,cedarhurst , far rockaway or whatever you want to call it is one cxommunity.

  • magi August 7, 2009, 5:12 PM

    your a bunch a messed up people spewing sinach chinum.

  • Heshy Fried August 9, 2009, 12:19 AM

    Fun times isn’t it?

  • hadenough August 10, 2009, 4:15 PM

    heshy–born and bred in far rock—now live in lawrence—you will find these assholes in every shul you walk in—i do believe they are the minority and the vast majority do not care what you do or what you wear—-but these freakin a-holes always ruin it for the others……don’t let them get to you–every dog has their day(like when u catch them walking out of a strip club..etc…)

  • Lois September 7, 2009, 7:24 PM

    Before anyone talks about the Far Rockaway of today, go back in time to the Far Rockaway of yesteryear…….The subway and the trash that it brought in made it what it is today…. Change its name to “Hogans Alley” because it is certainly not the little seaside town of long ago………….

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