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Tznius policed in Ramot want separate grocery lines

I was reading Yeshiva World News this morning and yes I read them even though they suck, mostly because I have to be up on the latest scandals and chumras to hit the frum community so I can poke fun at the stupidity.

They have an article about the Tznius Police in Ramot Daled, Israel that want to implement separate lines in the grocery store for men and women. In Meah Shearim I was in a bakery that did this, it was great in my opinion, it allowed a better view of the women in line. Imagine if all lines were separate you could look at the women in full view rather then trying to look at them discreetly as you unload your groceries and grab one of those dividers to protect your bananas from touching their yogurt chas v’shalom.

Actually the only problem I have with this new decree that is trying to compete with Saudi Arabia for tough laws on women so they can eventually ban them all together (I hear they are working on ways to have children and make kugel without women) is their reasoning behind it.

“According to people close to Rav Fuchs, it appears the growing concerns regarding youths hanging on the streets on Friday night have compelled the rabbi to act, hoping to introduce increasing neighborhood awareness to tznius and the need for parents to control the actions of their children towards preserving the integrity of the neighborhood.”

So the reasoning behind this decree is that it will decrease the number of youths hanging out in the neighborhood? WTF, who does the shopping for families? If these kids are hanging out I doubt they are doing shopping- especially “big shopping” which Rav Fuchs wants people to do at the beginning of the week.

Great idea but bad reasoning, I wonder what happens if you bring your daughter shopping?

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  • Jon the A December 21, 2008, 11:16 AM

    Another idiotic idea by the far right to bring a smile to my face. You see, the more crazy they get, the more they marginalize themselves from mainstream Judaism, and hopefully the more irrelevant they become to the rest of us.

    Though I have a nagging fear that Islam started off a whole lot more rationally than we find it today, and the imams introduced their craziness in similar fashion to the laughing masses who thought they were just pushing themselves further away from ordinary Islam when in fact the opposite occurred.

  • shevers December 21, 2008, 11:16 AM

    You know in the Jewel in Chicago where a lot of frummies go, they have these black thingies to cover up the shtussy magazines at the check-out counter.

    I love frummies.

  • moish December 21, 2008, 11:18 AM

    I for one would not go shopping anymore if there were seperate lines. I just love to watch the hot Chanis on line ahead of me with their tight clothes and huge diamond rings, talking on their cell phones.

  • Frum Satire December 21, 2008, 11:24 AM

    Look on the bright side, men traditionally buy less groceries so we will have shorter lines. I just hate those women who fumble with coupons and check books- things men never do.

  • Phil December 21, 2008, 11:43 AM

    I think it’s a great idea but for different reasons. Imagine going shopping with you wife, then being able to choose the quicker line based on the gender of most shoppers in the store, while the significant other runs out to get the car (assuming women are allowed to drive without getting stoned for pritzus). It would be like tag team shopping.

    Would be really cool if Walmart implemented something like this, although I’m they would be sued in no time.


    I do almost all the household grocery shopping, it saves us a fortune as I only buy necessities, and I check the price of every item before putting it in my cart.

  • chutznikit December 21, 2008, 12:09 PM

    Only place I had to stand in a separate line was Pizza Uri in Geula. For some reason the local bagel place got away with mixed lines, I think we should cherem them.

    BTW Phil, this is ISRAEL, who has cars? we are talking charedim here.

  • jew lookin' at me? December 21, 2008, 12:23 PM

    shevers…you have not tried to look at enough slutty slut slut magazines. the black things to cover up the “areas” are everywhere. i think it’s part prudeness and part not letting people get a free peep.

  • Left Brooklyn December 21, 2008, 12:37 PM

    I think it is a great idea, keeps those perverts away from the pure heimish women.

    ROFL actually crying.

  • Chabad December 21, 2008, 12:43 PM

    And this is a bad idea because…we already have such excellent tznius standards? our morals are just so great we don’t need safeguards? good old aliyas hadoros?

  • veebee December 21, 2008, 3:41 PM

    Chabad – One of F.S.’s points was “it allowed a better view of the women in line.” F.S. is pointing out that this isn’t a “chumra”; it is a counter-productive approach to solve the said problem.

  • Moshe December 21, 2008, 3:56 PM

    Actually, this is a great idea. I’m sick and tired of standing behind the:

    Check writer – waits until it’s time to pay and then starts looking for checkbook and pen and makes sure to write very, very slowly.

    Cellphone yapper – too busy talking to pay.

    I forgot one thing – disappears for 10 minutes after her 30+ items were scanned.

    Socialite – gotta talk the person in front/behind and to the cashier, and talk, and talk, and talk.

    Socialite type 2 – paid, talking to her friend by the end register while her 5 bags are sitting by the bagger, taking up space. Happened to me last week. When the guy told her to take her bags, she simply ignored him.

    Conveyor hog – will spread 5 items all over the conveyor and stand in the beginning of the register to prevent the next person in line getting near.

    Spacer – will wait until converyor is absolutely clear and person in front has paid until unloading her cart of 50+ items, one at a time.

  • Charnie December 21, 2008, 4:31 PM

    Sometimes YWN is funnier then your site.

  • Mikeinmidwood December 21, 2008, 7:10 PM

    I think the radical muslims are trying to find ways to be stricter than us. (kind of hard to do so).

  • veebee December 21, 2008, 7:18 PM

    Charnie – the only time YWN was funnier than F.s. was when Obama won and they were running around like headless chickens.

  • s(b.) December 21, 2008, 7:24 PM

    this would be funny, if it weren’t true. thanks for the insights, I mean, the view.

  • Michal bas Avraham December 21, 2008, 7:34 PM

    I’m a conveyor hog when there’s a dirty man behind me trying to get too close. So, at first glance I was like, “yes, keep thos e guys away from me.” but, then I thought about these fart fart women you listed above who hold up the lines.

  • Former Teacher December 21, 2008, 9:13 PM

    What about the woman who haggles with the grocer about the price – hence, holding up the line?

  • Frum Satire December 21, 2008, 11:26 PM

    Old lady check writers should be banned

  • suitepotato December 22, 2008, 6:05 PM

    I’ve said it before… a man whose mind is his own can sit and read Torah in a nudie bar and not do more than wonder if a dancer is cold.

    If people are treated as robots who are programmed to respond or animals who cannot overrule their instincts, then they will sooner or later act that way. THAT is the biggest danger. In avoiding temptation the mindset will become a tacit subconscious understanding that they cannot be expected to control themselves.

    So look at the news from some towns in Israel about charedim throwing stones at people. Does that look like self-control to you? Nope. And they inherently don’t believe on some level that they can or should have self control. So what to others is a minor annoyance becomes a more than reasonable provocation to those who’ve given up on it.

    And when the line is crossed, well, there’s an excuse. The setup was made. People can’t be expected to control themselves. So much for G-d’s judgment of sin and impropriety. They can’t be held responsible.

    So without meaning to consciously, those expected to lead religious life are setting their entire class up for degeneracy to a state of only functioning inside a clean room.

  • s(b.) December 23, 2008, 4:39 AM

    suitepotato for president! yasher koach, man.

  • Baruch Atta December 23, 2008, 12:44 PM

    It’s called the Islamisation of Judaism. And it has been going on for a long time. It’s probably the original source of negia and yichid, brought into Haclacha to fit in with the Arab neighbors. What can you answer them when they say “why would you be against any of these chumras?” Do you want a single line so you can be close to a woman not your wife, you perv? So, if so, who is the perv? Most civilized society gets along very well thank you without these chumras of separation. Maybe its the perverts with the dirty minds that come up with the separation chumras. Its the perverts that feel the chumras are nessesary.

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