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Here is a picture of two hot Chani’s I took at kosherfest, they were hot, slutty (according to frum community standards) , married, and wearing sheitles (wigs). Hot Chani’s are also called Sheitle Hookers and they commonly hail from the Hot Chani capotal which is located in the Five Towns section of Long Island, Flatbush also contains a sizable population and if I am not mistaken you can find them in Los Angeles as well. Fortunately I was able to take a picture that does not reveal who they are, and although they weren’t too hot, they illustrate waht it takes to be considered a Hot Chani pretty nicely.

  • zalmy

    wtf!?!?! thats my WIFE!! (shes DEAD!)

  • zalmy

    and so are YOU!

  • iCE hORSE

    Thanks Hesh, now please excuse me while I dirty a sock.

  • FrumButNotAidel

    those boots are horrendous

  • ss

    Does it say “Kosher Rehabilitation” in gold letters on the wall in the background? If so, I think that is exactly what these Hot Chanis need.

  • http://www.frumsatire.net Frum Satire

    It probably says kosher certification, I think they were there to receive something other then the triangle-K status they have now.

  • http://elishevers.blogspot.com shevers

    That is the longest sheitel I’ve ever seen on a frum woman…. (and the ugliest boots).

  • http://sarahsimages.blogspot.com ~ Sarah ~

    while the majority of hot chani’s are american, there are hot chani’s in places as far flung as australia…

  • http://tr8ergirl.blogspot.com Sara

    Yea – whats up with those boots..and while Im at it – the skirt?

  • shmuly

    there needs to be a diaper in their purses. or else it don’t count

  • http://elishevers.blogspot.com shevers

    Is it leather?

  • http://www.frumsatire.net Frum Satire

    Nah no diapers, they have people to take care of their babies while they take 3 hour lunches at some sushi place while hitting on the yeshiva rebels behind the counter.

  • jennthejewess

    um im not following the “HOT” part- they def dont look it from the back….

    And as a pretty fashionable girl…yea they’re stuff is not trendy or fashionable…its skanky and trashy…uch

  • jennthejewess

    thier**

  • Anonymous

    MILF

  • Anonymous

    their**

  • Hot Moishy
  • http://elishevers.blogspot.com shevers

    Wait I have those tights I think. But they look a lot less skanky on a 20 year old with flat boots…

  • chanief

    The one on the left, maybe. The one on the right, not so much. Her skirt is too loose and too long, and her jacket or shirt is not tight enough to show the lace pattern of her bra strap – so, sorry, she doesn’t count. Monsey is loaded with Hot Chanies too, but I prefer your term (sheitel hooker because without the sheitels they’re just dressed like hookers!)

    On a side note, can I please move to change the term to Hot Rivki or something? These women do a serious disservice to my name. (And this from a REAL hot Chanie who is a lot more tznius in her jeans and uncovered hair than all of the sheitel hookers out there…)

  • t

    eeeewww.

    Ha. Losers. What a waste of money.

  • Lubavitch

    Fun Fact: Histaklus bnashim is just as ossur if you’re looking at someone dressed tzniusdik. Can’t stare at ladies!

    I second that there are far worse examples you could’ve found. Or maybe it’s just my frei upbringing that’s causing me to see no problem with the way these two are dressed.

  • chanief

    Lubavitch – I don’t think it’s your frei upbringing, it’s probably more your Lubavitch leanings. I was raised among them and know tons of them – Lubavitch women are pretty far gone in the sheitel hooker direction (IMHO it seems to be more widespread and accepted in Lubavitch.)

  • http://shesnamelessfaceless.blogspot.com Another Anonymous

    See, this is exactly what I mean when I say I learned more here than I did in my geirut curriculum. And ps while they don’t look amazing, its a) a distinct possibility they’d look better if they swapped skirts, and b) important to remember that its not exactly like they’re mattresses tied in the middle, either.

    am i just too nice to the sheitel hookers?

  • Lubavitch

    chanief,

    I’m trying to find a nice way to say that it makes me uncomfortable to be in lakewood and similar places. Obviously we’re not meant to stare at ladies. But let’s just say I find myself turning away from ladies in lakewood and it’s nothing to do with tznius.

  • Chris_B

    I dont get it. I’m guessing this really doesnt make sense outside the Orthodox biosphere, but as Another Anonymous said, this site *is* educational. I’m filing this post under “how to explain to my wife that she cant wear anything she currently owns if we ever go deal with Frummies”

  • http://crawlingaxe.blogspot.com Crawling Axe

    Lubavitch – I don’t think it’s your frei upbringing, it’s probably more your Lubavitch leanings. I was raised among them and know tons of them – Lubavitch women are pretty far gone in the sheitel hooker direction (IMHO it seems to be more widespread and accepted in Lubavitch.)

    Whether or not in Lubavitch it is more than in other communities, it is still very sad indeed. Of course, this is hardly news. When confronted with this issue, most Lubavitchers will say: “Nu, nu” and mumble something about losses being outweighed by gains.

  • http://www.frumsatire.net Frum Satire

    I wish I could have had a camera when I went to shul in CH on simchas torah – Chabad girls are the hottest chanies or shall we say mushkies in the world

  • Yochanan

    Since it’s in August, we went to the beach on my mom’s birthday. That night (Shabbat) I crashed a Sheva Brachot at the shul I go to when I visit my parents. The families were Chasidim from Boro Park and Jerusalem. There I realized what a “Hot Chani” was. There was seriously more tzniut on the beach than in that room.

  • NotSara

    Yeah, I feel you – the one way that you can tell that I’m not FFB is by the length of my skirt which tends towards the floor rather than the thigh…

  • http://www.frumlibrarian.blogspot.com Frum Librarian

    Hmmm…if librarians dressed more like hot chanies, maybe we wouldn’t be stereotyped as shushing old ladies. Order me up a leather mini, stat!

  • Marooned in the Midwest

    That could be a photo of 80% of the women in my shul. I’m so desensitized to it that it seems normal. But how weird this must look to people on the outside – wigs and miniskirts!

  • Custard

    Since when is a skirt that just covers the knee a miniskirt?

    • Anna

      Thank you.

  • http://ilikemusicdoyou.blogspot.com Squeak

    The basic rules of hot chanies (IMHO):
    1. Porn star sheitel – Long and a little curly.
    2. Tight skirt – Must cover knees while standing, but more importantly, MUST ride up and show some thigh while sitting.
    3. SERIOUS heels
    4. Designer bag
    5. Lots o’ bling

  • Marooned in the Midwest

    In the frummie world, it’s a miniskirt.

  • YOELY

    Not very hot. I see a lot hotter Hot Chanis in Boro Park every time I’m there. Sometimes I go into Boro Park just to see the Hot Chanis. I doubt if the ones in the 5 towns or Flatbush can outdo the ones in BP.

    When are they coming to Williamsburg?

  • http://www.frumsatire.net Frum Satire

    Hey Librarian you are probably not watching the right movies, I have come to recognize the librarian as a smoking hot women in glasses, but lets not get into detail…

    I didn’t say these women were hot, Hot Chanies is just a term to describe their type. The picture was used to illustrate.

  • B Tova

    Hesh, I am going to have to find you a HOT Chani.
    You know you want one.

  • http://www.frumlibrarian.blogspot.com Frum Librarian

    For the record, I am totally unfamiliar with those movies and have no idea what you are talking about. I’m an innocent librarian, not a hot chanie!

  • SHUL PRESIDENT

    HOT CHANI CONTEST DECEMBER 7 OR 14

    Hoping to capitalize on the “Hot Chani” phenomenon, our Flatbush shul will be hosting a “Hot Chani” contest on one of the above dates.
    The top prize is a 30 month lease on a Red BMW convertible. Other prizes include gift certificates to the stores favored by “Hot Chanis”.
    The contest is open to all married women in Brooklyn (it would be unfair to allow women from the 5 Towns).
    Compliance with the technical halachic requirements of tznius are required (covered hair, skirt length, covered elbows etc.) For the sake of safety, please limit heels to 7″.
    The admission fee is expected to be $15 for women, $20 for men. There will be no charge for participants. Ads and blog notices will appear next Wednesday. See you there.

  • http://mamaloshen.blogpost.com Chavi

    It always boggles my mind when I go to an Orthodox shul and see women wearing heels that are basically stilettos and skin-tight clothes that would be sketchy even in a non-frum community. I just do not et it. But this blog post made me giggle.

    And I think you’re right about some parts of the CH community with the Hot Chanis.

  • YOSSI

    I can’t wait to see how my hot Chani wife compares to the contestants. No – I will not let her enter due to the potential embarrassment if she wins. Can you imagine telling anyone that she got the car by winning a hot Chanie contest?

  • Shimon

    did all of you guys fall off the moon or something?? You call that Trashy??? Are you kidding me???? They might not hav e skirts down to their ankles but those girls are from trashy…anyone who calls them such is an idiot and an extremist!! Read Halacha my friends!!

  • http://elishevers.blogspot.com shevers

    Shimon – theres a difference between following halacha to a t and the spirirt of a mitzvah. (Ex. if you leave the tv on before shabbos you can technically watch it on shabbos, but is it in the spirit of shabbos). Is wearing skin tight shirts, barely long enough skirts and long flowing sheitels totally in the spirit of tznius???

    I’m not very eloquent but maybe you get my point?

  • SHIMMON

    Now I know why I found my wife staring in the mirror this morning chanting “mirror mirror on the wall whos the hottest Channie of them all” I sure got in trouble when I laughed and told her that’s not the way a married woman should think.

  • http://www.frumsatire.net Frum Satire

    I love that last comment

  • Lubavitch

    Maybe we should dress them in burkas. Because, you know, we men can’t control our taivos.

    Stop being frummer than shulchan oruch. True, there’s hiddur mitzvah – but every community has different standards based on whatever those people grew up around. You can feel free to take on chumras beyond SO- but don’t criticize people for not taking on your standards.

  • mendy

    Some of those Moslem women look quite cute in their burkas! Maybe the tight clothes are not a problem in Lubavitch, but I’ve see Flatbush women with clothes so tight you can see their birthmarks.

  • RED!!!

    i agree with whoever said the comment about them switching skirts.

    also, think about it– its their way to rebel “without breaking” the rules.

    seriously. at my school we have rosh chodesh as nonuniform days, and everyone dresses like a hot chani. i’m sorry but it gets boring! i show up in casual attire (but no denim, god forbid!) and i’m the one who gets in trouble!

  • http://elishevers.blogspot.com shevers

    Lubavitch – I was just trying to give anargument as to why people find issue with the way they dress.

    I guess I feel like this accross the board. Its one thing if its a 20 year old girl or whatever….

    But I have that same reaction when I see non jewish women, carrying their babies around in painted on clothes and high heeled flip flops.

    Its just… kind of tacky.

  • Future Druggie

    Heshy, thank you for pointing out the irony in our Orthodox community.

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  • Ari

    Unfortunately this is very common in the Yeshivish world. I never even heard of this term until I came to this site. All I can say is thank G-d I am a Daati Leumi Torani. Even the modern orthodox world doesnt pull this schtick.

  • http://nemosramblings.blogspot.com Nemo

    The righteous indignation here is appalling. Where the heck do you people live that you think this is slutty? I’m in law school, of all places, and I see high boots, real miniskirts and full cleavage regularly.

    Aside for the boots in this picture, which are just slightly ostentatious (and probably not something I’d want to walk around a convention in), I think these are two well dressed women.

    But hey, anything to knock on Frummies, right? If they dress in nerdy black skirt-suits and frizzy old sheitels, you people are embarassed that they’re Jewish. And when they dress up, suddenly they’re all a bunch of sluts.

    Of course no one would dare dress like that in an MO shul, right? Dream on.

  • http://www.frumsatire.net Frum Satire

    This is not slutty, its a look – I actually call them the sushi-bitches in a ghetto sort of way. Young trophy wives without jobs or kids who don’t do much besides for post on calmkallahs.com and eat sushi.

  • SaraB

    C’mon guys! That’s not fair of you to label us as “hot Chanies” or “sheital hookers”!! We are only trying to look good for our husbands and there is nothing wrong with that. Sounds to me like all these negative comments are coming from real jealous and very bitter people. Don’t be so quick to judge other people by how they dress.
    And guys….don’t act like you don’t like it or are “appalled”!! Please, spare us the stupid comments, we know you love to look at pretty women. Stop the hypocrisy. Thanxxx ;)

  • http://www.thisisbabylon.net Y-Love

    If you’re a frum woman, wearing a leather skin-tight skirt over fishnet stockings is a huge statement.

    What do you think it says?

    :D

  • Sruli

    Sarab B – Of course you should look good for your husband, but while their husbands are at work all day these hot Chanis parade about in tight leather skirts etc. I’m sure it’s not for the husband’s benefit. Some things should be for the husband’s eyes only

  • http://nemosramblings.blogspot.com Nemo

    Sorry Y-Love, but those stockings are a little more opaque than the fishnets of porno fame. Real fishnet stockings are more fishnet than stocking.

    And the leather? It only says to me that someone’s a little overdressed for Kosherfest. Unless, as Heshy indicated in a previous post, these women are part of the new marketing pitches.

  • DIVERTING MY EYES

    Y LOVE –
    It says “LOOK AT ME – I’M A HOT CHANIE”

  • BKLYN GROCER

    My Mexican workers love looking at those hot Chanis that shop with us. I think that’s why some of them continue to work for me. I understand Spanish so I know what they’re saying about those women.

  • http://conversationsinklal.blogspot.com ProfK

    Hot Chani designation –and a pox on whoever thought up that label–says more, much more about those who attach the label to someone then it does about the person being labeled. And what it says about those people is not pretty. One group dissing another, and lots of kinah showing. Yes indeed, lots of frumkeit and lots of ahavas Yisroel on display…not. A lot of the comments say “I’m not like that so they must be wrong, and not only wrong but sluts at that, who have no job and who spend their days idly.” As for the males, if it bothers you so much then stop following these women around with your eyes and your cameras. More than a little uncontrolled lust being shown. And yeah, yeah, it’s all the women’s fault. Amazing how some parts of Klal can rationalize their own bad behavior by blaming it all on someone else.

  • http://freshwater-phil.blogspot.com Phil

    Hesh,

    Keep you pants on! Let the little brain follow unmarried women, aren’t we supposed to be in a shidduch crisis?

    Those 2 in the picture look like most modern frum women (as far as dress code), maybe the heels are a bit uncomfortable. Not sure why anyone would class them as slutty unless they were actually hitting on other guys…

    Just my 2 cents.

  • http://elishevers.blogspot.com shevers

    Come on, admit a tight leather skirt is tacky. For it to be this season it needs to be metallic or have sequins.

  • http://eety01.blogspot.com Es

    is that seriously a leather skirt?!?!?!!??!

    • Zlata

      Wonder if the leather from a pig ???
      They’re treif Chanis !!!

  • Lubavitch

    Y-Love,

    Give me a break.

  • http://elishevers.blogspot.com shevers

    Nemo – Not true. They make all different gauges of fishnets. Sizes etc. Small holes big holes, still fishnets. Having small holes does not make them not fishnet stockings. Go on the goth websites. They sell small and big holed tights. (Or just take my word for it).

  • http://elishevers.blogspot.com shevers

    Also leather skirts connote biker/punk chick.

  • Chris_B

    Too much hatin’ on this thread

  • Beryl

    Too much hatin? Not hating, I love to see all the hot Chanis that Brooklyn has to offer. That’s why I don’t complain when my wife asks me to take her shopping. She shops while I admire the hot Chanis. Unfortunatly, she’s no hot Chani, but I wouldn’t want my wife to be one anyway.

  • http://nemosramblings.blogspot.com Nemo

    Shevers: I’m admit that I’m no expert on fashion or counterculture, but I don’t think goth=slutty. Either way, I think that this woman intended to be neither goth nor slutty. Unless you believe that all hosiery is slutty … would you feel better if it was circles, squares, pinstripes or some other intricate design? Or is this about the color black?

  • HOT CHANI

    SOME BENEFITS IN BEING A HOT CHANI

    I never have to wait for the plumber
    The Con Ed man never skips my house
    Lots of teenagers want to tutor my son
    My dry cleaner is anxious to deliver
    The bag boys load my car
    The mailman rings the bell daily
    My neighbors’ husbands help with any repairs
    My contractor comes quickly for little repairs
    My electrician comes to change bulbs for free
    My mechanic treats me like royalty
    Salesmen don’t keep me waiting for help
    Sanitation men take the cans from my backyard
    The valet parker brings my ar first.

    Being hot has it’s advantages

  • http://www.frumsatire.net Frum Satire

    Being hot definitely has its advantages- I agree with Beryl there is always something to look at – I personally love it when they are all together in the Catskills while their husbands are working in the city- it almost seems as if they get more done up for each other then the hubbys

  • http://elishevers.blogspot.com shevers

    Nemo – I was just picking on the specific statement. I don’t really care how patterned her tights are. All of my tights are patterned and I don’t think its trashy.

    I do believe the goth way of dressing is rather promiscuous but I don’t think she was trying for that effect.

  • chanief

    SaraB – “We are only trying to look good for our husbands and there is nothing wrong with that.” Come on, that’s one of the lamest and oldest excuses. Why make excuses at all? You like to look good, as well you should. I love to walk out the door looking fabulous, but I do it for ME and me alone, it brings an extra little boost of confidence and a lift to my step. I don’t fool myself or try to fool others that I am doing it for my husband or that I am dressing according to the halachos of tznius.

    That is the issue I take with so called “Hot Chanies” and “Sheitel Hookers” and why they earn my derision. They fool themselves and try to pretend they are dressing in a way that is appropriate for a frum woman when they are obviously not. It’s one of the many hypocrisies of the current frum community and one of the easiest to see through.

  • http://freshwater-phil.blogspot.com Phil

    Listen to yourselves! When was the last time you saw hookers or goth punks? Do they actually look or dress anything like these women in the picture?

    Sheesh, one would think you’re part of the chumra police, turning good Jewish women into sluts because of half an inch of skirt length or 1 inch of heels.

    I suppose we can also accuse them of being s**t eating lesbians that have tendenices to mate animals too, once we’re at this.

    Y’all need to chill out.

  • http://freshwater-phil.blogspot.com Phil

    Listen to yourselves! When was the last time you saw hookers or goth punks? Do they actually look or dress anything like these women in the picture?

    Sheesh, one would think you’re part of the chumra police, turning good Jewish women into sluts because of half an inch of skirt length or 1 inch of heels.

    I suppose we can also accuse them of being s**t eating les-bians that have tendenices to mate animals too, once we’re at this.

    Y’all need to chill out.

  • SaraB

    ProfK , Beryl, Hot Chanie…….WELL SAID! Thanx
    To all the guys who are still bitching about this, grow up. If you really get offended by hot women, you are probably GAY! Otherwise, just enjoy us ;)

  • Hot blah hot

    nuff with the hot.

    do they put out, or not.

    i’d say most don’t, and are confused with the whole hot thing.

  • http://freshwater-phil.blogspot.com Phil

    I sure do hope they put out to their husbands, otherwise they would be divorced Chanies.

    If they put out to anyone else, they would be cheatin Chanies.

    What’s with the married women thing? Am I the only one seeing this? Shouldn’t victims of the so called shidduch crisis be the ones everyone’s after?

  • Yochanan

    See this is the problem with all these strict exacting rules about tziniut: skirt this length, shirt this length, no red, no green on Tuesdays, blah, blah. They should be revised to a simple “Don’t look slutty”.

  • Yochanan

    “Slutty” might be extreme, but they sure dress quite similarly to the college girls in my neighborhood when they go out to the bars.

  • Jenny

    You call those chicks HOTT? Yikes, hate to see what you think is UGG… OK, so what is it about them that makes them”hott,” the long hair or the blonde hair?

  • http://www.frumsatire.net Frum Satire

    Jenny this picture was used as an illustration- I never said they were hot. In order to be considered a hot chani or a sheitle hooker one need not be hot. Its a style

  • Jenny

    Ohhh. OK cool, now I get it. It’s a little late, so my head is all nutty.

    So what’s the equivalent of a MILF to the Jewish sector, if it’s not, a Hot Chani?

  • http://trilcat.blogspot.com triLcat

    I donno. I was always taught that stiletto heels and leather skirts are trashy.

    The rest of the get-up isn’t too bad, imo.
    The shaitels are quite cute.

  • http://www.bargainjewess.wordpress.com BargainJewess

    Neither of those women are in my opinion hot chanis. Neither of them as said by others are dressed that well nor do they have great sheitels. I would also say that Brooklyn is the capital of the hot chani and that those hot chanis in the five towns moved from Brooklyn. Because Brooklyn was too judgemental.I grew up there and went to school with lots of hot chanis believe me I know the type….

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jewish_Conversion_Orthodox/ Michal bas Avraham

    It’s the Jewish plastic Barbie look. Whoever, said it was all the American girls doing this was crazy. The Bukharian girls are really into that. They wear way too much make up, too.

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  • http://shalem0809.blogspot.com Gila

    Switching the skirts? No way, head-to-toe black looks really bad.

    Once again, I find this post highly offensive to women. From the terms “hot chani” and “sheitel hooker” to the exacting way in which the men on here are analyzing every aspect of these women’s dress, it just isn’t right nor is it tzniut. Instead of castigating the women pictured for supposedly being untzniut, why don’t you take a look at yourself for spending so much time staring at them in the first place? Their outfits are far from “slutty” or “hookerish”. Please don’t use those words, even in comparison to the rest of the frum world. Any man who takes the time to photograph women or cross-examine this picture are at fault for whatever inappropriate thoughts enter their heads, not the women themselves.

    Furthermore, it seems to me that anyone who knows these women well should be able to recognize them even from the back. Being that this website is very popular, it’s quite possible and even likely that a friend or relative of one of these women will stumble across this post (or even the women themselves!) Think of the humiliation that will ensue when they find it, and then ask yourself if you’d like to be in that position.

  • Gitty S

    Seriously! Isn’t it a little silly that you’re sitting around staring at relatively modest dressed women’s asses and bitching about how its turning you on too much and you can’t get laid by them? I understand you’re supposed to be funny, but to actually think that women should hide out in a closet because you can’t be a man and realize that perhaps your own shortcomings are why you’re really frustrated.

    I think its time for men and women in the Orthodox Jewish community to grow up and take just a tiny drop of responsibility. yes heshy, I think it might help you to actually accept that women coexist with you in this tiny Jewish world and to have, like, just the tiniest drop of respect for them as people.

    I’m also a single girl and I see a tremendous amount of prevaling issues with Jewish males, including an immaturity that lasts a bit too long. Maybe I should take a page from your book and check out our married daddies because they’re somewhat more responsible lol

    While I do agree with you that women might be dressing too provocatively, I also think you’re completely oversimplifying. That dress is in response to shallow Judaism that is promoted by men expecting their wives to be fake ass religious, as they are.

    In conclusion, I think our best bet is to worry about our own faults and try to be our own best people. You’ll get married and your wife will be a hot Chanie too. I think its an issue that you and many boys want that instead of more important qualities. And don’t bother arguing that you don’t want that because we all know you do. Good luck finding her :)

    Gitty

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  • http://www.frumsatire.net Frum Satire

    Me married to a hot channi??? Thats one of the funniest things I have ever heard. Trust me its not very high up on the list. Peeing in the woods and being able to hike 25 miles a day with a full pack are much more important to me than makeup and expensive wigs, shit I hate wigs, give those scarves or something.

  • Gitty S

    Why do you care if she wants to wear a wig?
    Why can’t men just be men and care about their own things, and women their own. Its judgementality that makes women be hot Chanies. Stop proliferating it little brother

  • twitterz

    i live in bk and i c “hot chanies” ALL the time these women r NOT hot chanies. sorry

  • faigie

    i agree. they’re entirely within range of normal, and the leather skirt is not skin tight !

  • BHIleftBrooklyn

    Thank goodness I left the world where “hocheach tochiach et amitecha” is considered the Torah’s #1 mitzva!

    To all the critics I have news for you…the Torah doesn’t say anything about what a woman should or shouldn’t wear. The only woman whose dress is described there is Chava who makes acceptable clothes out of vines. Before that she isn’t wearing anything at all and according to the Torah there was no problem with that. In fact Hashem is angry with Adam for getting to the state where there was a need for clothes because there was an awareness of shame. So it’s mashma that in the ideal state people wouldn’t need clothes at all because their minds would be pure enough to make nudity irrelevant.
    No we are not at that state. But what is a fact is that the ones who set up dress codes for women was generations of male Rabbis despite the issurim involved in women in provacative dress being an issur on the males rather than the females. The rabbis claimed to be protecting the women’s tzniut but in fact it’s the men they were protecting – except that as with all the rest of the everbuilding shtick in today’s frum world they got more and more stringent ad absurdum (and just for the sake of full disclosure I am male, from an orthodox rabbinical family attend shul regularly and consider myself religous).
    so now what? Now we’re discussing the patterns of women’s stockings and the length of their heels? Isn’t this a little obsessive. The original Rabbis gave general guidelines for dress but nowadays that seems to serve as an excuse for everyone with a heels or nylon fetish to make an in depth study of women’s clothing. supposedly this is in order to determine whether they’re “frum enough” (as if it’s anyone’s business but Hashem’s to judge that)! In fact the sheer obsession with women’s bodies and clothing under the guise of ascertaining chastity becomes more perverted than the clothes themselves.
    furthermore let me give you a tip my fellow males (especially those of you who claim that they’re going out to the shops dressed in their “slutty clothes” to attract male attention). Women don’t dress for us – almost ever. The fact is your average male (myself included) couldn’t tell a designer dress from a gittel goldstein’s knish and dress design emporium product. The thing is (and pay close attention) women dress to impress other women. There are other issurim involved in that often such as the inevitable attempt to cause kina among women as well as gaava but it has nothing to do with attracting males. A good looking woman could dress in a potato sack and leave us panting while a meeiskeit could dress in a designer dress and most of us wouldn’t know it. Naturally the less of a life they have the more they have to get their kicks from these small triumphs (the less one is or does in life the more important it is for them to try and show others how important they are).

    Ultimately, it behooves religous women to dress in an appropriate manner for their community. One which covers at the very least the private areas + whatever else the community deems fit to cover. But even if they don’t they don’t owe it to us to dress in a partiular way and if they do when you get to shamayim and tell hashem “but she was dressed in 5 inch heels” he’s not going to say “oh well, not your fault.” It’s up to us to rein in our yetzer hara rather than obsessing over what women (single certainly, married all the more so) are wearing nor is it our job to play tznius police. If you think a woman dresses as she does to impress you or that it’s your job to police other people’s tznius or criticize it then you my friend have a serious gaava problem!

  • Anon

    A chashuva Rav recently said that the reason the frum community has so many tzoros these days is because of a lack of tznius.

    It doesn’t matter that the skirt goes down to the womans ankles if you can see her panty line, or if I can make out the flowery design on her bra- IT IS TOO TIGHT, and thus not tznius.

    Also, the long “Sexy, sexy” long shaitels arent the most tznius things either. (If we are calling a shaitel sexy, isnt there inherently a problem there?)

    People who dont cover their hair, and even women who dont wear elbow-length sleeves, or dont wear stockings during the summer, such as in many MO communities, are VERY OFTEN dressed more tzniusly than the ones who do. Of course the “Chanis” as you are referring to them, will frequently look down at these MOs lack of tznius (Ive actually heard this from a woman whos shirt was tighter than her skin and was wearing some black whorish stockings and very high-heeled slutty boots about a Modern-ish lady who was wearing a loose t-shirt, long jean skirt and hat with her hair hanging out a few inches- MUCH more tznius imho, than this “Chanie”), but the fact is that very often in Teaneck or the like, the women are dressed more tzniusly that the ones in Lakewood, or Crown Heights, or Flatbush, even when they arent wearing stockings (SHOCHER!!!)

    Bottom line is tight & slutty= NOT-TZNIUS. No matter how long the skirt or shirt sleeve is.

    When did this “lets see who can dress the sluttiest with the length of the skirt and shirt officially (I use this term loosely) being within halachik guidelines” competition start? And when does it end?

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  • aviva

    So I’ve never been to Brooklyn so I don’t know what the actual definition of a Hot Chani is, but I seriously don’t see the problem here. The women in this picture look beautiful and stylish. Their shirts aren’t extremely tight, their skirts (fine, maybe just the one on the right) are the right length and nowhere near miniskirt status, and so what if they’re wearing heels? It’s fashionable.
    Maybe I’m just young, naive, and uninformed, but could someone please tell me why it is necessary for women to give up style and stop looking attractive once they get married? Why they need to switch to frumpy clothing and frizzy sheitels? Women dress well not just for men but also for themselves. It’s a confidence thing and a fashion thing. Sheesh, the way some people here carry on… hyper-analyzing what these women are wearing. This obsession men have with tzniut is ridiculous. If this turns you on, there’s something wrong with you. Just don’t look.