For all those of you living under a rock, orthodox Jews are notoriously racist, they are proud and they dislike blacks. Most of you would agree and those of whom I am talking about would proudly proclaim at a shabbos table, or simcha that they in fact do not like blacks. The Obama win has blown this out of proportion, I may be basing this on the numerous racist text messages I received yesterday from friends of mine or the disgusting comments said at what could only be called “a meeting of the Jew Klux Klan” which was supposed to be an election party.
Here are two of the numerous text messages received yesterday:
Its all Lincolns fault – he would be rolling in his grave
The only reason why Obama is in the lead is because black people don’t work, lets see what happend at 5pm when all the white people get out of work (3 people sent me similar ones)
God Help us
Some of you more liberal folks may be stunned but I wasn’t at all. In fact as mentioned above the election party I attended reminded me of shiur in yeshiva. If it was just statements like “I hope they assassinate that N” it would have been fine. But statements like “I wish someone would fly a plane into the stage” and “why haven’t they lynched him already?” or “who wants to bet on how long it takes for him to be shot” were completely ridiculous. Hoping anyone will be killed who is not proven to be evil or even harmful at all is assinine and most probably against the Torah.
But based on my experience this is nothing new, it sucks but its nothing new. I kind of approached this last night and everyone in the room agreed that they were proud racists and that it would be a great thing if Obama was killed and Biden became president.
Funny because no one really mentioned the common known frummie fact that Obama works for Al Queda. In fact besides for his being black and his wife having a big booty all that was really talked about was how they would have all voted for Hillary over Obama (sure) and how Joe Bidens family was very good looking.
I am not saying that you have to be politically correct and call him African American (he actually is) or be all nice. But come on people, you are all complaining about his anti-semitic accomplices and then you go around sounding like a bunch of Neo Nazis.
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God Help Us is right
im an orthodox jew and im not racisit
youre an orthodox jew and youre not racist
if you want to make a difference, go out and educate your fellow frummies…
sensationalist posts accusing all of us wont help anyone except those who already hate us..
There is really no way to educate people who are stuck in their ways.
For instance people are so hung up on Obama doing a bad job that I bet you if he does a good job they will not admit it – either because he’s black or works for Hezbollah.
If Obama is to die before inauguration, Biden will not take office. The electors will chose their candidate of choice.
Frum people are racist towards all goyim, but especially towards blacks.
When news of a commercial liner crash comes to town, for example, everybody is anxiously questioning whether there were Jews on board. If negative, all sigh in relief.
Just to freshen the air, have you heard the rumor that when Ted Stevens (reelected, convicted) gets tossed from the Senate, Governor Palin will appoint herself as his successor? And that she’ll appoint her husband as HER successor (don’t think she can actually do this.) Cute, right (not)?
My mother was walking in Bnei Brak today and a chasidish man ( that she knows btw , not some random guy) came over to her and the first thing out of his mouth was “nu, what do u think of the shvartza winning”
if you want to really get sick, check out the comments on yeshivaworld.com and vosiznieias.com people are so small minded and dumb sounding. it is embarresing.
FS, a black man wouldnt be president if people who are stuck in their ways couldnt be educated.. hed still be sitting at the back of a bus.
i think this post is really unfair…
Yes it is embarassing. My kids came home from school spewing racists comments against Obama. I myself was a McCain supporter, but I do not tolerate any of this racism from my kids. I tell them that it is only acceptable to discuss the candidates based on real issues etc.
It is especially ironic that frumpeople collectinge who receive WIC, Foodstamps, Medicaid and section 8 would not support Obama with his socialist leanings.
Mookie: I think your head is stuck in the sand
While some people may have a point about the sensationalizing, I think it’s important to highlight these shortcomings in some sectors of the frum world. How dare any Jew be a racist! And as supposedly “holy” people, I cannot think of a more base accusation.
You are completely right. Whether you support the man’s politics or not, there is no excuse for bigotry in the Jewish community. And the same people who would probably faint if I said “crap” in front of them think it’s perfectly acceptable to use the N word, which is pathetic. THIS is why I do not discuss politics with frum Jews. Too depressing
I for one was disgusted by the media coverage of the campaign race in general, but last night was worse than ever.
All the channels we get in Canada seem to be left wing (CNN, ABC, etc), they turned the victory into a completely black thing.
They started off in Chicago, interviewing Oprah, then some black teenage girl holding her 1 year old baby. Not on white to be seen.
They then went to Harlem, interviewed a dancing black girl that looked like she stepped out of a hip hop video, followed by an old black guy that reminisced about not being able to vote an marching for civil rights. Not 1 white in sight.
Off to times square, they picked a couple of black college girls and their black boyfriend despite all the whites in the crowd.
Then they started showing Sharpton and his buddies doing their version of the hora / we are the world dance.
WTF? Am I the only one seeing this?
Then the analysts start telling us how latinos and blacks overwhelmingly voted for Obama. Isn’t that as racist as you can get? Aren’t the voters all “Americans”?
Finally, why do they keep calling blacks “Africans”? If I tried that, I would get the s**t beat out of me! They have no problems calling us whites, should we rather be called European Americans or maybe Aryan Americans?
Speaking of Nazis, your county is full of crazy, angry racist extremists that have been fearing a black president ever since they formed the KKK. Furthermore many right wingers hate him and think he’s a muslim. I’m no prophet, but I have a hunch that they will attempt to kill Obama somewhere down the line.
Unfortunately, the left wing media has turned this whole election into a race issue, time will tell if that will fade away or follow him through his presidency.
Don’t get me wrong. I believe he is a shrewd politician and far from stupid. The fact that he managed to get where he is proves it. I have nothing personal against him or any other Negroes (correct scientific term, just as whites are Caucasians).
I think he will be worse for the Jews in America as they are mainly middle to upper class citizens that he wishes to tax. He will likely side with the Arabs when it comes to Israel, just as Powell and Condoleeza did.
Well I just wrote “If obama does well will frummies admit it?” on my facebook status and received 50 comments so far.
Frum community is not just racist to goyim, it’s even worse on the inside.
i’ve been waiting to make chubby’s point for a while. isn’t it weird that tons of frum people are on various social welfare programs, but still manage to hate blacks for being on welfare?
I also got the “wait until the whites get off of work” texts and emails. Disgusting.
I work in a frum office and I think that I’m the only person (out of about 75) who is pro-Obama.
Unfortunately, none of the people that I tried to engage in civil conversations had any real knowledge of either candidate’s views.
All I got from them was the same recycled crap:
-He will raise taxes (most of these people do not make anywhere near $250k, so they won’t have their taxes increased)
-He’s an ARAB/sonei yisrael (his middle name is HUSSEIN!! He MUST work for Al Qaida)
-He’s a SOCIALIST dammit (most of these people don’t even know what socialism is)
-He’s pro-choice and he loves gay people, so he must be some kind of menuval
But the kicker was when people started comparing him to HITLER. Someone posted on my wife’s facebook page “it’s gonna be worse than the holocaust” now that he will be president. Where are these people getting these ideas from?
Did they watch his speech last night? Does any sane person really think that that man will start systematically exterminating people?
At least a few of my friends had enough balls to admit that they were voting for McCain because Obama is black.
I personally think that he will lead the country far better than McCain would. That should have been the basis for anyone voting.
I find it shocking that frum Jews have gotten so comfortable here, that they take their religious freedoms for granted and they think that those freedoms can never be taken away. So they automatically vote for the conservative, who seems to have their best interests in mind. But guess what, those religious conservatives only like Israel because they believe that Jesus can only come back if the Jews are in control of Israel. They are acting in their own self-interests.
I don’t want the GOVERNMENT deciding what the moral standard is. Let the Torah make that decision for you, not some Christian whackos.
And if you think that Jews don’t benefit from the “redistribution of wealth” ask anyone in Lakewood. Ask all those kollel guys who own houses through HUD scams. Our taxes are paying for their houses.
I can keep ranting, but I should probably control myself and stop here.
But seriously, HITLER?!?!? WORSE than the holocaust??!?!?!
offthederech, why is my head stuck in the sand? because i dont get up on rooftops and make offensive generalizations ?
I never said there’s no racism, but ive met enough frum poeple to know that there are plenty who are not racist, and i just dont like being thrown into this category – especially on a public forum like this.
Hesh, do you think that someone like Colin Powell would get this sort of reaction? Would frum people be so against a black president if he would’ve run on the republican ticket?
I think racism is just an overlaying excuse for the fact that frummies don’t like democrats generally. To support it, they’ve concocted all sorts of stories about him being muslim and a terrorist and backing it up with facts like that he knew Ayers and listened to Wright. And then a bit of racism.
If Al Gore would be running, and would say that he’s ready to talk with Iran, divide Jerusalem, and raise taxes, they’d also hate the guy. And maybe even call him a terrorist.
Mookie: First of all, no one’s throwing anyone into any categories.
And FS is just raising an important topic that’s rarely addressed.
And it is NOT sensationalist. try realist.
If you want to shove all the problems under the rug, that’s your problem.
Nemo, good point.
I was voting more for the party than the person. I’d definitely vote for Colin Powell.
For all those of you living under a rock, orthodox Jews are notoriously racist, they are proud and they dislike blacks.
Although there are certainly some genuine racists amongst Jews (who hate Black people just because they are different), I’d say that most religious Jews that make racist statements don’t hate Blacks as a race per se — they hate street thugs; they hate people sitting on welfare and being corrupted by it; they hate pervasive, loud, in-your-face ghetto culture created by a segment of Black society. Religious Jews living in cities (rather than suburbs) encounter these things daily. Since they are not especially inhibited by liberal values or political correctness, they express their frustration in forms already existing in the society — sometimes in a form of racist comments (which in itself is chillul Hashem, as many of them don’t seem to realize). This is different from rednecks/white trash being racist just out of internal ignorance and bigotry.
All the above things embarrass many Black people too, by the way. I have a Black co-worker who says she enjoys watching Boondocks, thinks that most of the things shown there are true, and if MLK was alive today, he’d certainly be ashamed of many Black people.
Now, Obama coming to power will not cure any of the above things but just make them worse. Which may, as you said, increase racism.
On the other hand, if McCain came to power, the economy would continue to be screwed by socialist measures, but people would blame it on free market. I’d say socialism is more dangerous is racism, because the former’s evils are not as evident and intuitive as the latter’s.
The real question is this:
Will Obama supporters admit it if he does a horrible job and everyone’s fears are proven right.
Will we have to deal with criticizing the preseident “is racist”?
i have no problem with people who are doctrinally conservative. (ok maybe not totally true.) but seriously, i have no problem with people who want to discuss policy issues of economic policy, tax policy, etc. these are usually very boring discussions that do not grab headlines, or people’s attention.
i don’t think that anyone who focuses on issues will be called racist. it’s only when people are blind to actual issues and facts and make spurious arguments that you get the feeling there’s more here than economic policy and it’s probably just racism
Crawling Axe, I have to disagree with you. I think that most yeshivish people lump all blacks in one category.
I’ve heard countless racist jokes about Obama in the past few weeks. He’s not a thug. He’s the polar opposite. Yet people were still spewing the same ignorant crap about him.
Hesh, I think you’re right that racism is a major problem in our frum community.
This is especially painful for me as a baal-teshuva who didn’t grow up in the Torah world but chose this for myself a few years ago. I have heard racist comments at Shabbos tables from otherwise beautiful chesed-filled people that make me cringe. I have heard talmidei-chachamim explain to me that non-Jews, especially Arabs, aren’t even remotely as b’tzelem-Elokim as us Jews, and I’ve even heard the argument that blacks are outright cursed by Hashem because they’re the descendants of Cham.
I listen to this in sadness and shake my head wondering how a person comes from the beauty of our Torah to these vile conclusions.
well if so many frummies ( who have convinced themeselvs that they are not racists, even though wen clinton won and he negotiated wit palestine he wasnt deemed a “hitler” of any kind, or compared to king NIMROD like obama has been in some many shuls and statuses, i actually stopped going to shul for the past two weeks because of the shit people … Read Morewere saying), but if these “frummies” really are appalled by this, then they should take this as motivation to pick up and leave america and finally make Aliyah like they’ve always wanted to!! no better time than the present!!! ^_^
everyone is a little bit racist. 100 percent true. but the extent of that racism is wat bothers me. and the freedom that some people seem to have wen they say terrible things scares me. to vote for obama simply beacuse he is black is stupid, just as it is to vote for mccain simply because he is white. but to wallow in the defeat of mccain by addressing him horribly and criticizing his attempts to bring peace btw israel and palenstine ( criticzing him more than Clinton who took actual steps in doing so) addressing obama as cham who is suppsoed to be a slave, or as a black hitler, as the bringer of the end of the world, or an ignorant shvartza or as a MUSLIM terrorist–something he NEVER was, he was raised by his WHITE CHRISTIAN mother and he has NEVER taken arms against americans, DUH–is just too much for me. and really shows the extent of how far and deep racism is in the orthodox jewish community in america. ive always known how racist this community is based on personal experience, but now EVERYONE who ISNT racist and is Jewish and non-minority is startng to see it too and is FINALLY talking about it. we needed this election to open up the doors for change
I’m really sick of racist frummies. I’m not liberal (more libertarian than anything), I didn’t vote for Obama, but I still respect the man.
And because of all the ridiculous racist frummies I was completely blacklisted as racist I can’t even tell you how many times during this election just because I didn’t vote Obama. It goes both ways. They take all of the credibility away from anyone who has an actual reasoning for voting conservative.
Then again all of the liberal kids I know are just as bad. Every other thing I hear is about how the only people who vote for McCain are racists.
Also if I hear another frummy say that Obama is a Muslim socialist terrorist I will vomit on them.
I tried to have an educated conversation with someone yesterday about why I believe socialism is a bad thing, and it was magically turned in to how they couldn’t believe I believed all of the conservative propaganda.
I don’t! He’s not a socialist! I don’t like socialism! I didn’t vote for Obama! Not because he’s a socialist, because he’s not a socialist! What is so difficult about that?
“Will we have to deal with criticizing the preseident “is racist”?”
-I’m just waiting for it.
I love blacks I think everyone should own one…
Ok that was bad- but I did have to inject some humor into this conversation.
I should have said prejudiced instead of Racist, just because someone says a racist joke does not mean they are racist- just because they use the N word doesn’t mean they are racist.
Mean ignorant of cultural norms, but what is racism. I do wonder if people are racist or prejudiced.
interesting point. most Orthodox Jews supported McCain and most non-Orthodox or unaffiliated Jews supported Obama. the funny thing is, economically McCain’s policies support the (generally wealthier) non-Orthodox, while Obama’s support the (generally less wealthy) Orthodox.
i suppose the conclusion to be drawn is that most people, or at least Jews, vote on social issues.
personally, i voted on financial issues and wish the government would leave social issues alone.
one other point – what is the percentage of black people that voted for Obama? if it’s significantly higher than the percentage of white people in an otherwise similar demographic (income, job, family, etc.), that would indicate they voted for Obama just because he is black, which doesn’t seem right to me.
i think many people believe, perhaps incorrectly, that that is in fact the case – that black people voted disproportionately for Obama
@elisheva you’re being a little unfair. a lot of the reactions we’re hearing from people about Obama’s election aren’t coming from racism, they’re coming from fear of his policies. when people are afraid, they resort to attacking any perceived weaknesses in their opponents. in Obama’s case this includes his black/Asian background and his Arab-sounding name.
in any case the things you’re hearing in shul and stuff isn’t sourced in racism, but in fear.
one last point! the hardest part of being tolerant is being tolerant of people who are intolerant of you or disagree with you. i love all of you, but the comments here on frummies means you don’t qualify!
i was once at a chashuv person’s house, and he stated, MANY TIMES, that goyim are worse THAN ANIMALS. and he was banging into his kid’s head, too.
meant banging it. as in brainwashing
yea, I dont know why there is so much pressure in the frum community to be republican. I think the fact that he is appointing a Jew who reportedly served in the IDF as his chief of staff is proof that his administration will have a very pro-Israel policy
Shua, I heard on a news report last night that over 96 percent of blacks voted for Obama. While blacks generally vote Democrat, I can’t imagine it’s been THAT high in their communities in past elections which does strongly indicate many voted on race alone, which is troubling.
I voted McCain because he reflects my politics in the same way I would have voted for Bush in 2000 if I were old enough and not for the shomer-Shabbos Yid on the ticket. That said, I am extremely proud that a black man was elected president, though I desperately wish it was a black conservative like Clarence Thomas, one who shared my values and politics.
I overheard this last night at the gym by a black guy lifting weights a few feet away from me:
“That nigger got elected because of them white folk but I will still be pulled over by the police for being a brother.”
Apparently people will always think everyone else is racist and that this country will always be a thoroughly racist place, no matter what happens.
No joke, that’s what this man said.
So. Why do frum Jews hate blacks? I mean, what’s the serious beef? It’s not religious, is it purely the color of the skin? Is the frum Jewish community that behind in the times? Boggles my mind.
Makes me think: Do I really want to be associated with that kind of a community? Or do I want to be associated with CHANGING the mindset of that community?
What about all the black Jews out there who ROCK … YLove, among them, of course.
“Behind the times…”
I’m afraid you hit the nail on the head.
So it’s the insulatory lifestyle that perpetuates a medieval mentality.
Ugh. Sigh. Ugh. Maybe that’s why Modern Orthodoxy appeals to me so much more than the Uberdox.
I think obama’s very good at critcizing bush but let’s see how well he does when he’s in office, things will become much clearer to him, things they dont REVEAL to you when youre not president.
“Apparently people will always think everyone else is racist and that this country will always be a thoroughly racist place, no matter what happens.”
@ Adam
Apparently you’re never been stopped for the simple reason you’re black.
There is racism in this country, and it’s rampant. (And yes, it goes all ways.) Obama as president will not stop that. Racism is no longer state sponsored, but it exists. Racism is born out of fear and ignorance. We are taught to hate what we fear and we fear what we are ignorant of.
I dream one day racism will not be an issue. But when I walk outside and see the different treatment others receive simply because of their skin colour, I simply cannot understand that an individual would say racism does not exist.
Delia – true. But people take it too far. I went completely through the public school system. (During elementary I was one of three white kids in my class, only Jew and during middle and high school it went about 50-50) and my entire life I have been called a slave owner, a racist, a cracker etc. etc. People I went to middle and high school with still pulled the race card on me when I admitted who I voted for. Yet still racist jokes and comments and bigotry make me cringe…. even though the same people I would defend against any sort of racist comment or the one dishing it out to me calling me a racist.
Basically, even when its staring you in the face, people refuse to change. I think half of the problem is the kids I went to school with were brought up to have this slaved defensive mentality. You can be as nice as you want, but when they’re still convinced that all white people are racist nothing you do is going to change that.
You can be as nice as you want, but when they’re still convinced that all white people are racist nothing you do is going to change that.
Look at all the posts you’ll find on VIN or YWN where yidden will earnestly tell you that no matter how nice the goyim act, they all hate all the Jews and are out to kill us all.
I’M NOT SURPRIZED OBAMA WON. THE NATION HAD ENOUGH OF THE BUSH DOCTRINE. EVEN MICKEY MOUSE COULD BEAT BUSH.
I’m a FRU M JEW from the south and PROUD thatmy ancesters owned slaves…
TODAYS DAY AND AGE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO SAY NO TO A BLACK MAN…
Yeah Jews are crazy conspiracy theorists too.
Everything that happens is the will of Hashem.
Miamiyid…you are an embarrassment to Klal Yisrael…really…
As a Black woman, I am so thrilled that Sen. Obama won. He made history (“we” made history). However I am also a strong Democrat…so if Hillary was running, I would have voted for her as well.
Any type of Jew can say whatever they want. Baruch dayan emes…I feel sorry for them when it’s time to do a chesbon b’nefesh for sure!
I’m not condoning racism or slavery G-d forbid. Seriously G-d forbid.
Also, what are the Jews going to say when they find out that he chose a Jew as his chief of staff???
I’m a frei yid, and last night, as President-Elect Obama was giving his speech, I found myself reciting the Shehechyanu for the first time in probably 20 years or more…
Shevers:
I was waiting for YWN to post the selection of Rahm Emmanuel under the headline “Obama acts to reduce the number of Jews in Congress”.
Haha seriously. I don’t even bother to read their site.
Yeah, and he’s not just a born Jew by birth, but a Jewishly active Jew who volunteered in the IDF, grew up going to day schools in a Hebrew speaking home, and davens in an Orthodox shul.
Look, I’m no Obama supporter but these charges that he’s a closet vicious Israel hater are sickening and I hope his selection of Emanuel puts Jews at ease.
MiamiYid, how are you proud that your ancestors owned slaves? American slavery was a barbaric, evil, wicked institution. You wouldn’t agree?
“born Jew by birth”- hmm, that was redundantly redundant, sorry
Yanky,
i totally agree with every word you wrote in comment 18. seriously, you give me some amount of hope…
It’s fascinating to see how the commentors on VIN and YWN are spinning Emanuel – it’s all just part a vast conspiracy to lull jews into complacency and he’s going use Emanuel for cover while he gives Israel to the PLO. In other words, there’s no satisfying them.
One of the things I don’t understand is why all these frummies are trying to scare their children so much. Can you imagine being a six year old and all you hear is how Obama is the next Hitler and all the yids must have their passports ready? The next generation is going to be filled with paranoid neurotics if this is the only view they are getting.
@dave great that you made shecheyanu, but get real – you’ve had nothing greater happen to you in the past 20 years than obama getting elected president?
re miamiyid – people should learn to ignore those kinds of posts. for all you know, it’s someone posing as a Jew to make us look bad. anything you hear should be taken with a grain of salt. anything you read on the internet should be taken with a box of salt…
shua, re miamiyid:
no one believes you. nice try
Miami, isn’t “The South,” you idiot. Oy. I don’t know if anyone brought this up yet, but is it racist to say that Michelle Obama’s dress was really ugly?
miamiyid,
You are a miamidiot. “Mimitzrayim gealtanu..mibeis avodim pedisanu..”
Dofan:
Thanks for your comment. I had to write something after reading the comments on YWN and VIN. I know I should just stay away, but I had to see what people were saying about the election. It was sickening.
re: Anon #57:
They are screwing up their kids’ perspectives like their parents did to them.
My boss told me that his daughters (elementary school age) woke up on Wednesday worried that there is going to be a holocaust now.
People don’t even realize the scars they are inflicting on their kids.
The problem is with the people who only listen to rush and hannity. Is it any wonder that they see Obama as the devil incarnate? I didn’t grow up in the US but when I came here I naturally gravitated towards GWB but grew disillusioned with him in after the 2nd election. What has the republican party done lately for Orthodox Jews that they are so worked up about? And have any of them actually heard McCain speak in this campaign? Do they enjoy bring talked down to by him? I don’t know, I’m hearing it left and right and am really sick of it, it’s not as id Obama is going to throw Israel in the sea tomorrow, ya know?
I think all blacks should name their kids BARACK! Or if you start calling a black OBAMA it’s a derogetory name.
EZEKIEL 38: 1-20
Wow. I knew it was bad, but I didn’t know it was this bad. Thanks for the expose.
i thought i was the only one who noticed the dress!!!
but seriously…the racist frummie rationale i love the most is the “blacks-on-welfare” one
(i.e. “they hate people sitting on welfare and being corrupted by it”…see above)
helloooo, but i just love how we have 10 kids on food programs and state-funded health care and we sit at kiddush talking about “schvartzes ” being on welfare and having kids they can’t afford.
i don’t have kids yet but i seriously can’t wait b/c i can get my $8.00 cholov yis. pizzas for free on food stamps.
however, the thought of sending these immaginary offspring to frummie schools to become racist and intolerant snobs (snobs in every conceivable non-racist sense as well)terrifies me. seriously, my potential future mini-frummies might very well be the only menachem mendels in their public school class.
Morah Jew Lookin’ At Me…. you are not having Menachem Mendels you are not sending them to public school. You know that here at least the jew elementary school(the non west side one) is pretty snob free considering half the kids are not frummies anyways….
hey shevers, i get all of the young frummie-snob playground politics at work. you ever been in the middle of a first grade lubo-girl gang ragging on so-and-so from thneir class who…gasp….wears knee socks instead of tights??? they are ruthless!!!
and then when they turn 10 or 11 you send them off to the big city cheder where they live in somebody else’s basement with other preteen snobs and virtually no adult guidance, only coming home for shabbos so they can make fun of some other kid who wears knee socks instead of tights. at least the boys live in dorms so you have to assume they are slightly supervised. girls that are sent off to school are left to the wolves!
p.s. those 1st graders can be brutal. wear some denim on shabbos and watch them attack!
shevers,
p.s. when i get my food stamps you can come over for dinner anytime!
OK yeah. But you just have to hope that you’ll learn from everyone elses kids chinuch mistakes and raise non-snobby kids you know? There are quite a few examples of non snobby kids in the neighborhood (Well at least they grew up to be non-snobby)…..
Plus I have confidence that even when you send your kids to school they will be raised to non be snobby.
Awesome I can’t wait! Make sure to get tofutti cuties on your food stamps.
Who are the jew rabiz who call Israel a terrorist state? I am from Israel and I came 2 know these rabis are agent of islamic Iran and Barack Obama the muslim sympathizer! is this true? They protested against the state of Israel about gaza with the muslims. We really need to get rid of those rabis: and God wipe muslims of the world.
wow, i didnt realize that the frummer yiden were this racist, not that i would know, i am a young black woman from the south but i have been in nyc 3 years, i have jewish friends, most of them are reform, i must say it is a dissapointment, not a suprise mind you, but given what alot of your fairly recent ancestors went through, i dunno, you kind of just expect MORE from the jewish people from some reason, but racism is racism, and you all do consider yourself “white”
Natia,
Last I looked in the mirror I was white. Should we consider ourselves black?
G-d forbid you be black! But to your average WASP or non jew non minority, you all are no more white than arabs, sorry it’s true.
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You jews are all twisted f*cking people and need to be sent packing to that Sh*tty land you love so much called Israel. There the mid east can kick your *ss to your own grave. Get the F*ck out of the USA as trouble is on its way for you Zionists F*cks
All these problems are simply because as a people we feel the need to use religion and racism as a control mechanism to keep our horny women from fucking around on us.
But guys it just does not work, and thank god, cause the Asian Girls cant get enough White meat oh yeah.
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Very well said. There are some very substantive reasons not to vote for or support President Obama that have to do with his ideologies, his political ideas and associations, and not his race…
Moreover, having dark skin and being Jewish are not mutually exclusive…
I would say that there is no more racism in the frum community than any other community…I would say, however, that when people see racism within the frum community, they find difficulty in standing up to it…and, I think, this is simply because frum people do not like to make waves…Frum people experience so much discrimination already, that they are reluctant to do anything which could possibly make their lives more difficult…and sometimes, this means that they do not do what is right…
Not sure how much time you’ve spent in NY metro frum communities or yeshiva – but racism is the norm. Then again, most frummies don’t view using the N word in regular conversation as racist like the rest of the world does .
I don’t think most blacks view the N word in regular conversation as racist, they use it all the time. If it’s coming from a white person, it’s a different story.
…whatever decision one makes, one has to account for it to Hashem…
I have been talking to a lot of Muslims lately.
They say that Jewish people broke their original covenant with God through Torah observance, because the Jewish people started being racists (at around the time of the destruction of the first Temple in Jerusalem) and that was against the Torah. That was why the land of Israel taken over by the Assyrians and again later why the Jewish people were exiled from the land of Israel after the Second Temple was destroyed.
Muslims believe a new covenant was made through Jesus Christ, but then the Christians broke that covenant by writing the New Testament and translating the Bible into thousands of different languages. Christians disagree because the New Testament has little to do with their actual covenant, which was mostly based on faith and not so much on reading the Bible or doing good deeds. In Christianity, it is a lie that “work makes you free” which is what Muslims believe is the truth.
“Work makes you free” is actually the same phrase the Nazis used “Arbeit Macht Frei” and it was written on the gates of all the concentration camps even.
It is scary what some Muslims believe about Jews, and Christians both. Both are called by the same name in the Quran. Jews and Christians are both “the people of the Book” and some Muslims believe it is their job to punish the Jews and the Christians, when they aren’t doing what Islam believes is right.