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Anti Indulgence Chassidim in Williamsburg ban Choice!!!

I have always had some existential angst when it came to the whole concept of choice. All those theories about freedom of choice and God knowing all drive me so crazy that I choose to just ignore everything and go along in my partially blind faith- “how can God know everything that will happen yet I have the freedom of choice?” has been explained to me countless times in enough ways to make my head spin. So thank God for the Chassisdim in Williamsburg for finally cracking down on something which was false anyway, CHOICE!!!

The latest of Zealotry to come out of the Charedi world is an anger at large displays in advertisements. Apparently they don’t like detailed displays of food with too much choice. What more could one want out of life then Kishka, Kugvel and cholent? As reported by This is Babylon.

The following ad was destroyed in Williamsburg because of its detail and offerings of choice which obviously leads to lust and then sex- because it seems that everything banned has something to do with being untznius. Lets face it folks- food can be sexual experience and I am not talking about whip cream and hot oil rubs.

Williamsburg restuarant ad defaced

Williamsburg restuarant ad deface

Not having choice is great because I don’t have to worry about doing the right thing, because hey I have no choice. Lets be serious for a second- this is insane- people should be more humane instead of being zealots and destroying property which is against halacha- real halacha. There should also be some sort of court set up to deal with this crap. How can these people get away with this?

I think Chassidim should be banned- they have way too many choices. Different, hats, streimels, capotas, bekishes, siddurim and let us not forget the hundreds of Chassidic Sects- what there should just be one sect? In that case I think minhagim should be banned- some people get out so easy- like those people that wait 1 hour between milk and meat and those folks that get to eat rice on pesach. While we are at it- color should be banned (oh wait these people only wear black and white) so I am sure there are other choices to be banned along with food choice.

Other things banned in Williamsburg:

Bike Lanes were deemed untznius

Similar to this event- the late night food cart was forced to close up shop

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  • See what a big story my photos can make? These photos are now going around all over the world!

  • Why would anyone ban food? Seems more like an inside job by a competing restaurant to me.

  • Let’s face it, choice of sects would cause more violece. sects & violence gets them every time!

  • Let’s face it, more choicees would lead to more sects, and therefore violence. Sects and violence gets them every time!

  • Seriously, rabotai, eventually the community as a whole is going to have to get together and say “no we will not have our lives made a living hell by people who want to regulate far more than the Torah does.”

    Until then, just wait for the rocks to fly over the BQE to cries of “pritzus!!”…

  • anon

    no, eventually the money will dry up and Torah judaism will be dead. Wait until the generation of Shoah survivors and their immediate descendants are dead. The Orthodox community will not survive for very long after those two anchors are gone.

  • anon2:25 might be right. Or the large families are going to face a paradigm shifting without popping the clutch as without the money it’s no more all day kolel and time to get a job that pays. It seems the end result of a giant slice of a society trying to be like Catholic monks and nuns but with marriage, sex, and kids. Some are meant to do holy work, some to carve cuckoo clocks. Just the way of G-d’s creation.

  • Not all Torah Jews are taking handouts- plenty of them work and make good money.

  • Chossid

    There’s enough pritzus on the streets and this is no exception. Indulging in anything physical is never positive. But these guys are seriously going about it the wrong way.

  • Chris_B

    1 Stuff like this assures me that converting will never be dull.

    2 My rabbi uses the dutch ashkenazi minhag 72 minutes rule between dairy & meat. Hooray for leniency!

    3 Is it just me or is the way the poster got ripped kinda suggestive? Looks to me like a womans thighs and hips in torn black stockings.

  • It has nothing to do with choice, it has more to do with worship of gashmiyus, not acceptable in Chassidic environment. Read Chapter 7 of Tanya (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/7886/jewish/Chapter-7.htm).

    Did Chassidim even say themselves this was because of too much choice? I didn’t find proof of that anywhere (the referenced article merely claims that, without any proof).

    Yes, I know, it is shocking that some Jews believe that a neshamah descends into this world to focus on doing mitzvos, not on enjoying the klippah (and I am not using this word liberally — this kabbalistic term, meaning “shell”, refers to all spiritual forces of the physical world, which focus one’s attention on the independence of the world and block out Hashem; as referenced above Tanya explains, this includes focusing on food for its gourmet qualities, not merely as a source of sustenance).

    The prevailing philosophy should clearly be: live like goyim — with a Jewish twist. First we are “modern”; then we are Jews. If it’s convenient to us.

  • Of course, one shouldn’t violate Halachah, even to uphold worthy ideals.

  • >Seriously, rabotai, eventually the community as a whole is going to have to get together and say “no we will not have our lives made a living hell by people who want to regulate far more than the Torah does.”

    G-d forbid anyone relies on a strict opinion, on a chumrah, on a minhog!

    As it turns out, you don’t need to have your life made into a living hell by anybody’s regulation (except our socialist government). This is a free country, and you are free to live whichever way you want. By all means, don’t let anybody convince you to rely on any opinion in Judaism, outside of whatever you personally deem as “Torah”. You don’t even have to rely on the oppressive oral tradition of how to read the said “Torah” with nekudos.

    Regarding the fact that the practice of slashing somebody’s ad is a clear violation of halachah, that’s a separate matter…

  • Some information about this “Grill on Lee”:

    ”Evidence of mice or live mice present in facility’s food and/or non-food areas.” (http://nyc.everyblock.com/restaurant-inspections/by-date/2008/8/5/1540785/)

    Eww… Maybe Chassidim simply wanted better sanitary conditions. 🙂

  • >no, eventually the money will dry up and Torah judaism will be dead. Wait until the generation of Shoah survivors and their immediate descendants are dead. The Orthodox community will not survive for very long after those two anchors are gone.

    By the time the generation of Shoah survivors’ immediate descendants will be completely gone, you will have no Jewish descendants left. So, this whole story is not for you to worry about. Go, eat a cheeseburger, screw a shiksah, whatever you want…

  • m00kie

    notice how sfardis are never involved in these crazy stories…
    once the money dries up and the and the nun/priest lifestyle is extinct…
    sfardis will be the only ones left…
    and then maybe torah judaism will start to make sense again!

  • yismeicha*br

    Resha-im ge-murim

  • CrawlingAxe, pls. I didn’t mean “the Torah” as in “the 5 books of Moses” (no one’s being a Kara’i, ch”v — the ikkarim and Torah she’b’al Peh and the Shulchan Aruch have always been key).

    People who rely on chumras/stringent opinions are totally free to do so — however, since halacha is a Divine thing which is also multifaceted, the people who rely on kulos must also be respected, as they are also following halacha.

    And, as it is written, if a minhag directly contradicts with the halacha, ???? ?????? ????.

    And, as your own post shows — you bring, as a mekor for your limud zechus (which I give you love for, because we should always always attempt to be m’lamed zechus with all individuals) a quote from Tanya, not Shulchan Aruch. Not saying it’s not valid, but it’s not a halacha sefer.

    There’s no halachic basis (if VIN was accurate and we really are talking about an issue of wide selection) for refraining from offering 250 entrees on the menu, or having an appetizer list so expansive it requires a DVD-R — therefore, to me, actions like these come off as : “assur actions taken against Jew who was perfectly halachically in the right”.

    A neshama does descend into this world to do mitzvos — and giving tzoris to ppl is no mitzva. How is the world made into more of a dwelling place for G-d by having everyone choose from a one-line menu and by closing sub shops?

  • NO HEBREW on the blog? The above “?”s are “‘minhag’ otiyot ‘gehinnom'”.

  • >People who rely on chumras/stringent opinions are totally free to do so — however, since halacha is a Divine thing which is also multifaceted, the people who rely on kulos must also be respected, as they are also following halacha.

    a) They must be respected if they are according to the process of paskening. You can’t just select a minority opinion and follow it just because it is easier for you.
    b) If Chassidim stormed into Teaneck, NJ and started pulling down ads with gourmet food on them, they could be said to disrespect other views/paths in Yiddishkeit. But in this case they did so in their own community. Would you also have a problem with Chassidim pulling down a similar ad (hung in their community) for kosher shavers or trimmers? How would people in Teaneck react to a “Yechi Adoneinu” poster in the middle of their community?

    >And, as your own post shows — you bring, as a mekor for your limud zechus (which I give you love for, because we should always always attempt to be m’lamed zechus with all individuals) a quote from Tanya, not Shulchan Aruch. Not saying it’s not valid, but it’s not a halacha sefer.

    So what? A volume of Gemara is not a halachic seifer either. Or a volume of Pirkey Avos. Or a work of mussar. People quote principles from them all the time. Chassidic minhogim and general outlook on Yiddishkeit are based on the philosophy expressed in Tanya and similar seforim, and I am free to quote from them to support Chassidic opinions and minhogim.

    >The above “?”s are “‘minhag’ otiyot ‘gehinnom’”.

    I doubt that a minhog focusing on mitzvos and not chitzoinius falls under this category. What does are minhogim for the sake of the gashmius — I shall refrain from citing examples to avoid loshon harah.

    >A neshama does descend into this world to do mitzvos — and giving tzoris to ppl is no mitzva.

    Hanging an offensive ad in a community is not giving tzuros to people?

    >How is the world made into more of a dwelling place for G-d by having everyone choose from a one-line menu and by closing sub shops?

    As I explained, the problem is not with diversity of choice. The problem is with visual imagery of food as a gourmet item as opposed to a necessity to sustain one’s existence in this world. I don’t expect simply advertising of a Grill on Lee would leave people wondering: “What the hell is a grill? What kind of food do they serve? I wish there was an example photo of food hung on this ad, so I could make up my mind, whether I want to chose going there today or not.” Indeed, the address remains visible on the above photo — I was able to find it online myself (with information about mice infestation). What the image of food does is appeal to our nefesh ha’bahamis — which is precisely what Chassidic philosophy is against.

    As I said above, the way some of Chareidi world reacts to some of the problems in the outside world is not a proper way, because it hurts other people (ahavas yisroel, anyone?) and does Chillul Hashem (or Chillul… specific group). Clearly, a little more seichel and ahavas yisroel are necessary.

    The response of the outside world (or the non-Hareidi world), however, is equally lacking in understanding of the reasons why Hareidim found something offensive. Here, for example, everyone assumed it’s about choice. Since the modern liberal ideas are all about freedom of choice (a pursuit whose worth I do not deny), it is immediately assumed that something like that is violated.

    >“assur actions taken against Jew who was perfectly halachically in the right”

    I want to ask my rav a question about this (not that I am planning on tearing any ads down myself), so I’ll get back on this point… Overall, as I said, obviously one cannot violate Halacha. I think FrumSatire’s problem was primarily not with violation of Halacha (or at least, not only with it), but with the spirit of the deed, so I addressed that point in my comment.

  • G3

    This is so disturbing. First they wanted to ban women. Now food. Give it a little time, and to be considered frum one will have to live in a little cell and abstain from all worldly pleasures.
    There was actually a Jewish sect that tried this, a couple of thousand years ago. They died out because they didn’t have any children (sex is evil) and very few people were attracted to join a group that practiced such extreme aestheticism.

    It was suggested a while back on this blog that women be banned. While this is certainly an important step towards maintaining a proper level of ruchnius in our communities, I submit that it does not go far enough. We should submit a petition to our gedolim asking them to ban anything that may cause us to experience pleasure through any of our senses. Banning concerts should be expanded to a ban on all forms of auditory stimulation, such as music and non-torah lectures. Visual art of any type should be banned, and of course, food should be restricted to stale bread, water, and vitamin supplements. Only in this way can we hope to free ourselves from the physical influences of the world around and truly be able to live a life of kedusha.

    I’m sure Hashem will be very pleased that we managed to withstand the test of this beautiful, pleasure-filled world that he so cruelly placed us in.

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