Comments on: Hechsher Tzedek: What do you think?

By: Lion of Zion

Lion of Zion — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:45:15 +0000

CHRIS-B

“Joke or fe real?”

for real. dina de-malkhuta dina, according to some (all?) views does not apply when the law in question is only applied selectively

By: Chris_B

Chris_B — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:10:55 +0000

Heterim are for Hippies said “if the (snip) themselves don’t enforce their laws, we definitely have no obligation to.”

Joke or fe real? If fe rea, ask yourself if you are obligated to follow civil/criminal laws or of you enjoy the thought of a stay at PMITA Correctional Facility.

Heshman,

You must have had a terrible employment history! In over 30 years that I’ve been working, only one summer job doing landscaping was off the books and that includes the crappy pizza joint job I had as a teenager.

By: Frum Satire

Frum Satire — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:00:49 +0000

If it is not demanded by the frum community it will not happen period. And my guess is that if you asked 90% of those in the frum community whether they actually care about good working conditions, unions, health care etc… they will laugh in your face. All small business’s and some large ones thrive on illegal help, low wages and lack of good working conditions- its how the world works- doesn’t mean its not a bad thing to ask for- but it simply wont happen.

Nearly my whole life I have worked at jobs that did not provide sanitary working conditions, benefits not even on the books pay. Work for the government if you want that stuff. But tell any kid working at a pizza store that he will have to pay taxes and be legal and he will hit the ground running.

By: adina

adina — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:51:26 +0000

Of course respect for animals and people is mentioned many times in the torah. However, these issues are seperate from kashrut most of the time. One exception is probably not cutting off limbs from a live animal, one of the 7 noahide laws. If Jews are concerned about the way meat is handled, then they should inquire into recieving inspection records from the govt. Denying the kosher status of meat based on criteria different from the requirements of kosher meat does not make sense. I do agree that jewish businesses should produce kosher food by well paid workers in good conditions using legal buiness practices. I hope that any problems that exist are fixed and consumers have confidence in the kashrut status of food overseen by reliable kashrut organizations.

By: Tamara

Tamara — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:40:59 +0000

Adina,

Without me looking it up as I am not a Torah scholar nor am I super learned on the topic. But…it seems to me that it is written in the Torah that we are to respect all life and animals are listed there. If someone knows the source for such a thing, please do share.

By: adina

adina — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:56:38 +0000

The purpose of kashrut is to determine that an animal is slautered the correct way based on torah law. End of story. Also, the allegations against Rubashkins have not been proven. If you are not willing to accept kosher meat as good enough, don’t buy it. Adding on laws because they are “trendy” may make you feel better, but has no halachic basis.

By: singleandjewish

singleandjewish — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:32:25 +0000

got to add here the following joke , sorry it is in hebrew and am too lazy to translate, but talking about prices of kosher stuff… enjoy.
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taken from http://israblog.nana10.co.il/tblogread.asp?blog=39424&month=5&year=2008

By: s(b.)

s(b.) — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:30:32 +0000

–shua: does everything we do have to be approved by Rabbis first?–

did you not get the memo? :facetious:

By: Xvi

Xvi — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:17:40 +0000

yup hesh,

saw a great satire of it here: cheatneutral.com

Basically, if you cant stay monogamous in your own relationship, you can help fund a serious relationship and maintain your own cuckolding at a neutral level.

And CSF,

I wasnt claiming that Jewish businesses should or should not maintain ethical practices. I was merely wondering why this hechsher was only being applied to the food industry. Dont get me wrong. Im not implying that Im for bad business practices. Its just not the focus here.