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		<title>By: A non-Jew</title>
		<link>http://www.frumsatire.net/2008/06/16/is-the-word-goy-offensive/comment-page-2/#comment-78105</link>
		<dc:creator>A non-Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello all,

I&#039;m not sure if this will post or not.  I have been learning a lot reading these posts.  I have a bit of insomnia tonight and looked up the word &quot;goyim&quot; to find out what it meant.  

My neighbor told me it was used in a temple he was planning on attending and he was very offended at its use.  He told me about it (a non-jew) and so curiosity finally got me.  I&#039;ll have to say, there are other words on here that I&#039;ll have to look into.  Here is my take on the word, from what I know as a gentile.

I will not use the word as I speak English and the word &quot;gentile&quot; suits me just fine.  I found it amusing that some who have posted here said they use goy because it&#039;s easier to say than &quot;gentile&quot; or &quot;non-jew&quot; and they are full of it.  Especially after looking at words they used in their postings in which they could have used shorter words; you know, less key strokes and therefore easier to type.  Gimme a break!  

I think the word use in an officious manner is ok, but the slang useage is insulting and the speaker knows in his heart how its used.  If my neighbor, who is also my friend, was in the company of other jews and I came across the street and he said &quot;Here comes my goy friend.&quot;  I would be insulted.  Why not just say, &quot;Here comes my friend.&quot;  Same as if my friend, who is black, comes to me and I&#039;m with other friends who are white.  I wouldn&#039;t say, &quot;here comes my black friend.&quot;  I would say, &quot;here comes my friend.&quot;

Sometmes differences are obvious and don&#039;t need to be orated.  Why the constant indicators of difference we put on people; jews and non-jews alike?  I&#039;m not talking political correctness because PC is incorrect.

Some of the things I read coming from jewish folks in these posts amazed me.  The arrogance and notions of superiority that some have about themselves were shocking.  Because one is a Jew, does not make one better than gentiles.  Did we not all come from the stock of Adam?  Didn&#039;t Abraham come from the loins of the &quot;goy&quot; until God chose him to be set apart?  Set apart does not mean superior.  Didn&#039;t anyone learn history from Nazi Germany on superiority complexes?  Or the arrogance of God&#039;s light bearer?  Anybody here read what happened to Israel in Ezekiel?  God will spank His kids if they misbehave and He has used the goyim to do it.  Another thought that occurred to me, was that those who are having superior feelings of being jewish, should stop and look around at what country they are living in.  If it&#039;s not Israel, then they should be grateful to the gentile nation they are living in.  Especially if they are being treated well.  I&#039;m not trying to sound antisemetic, I&#039;m tired and trying to make a point.  It&#039;s like, if you want to get all uppity about being jewish and looking down your noses at gentiles, then go to Israel because that&#039;s the land God promised jewish folks.

Now here&#039;s someting else to chew on.  I became a Christian at the age of 12.  True Christians and true Jews worship the same God.  The BIG difference is that we (Christians) believe the Messiah has come and will come again to reign in all His power and glory.  That being said, I love the jewish nation because my Savior is Jewish.  To hate jews would be to hate my Messiah.  I&#039;m also to love God with all my heart and soul and love my neighbor as myself.  So because of that I try really hard not to have a prideful outlook on myself.  God is not a respecter of persons, He sends the rain on the just and the unjust.  And I believe He looks at the heart of how someone is saying &quot;goy&quot; so I&#039;d advise you to check yourself, when using the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this will post or not.  I have been learning a lot reading these posts.  I have a bit of insomnia tonight and looked up the word &#8220;goyim&#8221; to find out what it meant.  </p>
<p>My neighbor told me it was used in a temple he was planning on attending and he was very offended at its use.  He told me about it (a non-jew) and so curiosity finally got me.  I&#8217;ll have to say, there are other words on here that I&#8217;ll have to look into.  Here is my take on the word, from what I know as a gentile.</p>
<p>I will not use the word as I speak English and the word &#8220;gentile&#8221; suits me just fine.  I found it amusing that some who have posted here said they use goy because it&#8217;s easier to say than &#8220;gentile&#8221; or &#8220;non-jew&#8221; and they are full of it.  Especially after looking at words they used in their postings in which they could have used shorter words; you know, less key strokes and therefore easier to type.  Gimme a break!  </p>
<p>I think the word use in an officious manner is ok, but the slang useage is insulting and the speaker knows in his heart how its used.  If my neighbor, who is also my friend, was in the company of other jews and I came across the street and he said &#8220;Here comes my goy friend.&#8221;  I would be insulted.  Why not just say, &#8220;Here comes my friend.&#8221;  Same as if my friend, who is black, comes to me and I&#8217;m with other friends who are white.  I wouldn&#8217;t say, &#8220;here comes my black friend.&#8221;  I would say, &#8220;here comes my friend.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sometmes differences are obvious and don&#8217;t need to be orated.  Why the constant indicators of difference we put on people; jews and non-jews alike?  I&#8217;m not talking political correctness because PC is incorrect.</p>
<p>Some of the things I read coming from jewish folks in these posts amazed me.  The arrogance and notions of superiority that some have about themselves were shocking.  Because one is a Jew, does not make one better than gentiles.  Did we not all come from the stock of Adam?  Didn&#8217;t Abraham come from the loins of the &#8220;goy&#8221; until God chose him to be set apart?  Set apart does not mean superior.  Didn&#8217;t anyone learn history from Nazi Germany on superiority complexes?  Or the arrogance of God&#8217;s light bearer?  Anybody here read what happened to Israel in Ezekiel?  God will spank His kids if they misbehave and He has used the goyim to do it.  Another thought that occurred to me, was that those who are having superior feelings of being jewish, should stop and look around at what country they are living in.  If it&#8217;s not Israel, then they should be grateful to the gentile nation they are living in.  Especially if they are being treated well.  I&#8217;m not trying to sound antisemetic, I&#8217;m tired and trying to make a point.  It&#8217;s like, if you want to get all uppity about being jewish and looking down your noses at gentiles, then go to Israel because that&#8217;s the land God promised jewish folks.</p>
<p>Now here&#8217;s someting else to chew on.  I became a Christian at the age of 12.  True Christians and true Jews worship the same God.  The BIG difference is that we (Christians) believe the Messiah has come and will come again to reign in all His power and glory.  That being said, I love the jewish nation because my Savior is Jewish.  To hate jews would be to hate my Messiah.  I&#8217;m also to love God with all my heart and soul and love my neighbor as myself.  So because of that I try really hard not to have a prideful outlook on myself.  God is not a respecter of persons, He sends the rain on the just and the unjust.  And I believe He looks at the heart of how someone is saying &#8220;goy&#8221; so I&#8217;d advise you to check yourself, when using the word.</p>
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		<title>By: FrumGer</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrumGer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goy is not offensive, it is easier than to say non jew or gentile. the offense lays in the heart of the speaker. if you say it with a sneer then yes maybe. some say jew nasty some say jew with out any nastyness at all. period.  guess what they are different than us and we are different then them. nothing wrong with being differential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goy is not offensive, it is easier than to say non jew or gentile. the offense lays in the heart of the speaker. if you say it with a sneer then yes maybe. some say jew nasty some say jew with out any nastyness at all. period.  guess what they are different than us and we are different then them. nothing wrong with being differential.</p>
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		<title>By: moshe</title>
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		<dc:creator>moshe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are a Goy Kadosh.  So certainly the word &quot;goy&quot; is perfectly neutral  .However, some want to think of it as derogatory.
&quot;Screw&quot; is a perfectly useful word but some may want to look at it as an offensive word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are a Goy Kadosh.  So certainly the word &#8220;goy&#8221; is perfectly neutral  .However, some want to think of it as derogatory.<br />
&#8220;Screw&#8221; is a perfectly useful word but some may want to look at it as an offensive word.</p>
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		<title>By: LearnedShiksa</title>
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		<dc:creator>LearnedShiksa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to think anti-goyism has prepared me for anti-semitism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think anti-goyism has prepared me for anti-semitism</p>
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		<title>By: Sergeant J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergeant J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few thoughts.. 
Yes, the way many Jews use the word &quot;goy&quot; should be considered offensive, because they MEAN to be offensive.
To the guy who &quot;quoted&quot; Jesus.. Hmm, as a Jew, I don&#039;t base my vocab or translations on anything from the NT, I mean, all all young women virgins, esp in a time where marriage under 12 was common? I think not. Oh, and 
Nigerians (Pronounced &quot;ni-jeer-ey-ans&quot;) Come from Nigeria, Nigeriens (I think pronounced &quot;ni-ger-ey ans&quot;) come from Niger. 
Hope that helps..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few thoughts..<br />
Yes, the way many Jews use the word &#8220;goy&#8221; should be considered offensive, because they MEAN to be offensive.<br />
To the guy who &#8220;quoted&#8221; Jesus.. Hmm, as a Jew, I don&#8217;t base my vocab or translations on anything from the NT, I mean, all all young women virgins, esp in a time where marriage under 12 was common? I think not. Oh, and<br />
Nigerians (Pronounced &#8220;ni-jeer-ey-ans&#8221;) Come from Nigeria, Nigeriens (I think pronounced &#8220;ni-ger-ey ans&#8221;) come from Niger.<br />
Hope that helps..</p>
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		<title>By: ThisWholeThingSoundsInsane</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThisWholeThingSoundsInsane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If we arent better, and each nation serves another point of existance, for another purpose, why are you converting? &quot;

Haimish clearly has a very warped view of the world and reality. 

It leads me to conclude that haimish is nothing less than a full blown Zionist, by him making durogatory remarks about the goyish and claiming Judaism etc. is a way to feel superior to everyone else.

This is the kind of crazy talk only preached in countries like Georgia. How in the world is Judaism both a race AND a religion?

And how can you actually convert to a superior chosen race through a religion? If I convert to the Talmud as a &quot;shabbaz goy&quot; I am now superior to the rest of humanity? 

Are you actually being serious? 
Does this madness mean the KKK could convert to aryan status through christianity?

Who came up with these insane crazy ideas that Haimish and others are brainwashed by, where there is some kind of superior chosen super race that comes out of the religion of Judaism &amp; you can do whatever you want once you are part of this movement. 

This is almost as crazy as the eugenics movement of South Africa, I&#039;m sorry but people like Haimish seem to be the reason why Judaism &amp; Islam have gotten so much hate in the world.

And I&#039;m sure this rabid Zionist is the reason why these new world order games seem to go on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If we arent better, and each nation serves another point of existance, for another purpose, why are you converting? &#8221;</p>
<p>Haimish clearly has a very warped view of the world and reality. </p>
<p>It leads me to conclude that haimish is nothing less than a full blown Zionist, by him making durogatory remarks about the goyish and claiming Judaism etc. is a way to feel superior to everyone else.</p>
<p>This is the kind of crazy talk only preached in countries like Georgia. How in the world is Judaism both a race AND a religion?</p>
<p>And how can you actually convert to a superior chosen race through a religion? If I convert to the Talmud as a &#8220;shabbaz goy&#8221; I am now superior to the rest of humanity? </p>
<p>Are you actually being serious?<br />
Does this madness mean the KKK could convert to aryan status through christianity?</p>
<p>Who came up with these insane crazy ideas that Haimish and others are brainwashed by, where there is some kind of superior chosen super race that comes out of the religion of Judaism &amp; you can do whatever you want once you are part of this movement. </p>
<p>This is almost as crazy as the eugenics movement of South Africa, I&#8217;m sorry but people like Haimish seem to be the reason why Judaism &amp; Islam have gotten so much hate in the world.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sure this rabid Zionist is the reason why these new world order games seem to go on</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 04:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goy is just a word. The attitude of &quot;I&#039;m better than you because of my religion&quot; whether you&#039;re christian, jewish or muslim, scientologist or whatever is bullshit. Personally, I think God would want us all to pull our heads out of our butts and realize that we should all be making our circumstances better by helping one person at a time if we can. Getting hung up in whether or not &quot;goy&quot; is offensive is by far to me the stupidest hangup I have ever seen. It&#039;s offensive to some and to others it doesn&#039;t even matter. I think that if we spent as much time on the real issues rather than on the great &quot;goy&quot; debate then maybe there wouldn&#039;t be as many brutal and violent acts happening all over the world.
Sincerely,
Gabe Peloponnakos
A goy with asperger&#039;s
Ps: Political Correctness is lame to me, actually giving a crap about people is the cool thing to do, but that&#039;s just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goy is just a word. The attitude of &#8220;I&#8217;m better than you because of my religion&#8221; whether you&#8217;re christian, jewish or muslim, scientologist or whatever is bullshit. Personally, I think God would want us all to pull our heads out of our butts and realize that we should all be making our circumstances better by helping one person at a time if we can. Getting hung up in whether or not &#8220;goy&#8221; is offensive is by far to me the stupidest hangup I have ever seen. It&#8217;s offensive to some and to others it doesn&#8217;t even matter. I think that if we spent as much time on the real issues rather than on the great &#8220;goy&#8221; debate then maybe there wouldn&#8217;t be as many brutal and violent acts happening all over the world.<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Gabe Peloponnakos<br />
A goy with asperger&#8217;s<br />
Ps: Political Correctness is lame to me, actually giving a crap about people is the cool thing to do, but that&#8217;s just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: jennthejewess</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennthejewess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HATE the word goy and almost never use it...i physucally cringe wen others do...I just say non jew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HATE the word goy and almost never use it&#8230;i physucally cringe wen others do&#8230;I just say non jew</p>
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		<title>By: im_a_goy_and_kafir_too</title>
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		<dc:creator>im_a_goy_and_kafir_too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dislike the word &quot;goy&quot; as much as I dislike moslem people calling non-believers (like me) kafir. We never call non-hindus &quot;those cow-eating bastards&quot; / &quot;those stupid people who don&#039;t believe in reincarnation&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dislike the word &#8220;goy&#8221; as much as I dislike moslem people calling non-believers (like me) kafir. We never call non-hindus &#8220;those cow-eating bastards&#8221; / &#8220;those stupid people who don&#8217;t believe in reincarnation&#8221;.</p>
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