Here is the context of the urban legend I speak of here: Two yeshiva guys just ate dinner at their Rebbes house.
Hey Moishe- how many Kids does Rabbi F. have?
“Ten and 9 of them are boys”
Good for them, you know what that means (said with a smirk and an evil laugh)
It is known at least amongst my friends and I that- if the women has a boy she climaxed first during when the child was conceived, but if she had a girl- she didn’t.
All I seek is the truth- Is this some kabalistic urban legend, so people can speculate about each others sex lives?
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It is true, i read it in the Gemara-mesechtas nida. I can look for it over shabbos and give you the complete source. I dont know if it actually works or not but its not an urban legend.
All i know is that i want boys so i hope it works!!
Never heard that one, I will have to check with Madonna, I mean Esther.
What if she doesn’t climax at all?
Its a rashi on chumush. I am not sure which parsha.
I’ve never heard of that. So if a family has a run of boys and then three girls, that just means the dad got lazy?
On a related note, a friend of mine’s kallah teacher regaled her with horror stories about all the terrible middot her future children would possess if they were conceived in anything but the missionary position.
Wow I figured this concept would come up sooner or later. The gemara is usually a few hundred years ahead of science, but I’m pretty sure the studies are rising about this and it’s definitely true. Whenever we’d see a station wagon with 10 little Zalman’s running out holding their bag of Potato stix with little Suri tagging along in the back, only one thing came to our minds.
Maybe that’s why so many men have mostly girls or all girls. After so many years zetzing themself in the yeshiva mikva, it’s no shock to hear he climaxes first. Another ordinary Friday night in Klonymous’s bedroom.
So the shidduch crisis was really caused by men being one pump chumps???
“zetzing themself in the yeshiva mikva,”
–ew.
“it’s no shock to hear he climaxes first.”
–actually, I’d think practice would foster the ability to time/control how long it takes to climax (but I’m not a guy, and what’s the case for one gender may be different for the other)
It sounds like an urban legend to me. Since not satisfying the wife is beis-dintacular (I know that’s not a word) grounds for a woman to petition for and receive a get, I’d imagine it would be in every mensch’s interest to make sure the gentleman finishes last.
Then again, I’m naive enough to believe that adding love to the equation will make that activity better on a level to which no climax can compare, so what do I know?
SB- hence the reason they fail to mention in many women’s kallah classes that they can also be pleasured during sex- so they never have to deal with this sort of case.
Imagine if women found out they could be pleasured too?
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first rashi in tazriah, dude!
Serisouly? Of course it’s a legend! Have you ever taken a biology class? Or do you think conception happens like magic and the individual sperms can change from an x to a y chromosome depending on when an orgasm happens? Seriously?
That’s why the Torah had to give a separate mitzvah of pleasuring her. Otherwise no one would. Actually it didn’t help since they don’t teach that Mitzvah.
Weird. I commented twice and neither has appeared – are you moderating these comments?
i dont think the sources you are all quoting is talking about climaxing, they refer to being “mazriah techila” sending out the egg/sperm first. I dont know if that is climaxing, but thats what it says.
look at frumsatire.com
Ok, I found the source-its in maseches nida:perek shlishi (chapter 3) torwards the end about 3-5 pages from the end of the perek:starts with “Amar Rabbi Yitzchok Amar Rabbi Ami, Isha mizra’as techila yoledes zochar. Ish mazria techila yoledes nekaiva.”
“Imagine if women found out they could be pleasured too?”
Oh, please. I’ve heard from many a woman, from my own kallah teacher, and from niddah/taharat hamishpacha/marriage books in general – it is imperative to pleasure your woman, besides the halachic commandment. Judaism is no Islam. We get plenty of pleasure.
yeah i vaguely remember learning something bout this in yeshiva…….if this isn’t an incentive for me to be a gentleman, i don’t know what is
I’m wit Rafi.
“It sounds like an urban legend to me. Since not satisfying the wife is beis-dintacular (I know that’s not a word) grounds for a woman to petition for and receive a get, I’d imagine it would be in every mensch’s interest to make sure the gentleman finishes last.”
What if the lady can’t satisfy the man? Is that grounds for divorce as well?
Well gennaro- you will just have to read the Dr. Yael articles in the Jewish Press.
Anybody got a literal translation of: perek shlishi (chapter 3)? (heehee?) — I just had a thought — especially considering it was guys who wrote this stuff — maybe not satisfying the woman in bed is supposed to mean not having as many kids as the wife wants (or trying to, at least? ‘Cause I mean, how much do you think these guys knew about the female orgasm? And that would make it make more sense why it’s b.d.tacular grounds for a get. Just a thought. Gennaro, I don’t know.
And what’s this stuff about sperm and eggs and jacob and rafi and ae? If this boils down to the difference between mizra’as and mazria techila, what’s the difference between the two words? They look like they’d have mem, zayin and resh in common, with the rest of the letters being variable (I don’t know enough Hebrew to be as linguistics dorky as I want to be, right now).
My wife never climaxed in her life, and we have lots of boys and no girls, so…
this is retarded and doesn’t belong here.
you missed the mark with this one.
Oh so THAT’s the guy whose wife keeps writing Rachel…
MAzria does NOT mean climax
but it is fun to speculate
just to point 0ut… this is based on a rashi in chumash and really doesnt specifically refer to climaxing, rather it is refering to whos seed comes first. Now the male seed is directly related to climax, howver the female seed is not rather it is realted to the monthly cycle. Additionally as everyone here hopefully knows that a mans seed needs to be present for conception, however its timing in the MONTHLY schedule is what is important (by the way the mans seed stays alive in the women for up to three days afterwards and can conceive then). So enjoy the speculation but there is no connection to actual climax.
Sorry
Hey Beryl, how can you be absolutely sure that your wife never climaxed in her life?
Rashi in P’ Vayigash, perek mem vav.
just to set some things in order:
1. the source quoted by rashi and by the gmara in nida is the “midrash raba” on tazriah.
2. other uses of the word “mazraat” in those midrashim definatly meen to climax – they had a slightly diffrent view of how the monthly cycle worked ack then.
I would like to create an everyday use for the word beis dintacular.
Well, if it IS an urban legend, it’s one that’s being taught in college. That’s what I learned in my human development class. How to get a girl baby and how to get a male baby. As I recall, my teacher asked which we thought was more fun to make.
wow this is pretty laughable, take a biology class for christ’s sake, no educated adult can actually believe this tripe can they?
Mark that is very interesting and now I am going to have to look this up.
I know she was a virgin when I married her (all the blood and screaming clued me in) and all the time I have been with her she never had an orgasm, so unless she did aishes ish….
well, Beryl, I guess you have some homework to do…
For the people who still think it’s a legend, wake up. This is currently taught in modern sex (of the baby) control, right up there with choosing what foods she eats.
The current scientific reason for why it’s not a legend is because the woman’s orgasm directly affects the acidity level of the insides, making the environment much more comfortable for the Y sperm (which are weaker despite being faster), allowing them a better chance to reach the egg first as opposed to facing a more harsh environment for them if the woman does not climax.
If you’re still not buying it well then, I don’t think any book (science, gemara, or otherwise) is likely to help.
It could also mean the time in the woman’s monthly cycle. As the cycle changes the acidity of the insides (you know what I mean – I hope I am not offending anyone) changes. So the acidity or basicity can cause a preference for one sex over the other.
ask madonna- she is probably a level 10 black belt by now in kabala
It means whoever’s zera (egg) is there first. Here’s the science behidg it: Researchers have found that male sperm swim faster than female sperm, but they also don’t live as long. So if the sperm was there first, by the time the woman ovulates, the male sperm died, hence the baby=girl. However if the woman ovulated first, then the fastest swimmer scores (which would usually be a male sperm)
Actually I recently found out that its a gemara in brachos
Hesh,
I can tell you that it’s NOT foolproof based on experience…
Whether it means climaxing or it means ovulating, it’s not guaranteed at all, because I tried both pshotim without the wanted results…:(
Women get raped and they have kids from that union, and some have boys! Does that mean they climaxed? Good chance not. Or even if they have a girl, it would STILL mean (according to this) that they climaxed too, just after the perp! And I know women who didn’t orgasm until years after marriage, and they still had both girls AND boys!
So the answer is that we don’t know exact pshat in the gemora (yes, it is in Brochos) because whatever it means, it’s obviously not we’re accustomed to nowadays.
I would suggest that Anon., and anyone else who wishes to make remarks about Islam, first learn a little bit about what Islam really believes and practices. Sharia requires the husband to satisfy his wife.
And Beryl, you must be a truly legendary lover. I am so not jealous of your wife.
When a woman climaxes, she can sometimes spontaneously ovulate. This may affect the gender of the child, depending on which swimmers reach there first.