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Ideas for making charedi buses more charedi

There seems to be some problems with the mehadrin buses in Israel, because while they proclaim themselves as glatt kosher, they not only do not have a mechitza like the famous “mechitza buses” of Monsey Trails, they also have unlicensed bouncers that seem to go out of control whenever a woman decides to become the hemishe Rosa Parks and sit in the front of the bus.

Why do I never hear of Charedim beating up people for violating the rules on the Monsey Trails buses? What are the folks who run the Egged Mehadrin buses in Israel doing wrong? Why have they had a hard time controlling these ladies who want to try their hand at non-violent protests and end up being killed by angry mobs of folks who want to see their insular way of life upheld.

I never understood why Egged Mehadrin buses didn’t just put a mechitza up, similar to those found on the Monsey buses, this solves seating arrangements and it also lets everyone who doesn’t know that the bus is glatt kosher, that in fact it is and by boarding the bus while wearing non-charedi garb they are liable to be attacked by a violent mob of people who felt that last weeks shabbos riots didn’t get enough done.

I also feel that in order to make the buses extra kosher they should just use the rear entrance for women, instead of having two coed exits. Another idea was to implement a similar plan that the FAA did by placing US Marshals on specific flights. Here the buses can have undercover Vaad Hatznius agents on random buses, and if some gets out of line, for instance if a lady does not have stockings with seems, or a man is seen surfing the net on his cell phone, they could arrest them for bringing pritzus to the land.

How about having electric fences set up that automatically sense when a woman is crossing into the frontal threshold and sends a small shock to the person trying to pull off some Rosa Park stunt and sit in the men’s section. Kind of like US Pilots having guns we can give the bus drivers in Israel.

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  • suitepotato February 27, 2008, 4:20 PM

    Won’t work. Someone will declare the mechitza insufficient on multiple grounds and won’t be happy till someone dressed to the nines right to the furry hat and rifle on a sling is walking the top of the mechitza between electrified razor wire runs, and the side facing the men is plastered in nothing but badly written issurim in ninety different font sizes and signed posthumously by dead rabbis. The side facing the women will be painted dead black.

    Something like that can only be a fixed emplacement in a nice sized shul, IF they’re willing to lose seats to it (what a choice), or on let’s say a large cruise ship and that would involve digging a canal through Monsey or anywhere else the buses ran and no way will anyone stand for the damage to their property values.

    You have to have priorities after all.

  • s(b.) February 27, 2008, 4:29 PM

    the answer, of course, is a burqua (sp?) mobile.
    (I’m being very facetious.) Nice post, Hesh. Very funny!

  • Yochanan February 27, 2008, 4:32 PM

    “they also have unlicensed bouncers that seem to go out of control whenever a woman decides to become the hemishe Rosa Parks and sit in the front of the bus.”

    The”hemishe Rosa Parks”. I believe you mean
    “Rivka Perlman”.

  • heshman February 27, 2008, 6:20 PM

    Ok these three comments were awesome- and funny. I wish we could get more of that around here.

  • Left Brooklyn and Never Looked Back February 27, 2008, 9:31 PM

    The buses should be for the women (and boys under 13) only. The men can walk, the exercise would do them some good 😉

  • Anita February 27, 2008, 10:08 PM

    awesome post :)!

    lol on the “unlicensed bouncers” 🙂

  • heshman February 27, 2008, 11:34 PM

    I read an article on the USA today that said Mexico wanted to make separate buses for men and women

  • nadav February 28, 2008, 4:10 AM

    See this haaretz article: http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=958616&contrassID=2&subContrassID=2&sbSubContrassID=0

    The charedim are fighting a real battle to spread the mehadrin buses, including requiring what you said about women boarding the bus only via the rear doors (as well as not allowing radio). The issue has become really hot recently because the supreme court has gotten involved and said the buses must allow people to not be segregated if they so choose, and one of the judges said even un-tznius-ly dressed women must be let onboard. A Knesset committee will discuss the issue in the coming days.

  • shachar February 28, 2008, 9:12 AM

    just noting that the j-m mehadrin busses already have seperate entrances for men and women…
    women enetr by the back door and are trusted to pay by the honour system…

  • heshman February 28, 2008, 11:09 AM

    News to me, so this Rosa Parks aka Rosa Pearlman was actually being quite defiant by sitting on the front of the bus.

  • shachar February 28, 2008, 1:26 PM

    there are actually 3 diffrent kinds of mehadrin lines:
    1. inter-city busses, that are about a third of the regular price, at the cost of meeting their dress code (and being jewish…). on these busses everyone enters from the front door and women go to the back, and the driver will stop the buss and leave people in the middle of nowhere if they cause problems.
    2. official mehadrin lines inside the cities, mainly in j-m and bnei-brak. on these busses men enter from the front and women from the back. some have a small mechitza bloking the isle.
    3. busses that the chareidi population want to turn into mehadrin lines but which arent yet – these are where the lynchés, shouts etc. take place, usually do to an unsuspecting women who is taking the line for the first time and doesnt have a clue as to whats going on.

  • Yochanan February 28, 2008, 5:00 PM

    Why don’t they just get those double decker buses that they have in the UK?

  • suitepotato February 28, 2008, 8:09 PM

    Yochanan, they’d run the risk of a low overpass, and if the women are up there when they get scraped off ala that scene in The Mummy Returns then the men would have to take care of the babies and change diapers. If the men are up there, the women will later cavort in a decidedly untznius way in celebration at the problem being taken care of.

    It’s a no win situation, those double decker buses. I’m in favor of the long bendy buses like tandem trailers. One for women, one for men. The women can decorate theirs any way they want, the men can remain surrounded by dreariness in ecstatic suffering like medieval Franciscans.

  • heshman February 28, 2008, 11:37 PM

    So Shachar are you telling me that we are beating out the Indians for words starngest Caste systems?

    Hey if we have double deckers can we have plastic slides like those that pop out of airplanes when they crash.

  • jk March 2, 2008, 1:45 PM

    whats with these chareidirrists if they are so afraid of woman why marry one?and if they cant control their urges hence the need for a mechitzah or fence they should try “therapy”

    in any case its always fun reading your blogs (when i have the time)

  • hannah May 5, 2009, 3:39 PM

    trust me do not get on a bus on a fast day.. me and my husband sat together in the middle and this lady almost picked him up.. no joke.. see the point of the mahadrin bus is so the men dont look at them women but all they do is stair at them.. we all know that.. i heard they wanted separate buses all together like women are on one bus and men are on another. their all so fake as you get off the back and they stair at you from their seats looking out the windows.. i think they just need to learn to keep it in their pants

  • Michal bas Avraham May 5, 2009, 9:40 PM

    maybe some ice down the front would do the trick….

  • Liora December 22, 2011, 7:23 AM

    I have the best idea ever, all busses should just have a pull cattle trailer attached and the women can ride in the trailer…

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