Germies and orthodox Judaism do not mix

by Heshy Fried on January 22, 2008 · 25 comments

Germies are folks who cannot stand the thought of drinking out of the same bottle as someone else, eating off of a public plate, shaking random peoples hands and any other number of things that would require the Germy to constantly be washing their hands. Some germies carry baby wipes and hand sanitizer in their purses or pockets to prevent the spread of bacteria. These folks also tend to be the folks who turn off public restroom faucets with their paper towels and wash their hands vigorously whenever they can find a sink. Orthodox Judaism is not place for a germy.

Kiddush at Shull:
I can only imagine what its like for a germy, all those unwashed hands trying to fiddle around with the little colorful toothpicks that have been haphazardly lodged into the shmaltz herring and fish balls. The thoughts of everyone coughing and sneezing into their hands, because you had just heard the orchestra of common colds entertaining you during the Rabbis sermon. To think that all of those hands are trying to fish the cholent spoon out of the pot and a few reckless folks deciding that they could do better with their own little plastic spoons in the cholent. Or the folks like myself that refrain from trying to weed through hungry old ladies and just shove our hands through the throng and grab a piece of kugel or rainbow cake without the proper use of the utensil. The of course there are the folks who like to pick with their hands out of the communal salad bowl or fruit platter. Frankly Kiddush must be a germies worst nightmare.

Kiddush at Home: 
I don’t even like it when my host takes a huge swig of the becher with his probably bug infested beard dipping into the cup and his and everyone elses backwash at the table coming to meet my lips, imagine the thoughts of someone who wishes they made bubble suits for folks afraid of bacteria. Then even if you make it past the kiddush without having to swallow loose beard hairs and your hosts backwash, you may have to watch as every little kids hand touches your little grape juice filled cup that was just taken off of the wine fountain to be given to you, scary huh?
Shull:
How exactly does one refrain from shaking someone’s hand that was just thrust out to them on their return from an aliyah? Or how do you refuse to hold the sweaty hands of someone while dancing the horah around the bima during one of those Carlebach shabbosim that orthodox shulls have tried to implement in order to lighten up the mood in shull on Friday nights. Hairy hippies will never take no for an answer, but how do you refuse to take their hands and do the frummy bima shuffle instead (dancing without hand locking) Then of course you have the guy in back of you who is just hacking away into his rapidly decaying tissue. And the random snuff box that is floating past you, tempting you to sneeze your guts out just before the Haftorah. Such complicated issues for a germy arise and what do they do?

Simchas:
Ever notice the few folks sitting out all the dances and just watching along? Well if they are not gorging themselves with excessive amounts of food, they are probably germies. Closet germies, but nevertheless they have no excuse other then their feet hurt and their back hurts, because there is nothing worse for a germy, save for eating cholent at Kiddush, then having to dance at a wedding or bar mitzvah. Think about it, you have all these drunk sweaty men, who probably did not wash their hands once the whole night, and they are rubbing up against you and touching you, transferring sweaty throw up infested bacteria onto you and eventually destroying your immune system. So these germies tend to get up for the frummy electric slide when everyone does the touch-less carpet slide on the dance floor, which never lasts more then a few minutes anyway.

Just like shull the same problem of unwanted hand shaking arises at simchas, but unlike shabbos there is one way to avoid this, in fact it was originally invented by frummies who were also germies. Instead of the traditional hand shake, people at simchas generally say Mazel Tov, and either continues talking or walk away. I have noticed many a time that Mazel Tov could be used as a way to stop a conversation and prevent unwanted hand shaking.

Buses and Sharoot’s:

Mechitza buses only make it worse for the germy. Men by nature are less cleanly then women and in this case it s a horrendous crime to force the causal Monsey Trails traveler to sit next to his own kind. Maybe there are some empty seats on the women’s side, but regardless he must deal with Yoilies noxious fumes and half eaten shawarma sticking out of his bag dripping its contents awfully close to your own lunch, that was neatly wrapped in many pieces of saran wrap.

I think the sharoot in Israel is a nightmare for any self proclaimed germy. I have been packed in solid with 10 people I didn’t know, while we shoved each other for air as we drove from the airport to Jerusalem, it wasn’t comfy for me, having big hairy ladies coughing on me, and I am the anti-germy. Actually I attribute my healthy self to being an anti-germy as I frequently impose the Ten-Second rule upon myself, even in questionable ground surfaces. The Ten Second rule can in fact be any number seconds that one would eat something that has fallen on the floor, of course it depends what type of floor and how dirty it was, but in most cases ten seconds is a nationally accepted time line in which one may eat something that has fallen to the floor and not be branded as disgusting. Seconds are added for instance if no one is around to judge your sickness rating.

Mikvah:
I guess I am a germy when it comes to this, as I only use natural bodies of water far from human civilization, in other words I go to the mikvah whenever I go skinny dipping on a solo bike ride or hike.

Kissing the Torah: 
Ok so if you do it with your siddur thats fine, but what if you have an old fraying artscroll or birnbaum that was undoubtedly touched by 20 million unwashed hands during its lifetime. Its almost like putting money in your mouth, bad thoughts swirling around kissing siddurim after they touch the torahs covering. You can use a shinew like your elbow- so you dont have to watch your contaminated hands, or maybe you are wearing your own talis, but still the tzitzis probably spent some time on the floor during shull.

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1 Erev Rav January 22, 2008 at 7:58 PM

How did you manage to avoid mentioning passing the Kiddush cup from one pair of fasting-for-16-hours lips to the next in a wide scale round robin festering bird flu fest? Yeah, and after the 24th drinker, spinning the cup 45 degrees doesn’t help anymore, now does it?

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2 Tamara Eden January 22, 2008 at 7:59 PM

You missed one.

What about kissing the prayer book every time you close it? If you do that. I know I do. Or, the Torah being kissed and touched every time it comes around. I do think about kissing the prayer book and it’s kinda icky.

However…perhaps germs don’t count in Shul just like calories don’t count on Shabbat :)

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3 heshman January 22, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Hey thanks folks I updated the post, I am so embarrassed for forgetting those two.

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4 Ice Horse January 22, 2008 at 11:57 PM

And what about that nasty towel that is by the negel vasser sink in every shteibel?

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5 Jacob is the New Ice Horse January 23, 2008 at 2:04 AM

What about kissing the mezuza?

Esp. in a shull where 300 people roll in?

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6 Jacob is the New Ice Horse January 23, 2008 at 2:04 AM

Old Ice horse, I personally do not go near shul towels , they are changed very rarely and smell horrible.

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7 Jacob is the New Ice Horse January 23, 2008 at 2:06 AM

I haven’t gone to a mikvah in years, way too much salami on sale for me and also that my friends bro-in-law got cellulites from the mikvah.

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8 FS January 23, 2008 at 2:33 AM

Hey Ice Horse what about those nasty towels that they have in some places that just recycle themselves and keep going around until the janitor decides its too nasty.

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9 shlomo January 23, 2008 at 2:39 AM

How about by a Rebbe’s Tisch, with saryim and hundreds of sweaty chasidim all grabbing for the leftovers?

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10 FS January 23, 2008 at 3:01 AM

I remember at one Tisch all the chassidim just stuck their hands into the kugel pot after the Rebbe had blessed it.

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11 Ice Horse January 23, 2008 at 5:06 AM

FS-
I was referring to those cycle towels

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12 Nemo January 23, 2008 at 8:43 AM

You forgot the host slicing the bread and passing it around the table…

And what about Sheva Brochos… ok, the bride and groom will be sharing germs anyway, but what about all the other people that try to take a sip?

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13 miriam January 23, 2008 at 12:35 PM

That is so me! Don’t get me wrong. I love everyone, but yes, sometimes I pass on kiddush just for that reason -relying on the concept of just hearing kiddush for a woman is enough.

As for the mezzusas and books, I hope its okay, but I touch and kiss the backside of my hand. lol -does that count?! lol

Anyways, I have seen some germies too. This you wouldn’t know about but some are afraid to touch my hand to do circle dances. I think they think they may become dark LOLOL.

Well, its nice to see others are germies too. As long as I get my own “germie space” I’m cool.

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14 heshman January 23, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Hey at least in women’s circle dances you guys dont get all up in each others faces. In mens circle dances someone always ends up holding up the line and everyone crunches into one another.

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15 Ben January 23, 2008 at 4:22 PM

As an avowed germaphobe, I can tell you it’s not easy by a longshot. THe simple answer is I spend a lot of money on purell. The more complicated answer is I also have a lot of those alcohol wipes which I use on just about every surface I plan to touch, and yes, I sit out on the sidelines during the mass dancing – wouldn’t want to have to burn my suit.

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16 FS January 24, 2008 at 6:03 AM

I think yasher koach was invented by some Jew haters that wanted to spread bacteria amongst the Jews, kind of like the Indians that were given blankets with disease in them.

For I could never figure out the purpose of yasher koach.

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17 Michael January 24, 2008 at 8:40 PM

It’s worse in chassidishe places where the slogan seems to be “Serving utensils? We don’t need no steeenkeeeng serving utensils!”.

Try being a germy (*raises gloved hand*) while attending a function in which every partially-bathed shvitzy person is sticking the fork or spoon from which they just ate, back into the communal serving dish for more herring/cholent/whatever.

I mean, hell….not only am I a germy, but for many years I worked in restaurants; I am used to the odd looks I get when I grab a napkin or paper towel and use THAT to retrieve a piece of kiddush cake from the platter. Thank you Chicago Health Department regulations for making me look like I’m from Mars when I eat anything at a siyum or l’chaim…

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18 heshman January 25, 2008 at 1:51 AM

Dude great comment and you are so right, in fact there is this great you tube video on my favorites of a chassidishe guy fressing at a wedding and he uses no utensils at all when serving himself.

My buddy cringes whenever he goes to any Jewish event and he spends half the time in the bathroom vigorously scrubbing his hands free of frummy bacteria.

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19 Aryeh January 27, 2008 at 4:01 AM

just letting you know that the 10 second rule has changed. A study came out a few months that showed that food has to be on the floor for at least 5 min before bacteria colonizes it.

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20 miriam January 27, 2008 at 5:21 AM

Michael -I agree with you comment! I know I try to grab as much food as I can before everyone starts serving themselves.

Hesh- great topic!

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21 Avrum January 27, 2008 at 9:10 PM

I have a hard time with the Netilas Yedayim towels in homes, not just in shuls. In fact just yesterday, I embarrassed myself thusly… the host put the communal towel on my shoulder, and instead of using it, I washed, then surreptitiously dried using the stash of tissues in my pocket…. however, having not used the communal towel, I forgot to remove it from my shoulder, and it was still there during hoMotzi! :O

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22 Avrum January 27, 2008 at 9:12 PM

Has anyone ever had this horrible experience… we were finishing the salad course on Shabbos and a “helpful” guest proceeded to empty everyone’s leftover salad back into the serving bowl!!!! :O

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23 heshman January 28, 2008 at 2:20 AM

I didn’t think it was such a good topic when I wrote it, but it seems that it is an interesting one… so many good comments.

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24 mother in israel January 29, 2008 at 5:33 PM

My husband says it’s worse not to be a frummy–because of all that kissing LOL.

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25 daintysplendor December 2, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Avrum – OH NO I have never seen it it’s just horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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