Judging women based on how they cover their hair

by Heshy Fried on January 7, 2008 · 47 comments

I would like to apologize for the lack of postage lately, I am usually on top of things and tend to post every other day, I have been slacking due to many reasons, mostly for not being internet accessible. On January 20 I start work again and that means I can get back into the groove. For some reason when I transfered the blog from my old site the following post never made the switch. The post has been updated and edited and like usual will offend some of you, so enjoy!!!

Women in the frum community are judged by many things, how well they can make a kugel, how many children they can have while they are still teenagers, how fast they can roll one of those huge strollers, to shull on shabbos morning or to the last industrial sized can of chrayonaise at the kollel store or even how rude they can be while triple parking on Coney Island Avenue, but there is no way better to judge frum women then by her hair covering or lack of it- in which case she may be considered a member of the tribe in some communities and a heretic in others. The frummer the women is the less hair shows, in the frummest circles they decided to get rid of this problem by shaving their heads and giving them the Pakistani cab driver look with the use of turbans. These ultra frummies have eradicated hair from their heads, synthetic hair and real hair is gone, I have no idea if they shave their other hair- but I wont go there, judging from the way they smell when you get within 10 feet of them- I am confident that no one reading this blog will ever venture down below in the underground world of Hasidic pubic hair customs.

I have wondered a lot about the whole turban concept, especially how they stay upright in the rain. Do they make them with Teflon coating so that they are water resistant, or do they have windproof fleece liners to keep the cold out- since hair usually acts as a natural cold weather protector. Do the settlers in Israel have bullet proof turbans made out of Kevlar? Why don’t I ever see the shaved head ladies wearing shower caps in the rain, they are way more comfy and they are very good when running and we know how much frummies love to run everywhere.

Then you have the Modern Ultra Orthodox crowd, kind of like Chassidish Liberal, these ladies are the ones that probably still shave their heads- but they do don those nasty looking synthetic sheitles with the little hats on top to prove that the hair is not real. Of course I doubt tat anyone save for a drunken chassid would think that the plastic sheitle was real hair- but they still have to show how frum they are by proving their sheitle ith the addition of a hat. First of all why don’t the hats ever cover the full wig, second, why do these hat and sheitle combinations remind me of those nurses from all the World War Two movies with the little hats on top of their bob hairdos.

Like the turban-robe crowd, the small hat-sheitle combo ladies wear their bullet proof brown stockings with the seam up the back to make you want to look at their legs. The seam is almost like asking folks to turn their heads and wonder what goes on under the potato sack/robe you have on. It is also like the sheitle and hat combo another way to show that the stockings are not actually their legs. Although I would highly doubt that any Chassidish women have enough exposure to the sun to get such a golden brown tan line.

What is the point of a sheitle, if it looks better then the natural hair? Should sexy and sheitle even be allowed to appear in the same sentence? These questions are posed all the time in today’s world of sheitle hookers and Hot Channies. This post is not about halacha it is about stereotyping, and with that I bring you the wealthy frummies that have pony tails and bangs in their sheitles. Remember when every frum women had a mullet wig and that was cool? Well now it’s the sheitle that makes your hair look real, and at the same time never allows the women to grow gray hair.

These very expensive sheitles are reserved for women who like to stroll along Central Ave and Coney Island avenue strutting their stuff while their husbands are administrating nursing homes or something of the sort. They strut and we stare and everyone seems to be content, except for some bloggers maybe.

The normal sheitle wearers- pretty much every woman who does not fall inline with the charedim, and do not strut their stuff will at some point don the Rasta look alike hat called a snood. A snood is just a clever way of saying shopping bag that covers my hair. The problem with snoods are they reveal a taste of what is to come. Women who wear snoods are being extremely untznius- its almost as if they are wearing just a bra and no shirt. You cannot actually see the goods, but you know exactly what’s there. I tink Rabbis deemed it kosher because although snoods maybe untznius- they make the women look so undesirable that it must be kosher.

The lamp shade phenomena has recently hit modern orthodoxy where strongholds against women covering their hair are starting to shatter under the pressure of all the girls that come back from their year in an Israel seminary, brainwashed. They usually spend the first couple weeks in town getting drunk and laid and all the sudden they gain 100 pounds and become those type of girls that shuckel with full out intensity while burying their faces in the siddurs.

The influx of modern orthodox machmir women to the traditional strongholds of modern orthodox liberal has proven to be a boon to the hat makers of America. Many girls and women will not go to the sheitle or snood extreme, but they will don the lampshade of those scarves that tie up at the end. Even the old time liberal girls are starting to list
partial hair covering on their frumster profiles, probably for marketing purposes.

I think that Falls were created to make aging women feel good about themselves. First of all I cannot usually tell when the women has a fall or a head band on, causing me to misplace myself by hitting on married women (theoretically if I knew how to hit on women that is) and these women in turn feel great that some young buck is hitting on them and little does the dude know that under the fall is a full head of graying hair. Falls are like the hair club for men in a way, they mask the truth. I am not only the president I am also a client. Falls are interesting because they create bridges of commonness between the frum and modern worlds.

There of course are still the traditional feminist battle grounds where the debate of hair covering centers around demeaning women and not letting them get called up to the torah- I am sure this is one of the main topics discussed at JOFA(jewish orthodox feminist alliance) events. Of course these are usually the same folks that drive to shull on shabbos and fail to keep kosher out of the house. Places like the upper west side where hair covering is viewed as weird in many circles as is dressing tznius have kept up their walls against the rapidly closing in frummies that surround them.

Of course for some reason these same women that are so anti hair covering would be caught dead without wearing a piece of wedding cake doily on their heads while chatting it up in the women’s sections of many MO shulls. Some women even go as far as to don a yarmulke to offer their respects to the shull. These are the ultra orthodox reform types. The women who for some reason believe its disrespectful to enter a holy place without some on their heads. Of course they may be wearing a skimpy cocktail dress to go with the doily.

A friend of mine owns a hot pink wig and wears it to simchas and events all the time. It seems like not enough women have fun with the whole head covering scheme- they dread it and then they just live with it without realizing the potential fun they could have. Kind of like men who experiment with beards and mustaches. I of course am still not able to grow much more then one of those middle adolescent Lubavitch wispy beards- but if I could I would grow a huge goatee like that dude from Anthrax. I would also want to have those sideburn chops and maybe one of those wild west mustaches that roll up on the ends. Women ought to do the same thing, maybe a dread locked sheitle or some color. How about cool hats rather then lampshades and classic frummy hats. I know in the summer many frummy girls can be seen with over sized and over priced velvet baseball caps. How about sombreros or doorags, maybe even the whole gansta look with the towel under the baseball cap.

It seems like the possibilities are endless yet women just throw on their dead animal sheitles and boring snoods. Even the turban crowd could improve, maybe they can start purchasing turbans from the Pakistani cab associations to make a new look or something?

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Anonymous January 7, 2008 at 5:47 PM

hello

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Deborah Shaya January 7, 2008 at 5:48 PM

I am writing to raise a simple and very important question:

Where is the codified Halacha that a married woman must cover all her hair, all the time, whenever she steps out of her house, whether it is summer or winter?

There is no codified Halacha that a married woman must cover her hair totally and constantly whenever she steps out of her house.

The halachah has been totally misinterpreted, and in fact, relates ONLY to a married woman covering her hair when she lights the candles to welcome in Shabbat and Yom Tov – lechavod Shabbat ve Yom Tov.

Therefore, for religious men/women to impose hair coverings on other women, whenever they step out of their houses is against the Torah. This misinterpretation of the Torah is completely ASSUR, and a twisting of the Torah.

In ancient times, a woman would only cover her hair upon entering the Beit Hamikdash. Similarly for the Sotah – otherwise she would not cover her hair ordinarily, day to day.

If a Rebbetzin is reading this, I bet you don’t like covering your hair, especially not in the hot sunshine.

I could quote exactly the same arguments back to the Rabbis and Rebbetzins, and all those who blindly follow them like sheep, as to why men should cover their hair – FULLY, upon marriage – a man would look completely ‘modest’ keeping himself ‘pure’ from the looks of other single women. His wife would no longer be worried about other single women, and could breathe a sigh of relief, as her husband would be completely covered up!

It is very important for people to know and realise that when a married woman covers her hair with ‘real hair’ the woman is covering herself with 100%Tumah. This is against the Torah.

She can never fully be sure that this ‘hair’ has not come from meitim – despite any guarantee by the seller.

This ‘real hair’ is doubly and in some circumstances, triply Tumah. Firstly, it will contain the leftover dead hair cells from another person – however much it has been treated, the tumah is still there.

Secondly, this other person (likely to be a non-Jew who most likely was involved in some kind of Avodah Zarah) may have eaten bacon, ham, lobster etc, all of which are totally forbidden as unclean and non-kosher foods in Halacha.

Thirdly, if the woman happens to be the wife of a Cohen, then she is bringing her husband into close contact and proximity with meitim and Tumah Every day, and throughout their married life – clearly strictly against the Torah.

Don’t the Rabbis and Rebbetzins feel ill at the realisation of what they are making other Jewish women endure?
Men have degraded women in order to suit their own sexual desires and needs. Some men actually prefer to see their wives in wigs because they look more sexually attractive to them than their real hair.

There is nothing more degrading and demeaning to a woman than to make her cover her hair upon marriage. Frankly it is an abhorrent practice. By quoting feeble arguments like ‘Tzniut’ – ‘Modesty’ not backed up by clear Halacha, the Rabbis and Rebbetzins are making a complete mockery of the Torah, and all the good values that they stand for.

It is extremely unhealthy and unhygienic for a woman to cover her hair constantly. The hair needs oxygen to breathe.

In addition, hair covering is a form of oppression to women by men, and doing so, can undoubtedly cause a certain type of depression in women, once their hair is covered so permanently for life.

A woman’s hair will lose its natural beauty and shine, she may have scalp problems, some of her hair may fall out, she may get headaches, and she may end up cutting it short like a man, when she always wore it long, in order not to have too much discomfort from her hair covering.

Do you think that HaKadosh Baruch Hu commanded this of women? I can assure you that He did not.
The commmandments are not meant to cause so much repression and oppression in women.

The Goyim also look at us in disgust when they know that Jewish women cover their hair and wear wigs. They think that we are going against all the light and the beautiful principles that we, Am Yisrael, brought into the world.

And therefore, for a woman to start doing this nonsensical act of covering her hair, all the time, in all seasons and temperatures, is against the Torah, and is also a form of Chillul Hashem. Exactly the opposite of all the arguments put forward for this unnecessary sacrifice. For a married woman to cover her hair is a Chillul Hashem, and is in no way, a Kiddush Hashem.

It is also against all common sense, apart from anything else, otherwise why would Hashem have created women with hair on their heads in the first place?

Please think about all that I have said above. As there is no halahah for a married woman to constantly cover her hair once she steps out of her house, the women reading this should have the intelligence and moral strength of character to join together and remove their hair coverings.

It is totally wrong for any married woman to be covering her hair constantly, ( e.g especially in the hot summer), when she steps out of her house. This is a misrepresentation and twisting of the Torah.

For a woman to cover her hair with real hair is to cover herself with complete Tumah, and also against the Torah. If she happens to be the wife of a Cohen, then she is bringing her husband into close contact and proximity with meitim and Tumah every day – clearly strictly against the Torah.

I would be grateful to hear from other readers.

Yours Sincerely,

Deborah Shaya,
London, England.

Tel: 0208-203-0134.

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LG January 7, 2008 at 5:50 PM

What you wrote is totally uncalled for you have no idea what you are saying. Next time you want to bash girls in israel, women who cover their hair, and chassidishe woman who shave their hair, do more research and find out the reasons behind all that these groups of women do! You don’t know enough halacha apparently and the difference bet tznius and erva and you don’t know anything about chassidim and you obviously are a very very close minded person and i pity you. You also just made a HUGE chillul Hashem writing the things u just wrote and i am very dissapointed to consider you a fellow jew!

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Hesh January 7, 2008 at 5:52 PM

To the first commenter, I have no where to begin but I am sure someone will take you to task- fear not someone will respond.

To the second person- WTF- I am just horsing around- you people seem to take things way too seriously. Lighten up dude!!!

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Jewish Blogmeister January 7, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Although what you said may be in some form of jest you have to agree it is a bit crude.

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Anonymous January 7, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Falls usually look horrendous, though.

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what's his name January 7, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Who gave you the right to have an opinion different than mine? What makes you think you can express any idea you want on your own blog? And where do you come off being negative of anyone? I would never do that!

to Miss-here’s-my-phone-number: go write a book or something
to LG: grow a brain cell or two and try to connect them

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Mrs. P January 7, 2008 at 8:26 PM

I happen to love snoods, since my husband knows whats underneath who gives two shits what everyone else sees. I think that married women and men who overly concerned with how their hair looks to others are the types that tend to cheat on their spouses.

As for those who were offended, I understand how new readers of Hesh’s stuff can get offended, but to anyone who has been around for 6-months plus- this is nothing, he has way more crude stuff on here, it comes with the territory.

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cochava January 7, 2008 at 10:11 PM

“Places like the upper west side where hair covering is viewed as weird in many circles as is dressing tznius have kept up their walls against the rapidly closing in frummies that surround them.”

These places no longer exist on the UWS.

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Nemo January 8, 2008 at 12:43 AM

Debora Shaya- “If she happens to be the wife of a Cohen, then she is bringing her husband into close contact and proximity with meitim and Tumah every day – clearly strictly against the Torah.”

With all due respect, this is absolutely WRONG:

1. Hair cannot contain Tumah- its not a vessel.

2. Hair doesn’t have the Halachik status of life and therefore it’s dead cells cannot “die.”

3. Even if it could contain Tumah (see #1), it would only become Tamei if it was attached or removed from a dead body. Most wigs are made from hair that is cut from LIVE women who grow their hair for the purpose of selling it.

4. In any event, non-Jewish bodies are not Tamei Meit.

5. “Tamei” animals are Tamei from eating, not touching.

I’m not well versed in the laws of head-covering, but judging from your misinformation above, the rest of your argument sounds specious.

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tiuny 86 January 8, 2008 at 1:12 AM

All this talk about Sheitels is really turning me on! Keep going!

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Superraizy January 8, 2008 at 2:29 AM

Instead of making women cover their hair so that men won’t be “tempted”, why don’t we just make men wear blindfolds?

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AF January 8, 2008 at 7:38 AM

Deborah Shaya,

Go talk to an orthodox rabbi or read a book on tznius. This is not the place (wadr) to discuss halachic issues in detail. A few comments though:

1. Even if it is not strict halachah, a minchog followed by klal Isroel gets status of halachah. I know, the idea of a minchog is kfirah in MO community (unless you count things they actually invented, like knee-deep mechitzah or Hallel on certain Israeli holidays), but c’est la vie — a minchog is as much a part of Judaism as kvetching about how hard it is for us to serve Hashem. E.g., wearing a kippah is nowadays an issue of tznius for men, since frum Jews en masse do it and, lehavdil, goyim do not.

2. I especially like counterarguments that have to do with a) goyim, b) summer heat, c) how supposedly degrading it is for someone to keep halachah. I mean, your soul waited for only a 1000 years to come down here to do such trifle as G-d’s Will (which is incidentally the whole purpose of this world’s existence), but obviously we first need to check with goyim, our personal feelings (inspired by shtus foreign to yiddishkeit), and then to make sure that Hashem did not offend us by not honoring our feelings of self-worth. Oh, and make sure we are comfortable.

The whole philosophy of “how does it make me feel” is unbelievable. Bitul is apparently another kfirah in modern world. And statement “truth is not sentimental” no longer applies.

Again, reg. actual halachah, seek appropriate sources, if you really care about this. There are plenty of books on tznius, citing appropriate sources in Halachah.

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AF January 8, 2008 at 7:42 AM

Also: once and for all, people, the whole point of tznius is not to prevent men from being tempted. It’s about concealment of that which is private. “Private” does not equal “tempting”, “disgusting” or whatever else interpretation Christians and Muslims may have given to it. For example, talking about personal matters in public, or asking other people about them is not tzniustic, even though it may be neither tempting nor disgusting.

It’s sort of like that story of an Englishman (pre-20th century) who was on a deserted island for 10 years and shaved each morning. He wasn’t doing it for other people, he was doing it for himself. (Maybe a moshul using shaving is something MO can connect with.)

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what's his name January 8, 2008 at 8:14 AM

Dear AF.
I am an MO Jew. I say hallel on certain Israeli holidays and if I ever came in contact with a knee deep mechitzah i’d be all for it (too bad I have absolutly no idea what you’re talking about there).
But…. I’m just curious. What the heck is a Minchog? At first I thought it was just a typo. But you made the same typo three times. It’s a minhag or minhog (for the chinyuks out there). But there is no such thing as a minchog. Gosh whats up with that?

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AF January 8, 2008 at 8:37 AM

WTN: It’s a new way of spelling I just invented. A new minhag that I am starting, just ’cause I felt like it — from time to time I like to liberate myself from the clutches of tradition. Anybody (of either gender) is welcome to join.

To Deborah Shaya: So, I actually typed “covering hair Shulchan Aruch” in Google, and I got this article as the first search result: http://www.hamakor.org/ishus/cover.htm (It lists sources from Tanach, Gemoro, rishoinim, S”A, achroinim and even “Journal of Contemporary Halachic Issues” or something like that.) I hope this helps in your quest for sources in codified halachah. My urge to consult proper sources still stands, however.

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Ari January 8, 2008 at 4:21 PM

To the newbies: chill. This is satire. There is always a kernel of truth in satire. Looks like it’s touched a nerve.

Listen, no one is going to argue that covering one’s hair is praiseworthy, and that it is a minhag m’drabunun that can be construed as halacha, but there is a slippery slope between halacha and hidur.

Consider how the following has become “halacha”:

- separate milchig and flayshig ovens
- shlugging kaporas with chickens
- socially mandatory kollel
- gemara is more important than tanach
- white shirts are mandatory on shabbos
- shmita work-arounds are assur
- nissim requiring hallel don’t happen anymore

And the list goes on. But are job on this venerable blog is to make fun of ourselves, laugh a little.

Carry on.

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Nemo January 8, 2008 at 4:35 PM

“- separate milchig and flayshig ovens”

I assume you mean fridges or counters which aren’t Halacha, because seperate ovens most definitely are.

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Anonymous January 8, 2008 at 6:30 PM

This really isn’t the forum for halachic debate, and I fear a stampede to the lobby should we get into a protracted discussion.

But, if you insist:

Do you think our grandparents in Europe or elsewhere had two ovens? No, they did not. Is it an affordable convenience today? Yes. Is it a necessity? No, especially in urban or inexpensive kitchens.

Many hold that ovens can be used for both meat and dairy, but that care must be taken to cover the food, and to not splatter / spill.

Some authorities hold that an oven may be used for meat and dairy consecutively, though not simultaneously. After using the oven for meat, change the racks.

Some opinions require that the oven be turned to its highest temperature for an hour (libun kal) between dairy and meat.

So, there you go. A convenience becomes minhag, and a minhag becomes halacha. That’s how the avian flu made the jump to humans . . . and our chumros are equally contagious and sometimes dangerous for people with weak immune systems.

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Ari January 8, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Forgot to sign my name — that little gem on oven kashrus was from me, Ari.

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heimish in bp January 8, 2008 at 6:56 PM

“I am confident that no one reading this blog will ever venture down below in the underground world of Hasidic pubic hair customs”

Hesh, you way underestimated your viewing audiance. I think more Yoily’s in williamsburgh and monroe read your blog then all of your MO buddies.

And they have no choice but to venture down there.

We do wonder, how do you have such a keen insight into the Heimish oilim, when you didnt grow up with it or gone to such Yeshivas?

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Frum Satire January 8, 2008 at 7:08 PM

Wow bring in da ruckus, I am glad you all could take your gloves off and go at it, I just hope there was some laughter along the way.

To Nemo and AF great comments and to Ari- thank you for keeping it fun.

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yl January 8, 2008 at 9:47 PM

I was @ a party in a small banquet hall atop Rockland Kosher in Monsey. In addition to the catering hall there are a few stores. Amongst them are a linen store, health foods/vitamins/ and womens dry goods type shop. On the window the sign says. ” we put seams on tights while you wait”

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Zev January 8, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Does anyone know what “duty-length” is?

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Lady-Light January 8, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Oh, gawd, and I thought that my post (Hijab) was controversial.
These comments are terrific; I agree with all of ‘em (just playing it safe.).
Actually, (drumroll: My Story) when I first began to cover my hair many snows ago (actually it didn’t snow so much in Yerush.), I began with the keffiyah-type headcovering: the Israeli/Arab mitpachat folded in a triangle shape, and twisted & rolled, well-I’m not gonna give the secret method away here, of all places(!). I liked it, ’cause I was never a hat person, nor did I wear pe’ot (sheitels), until I returned to the good ole’ US of A, where I moved into a Hareidi community. Well, actually it wasn’t: it was a rich secular Jewish community where the (mainly poor, b/c they were all teachers) frummies were mainly Hareidi. There, because “everybody did it,” (yes, I’m guilty as all get-out) I began wearing sheitels, because when I wore a keffiyah I looked like a cleaning lady: it was just not socially accepted here. Nor were wearing flip-flops to shul, or stocking-less legs, or–you get the idea.
But I’ve become really brazen these past few years: I changed my sheitel color; I always liked blonde hair, and many years ago on Purim, a Rabbi friend of mine (who was also the Prinicipal of the school where I was teaching) said, upon seeing me in my blonde sheiteled Purim costume, said I looked good as a blonde (yes, he said that.) That’s all I needed: a heter (ok, haskamah) from a Rav – my sheitels are now all blonde! I changed, slowly (first a little lighter brown, then a somewhat even lighter brown, then blondish brown, then brownish blonde, then. . . )until PRESTO: I am a dumb blonde. So don’t say that ‘nobody has fun while covering their hair.’ That just isn’t true.

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Nemo January 9, 2008 at 12:47 AM

Ari, you’re right, this blog is satire, but when people like Deborah Shaya come preaching falsehoods spurred by the satire, the discussion shifts beyond the original scope of the blog. I can appreciate the warped humor over here, but when fundamentalists like Deborah speak, its just too luring to correct their mistaken views.

And then you brought up your point, which I thought was well-recieved, save for a minor point that brought up…

I think that you’re inverting the oven issue. Having two ovens is not merely a convenience, it’s practically a necessity. IF it’s in fact true that my grandparents in Europe were using one oven for meat and milk, that was a leniency done for their convenience, because it was impossible for them to keep what should be the bare minimum- two ovens.

Two ovens are necessary because of a threefold Kashrus problem (contact, aroma and steam) if a single oven were used. To completely avoid those problems would necessitate thoroughly cleaning and Kashering the oven between every milk or meat use. In fact, in might even have been the biggest inconvenience to have a single oven because of splattered grease and the fact that koshering would require Libun Kal. If we may speculate, I’m sure that if it was economically feasible to have two ovens to avoid the problem, that would have been required. But, the Rabbis do take into account people’s general prosperity or lack thereof, such as with Treiboring the hindquarters of an animals in Israel.

Maybe, maybe, you may say that with today’s self-cleaning ovens that someone need not have separate ovens because Kashering doesn’t require much effort. I certainly don’t think anyone’s going to recommend it…

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anonymous January 9, 2008 at 1:35 AM

How about Glatt kosher? Thats also a chumra that became Halacha!! People take things way to far! I asked a rabbi about Eating hebrew national he said “you can wear shoes that are too small, they will keep your feat dry and get you from place to place when you cant find your size” But who buys shoes that are too small?

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sarah (b.) January 9, 2008 at 2:53 AM

comments like the ones on this thread are why I value this blog so much. As one who’s becoming more observant, these comments help steer my web searches and are full of words that are new to me. humor + launch pad = great stuff. Thanks, folks.

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jennthejewess January 9, 2008 at 6:26 PM

“Duty length” usually refers to the length of a skirt that resembles that of women on “duty” in the army (I gueess from like WWII days when they wore skirts-). The length is like mid-calf. Not ankle and not right below or above the knee. There is prob some “official” length like 3 or five inches below the knee but I dont know the details.

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ProfK January 9, 2008 at 8:19 PM

In the spirit of you can dish it out but can you take it, one might also comment on the headwear of men, some of which defies understanding. Hats so large as to lead one to believe that a UFO has landed on the wearer’s head unbeknownst to the wearer. Brims so wide as to qualify as frisbees. And those tall crowns? Do the wearers truly believe that anyone will believe that they are 6 feet tall–what they put on their shidduch questionnaires–just because their crown is 8 inches high? Hats that completely cover the head hiding….baldness perhaps? Kipot strategically placed to hide that same baldness? Velvet kipot of unrelieved black–surely some enterprising soul can find a better color to make the statement of “Hey look at me, I’m frummie enough to support for ever!” Maybe green, like the color of money. That’s it, we need a color coding system: green for the boys who are looking for support, pink for the boys not yet in shidduchim, yellow for the boys that are still in yeshiva and are too chicken to say that they don’t want to be any more, red for the newly marrieds in their first year who blush so rosily whenever you ask them “How’s married life?” and let’s leave black for those men who are married but still keep looking, just to match their black hearts.

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heshman January 9, 2008 at 8:36 PM

Thank you fro your hilarity ProfK- and I am sure you can add to this post as well

http://frumsatire.net/2007/12/06/hat-guide-of-the-frum-community/

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Avi January 9, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Sad attempt at humor. In very poor taste.
You suck, get a job.

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LAUGHOUTLOUDATUONUTUBE January 10, 2008 at 2:19 AM

Chasidish women do not smell. Actually, they take very good care of themselves and their children. Look again. The smell reference is more often used about Chasidish men and it too is a really stupid stereotype. The rest is mostly really stupid true stuff. You speak of do-rags as if that isn’t being worn every day by Tzniusdik Hottie Channie Wannabes like myself. I’m not going to look like a slut, but I will wear my purple/red/khaki…bandanna to prove I still have my groove (and I do). And to the Devorah Shaya or whatever your name is woman, please get educated. You’re leaking ignorance all over this clean, spiffy blog. If you’re gonna argue against the head covering, do it right. Talk to a couple of JOFA people.

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Yochanan January 10, 2008 at 3:43 AM

Deborah Shaya,

I was interesting to read your insights (whether they’re right or wrong) about how a married woman covering her hair isn’t explicit halacha. But, I think you completely lost is by saying that it’s assur.

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FRANK January 10, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Forget about head coverings. I can almost pinpoint a womens hashkafa by her shoes. How bout an analysis of that!

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Frum Satire January 10, 2008 at 3:34 PM

If I knew anything about shoes besides the fact that they get me from point A to Point B without giving me foot calus- I could probably do it.

Though I may in fact be able to do it, we will see. Email me any ideas you have

frumsatire@gmail.com

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Ari January 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM

ProfK – priceless!

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Mindy January 13, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Can I make one comment? Humor and sarcasm aside, Jews have always prided ourselves on our higher level of spirituality. I am not saying a thing about the post itself concerning heair conveirng0 I understand it is made in jest and have no problem with it once that is understood. What I DO take issue with is the blatant lack of tznius in some of the lines of the post- and I need not specify them. There are certain lines that should not be crossed, and they definitely were crossed in this and some other posts on this blog.

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frumhouse January 15, 2008 at 12:53 AM

Anyone who is so delicate as to be offended by lines being crossed not only on this particular post but on other posts on this blog should…drum roll please…STOP READING THIS BLOG! (sorry, Hesh, not trying to drive people away!) After all – it is called Frum Satire for a reason.

Even though I myself am “guilty” of wearing several of the types of haircoverings you specified, I laughed all the way through this post!

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Mindy January 18, 2008 at 4:09 AM

I don’t consider myself delicate, however, I do believe that there are certain standards we have to upkeep, and if you want to say something, at least put it-well- delicately…

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Michael January 24, 2008 at 9:02 PM

shlugging kaporas with chickens

Which was quite controversial in its day. I am Sephardic and marvel at how fervently this minhag is practiced in our communities, even by rabbis who will tell you that Maran Yosef Caro, who is pretty much our ultimate authority on halacha, described the shlugging of poultry in five words: “Minhag kapparot – minhag shtoot hee.” (The custom of kapparot is a foolish custom.)

Nemo: your grandparents in Europe may not have even had their own oven; many people, especially in crowded areas, used communal ovens. But fleishig and milchig didn’t matter because of how the ovens worked.

Today’s oven, you turn a switch, and the gas or electricity comes on, heats to 450 degrees and holds it there. Your grandparents kindled wood in their ovens, and the wood heated up to maybe 800, 900 degrees – then, after the oven cooled down to 450 or so, the ashes from the wood were raked out, the food was placed inside, and the oven closed so that the heat retained in the walls would still radiate and cook the food.

That’s why in the old country, all the balabustas took their little pots of cholent (ever see pictures? those pots were tiny by today’s crock-pot standards) to the village bakery, to be sealed inside the bakery oven until after davening Shabbos morning. The balabusta didn’t have her own oven for this, the bakery oven retained enough heat for a long enough period of time that the cholent would still be hot, and the act of firing the oven afterward would heat the oven to a much hotter temperature than that actually used for cooking – thereby kashering it.

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heshman January 25, 2008 at 1:52 AM

Thank you for these great comments man, glad to have you aboard.

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Nemo January 26, 2008 at 11:47 PM

“Maran Yosef Caro, who is pretty much our ultimate authority on halacha”

You mean Maran Yosef Caro, bested only by Rav Moshe Isserles?

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hey, michael, January 29, 2008 at 5:37 PM

b ssbftuk?

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hey, hesh, January 30, 2008 at 1:37 AM

if you want to learn about shoes, here’s a good excuse to visit boston: http://www.mfa.org/exhibitions/sub.asp?key=15&subkey=4168

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heshman January 30, 2008 at 1:49 AM

Thanks for the link dude

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