This girl commented under the name Disgusted- she sounds like Eds daughter, although I think that our dear friend ed would be ashamed of this girls grammar and spelling as he used to rag on me a lot before he got to know me better. I also think this girl sounds kind of stupid, sheltered and of all things NEW TO THE BLOG WORLD. After all she must not have been to Anarchist Rabbi and Leah Kleim and a bunch of other sites that trump me in her allegations. I am merely a funny guy trying to make the office day go by quicker. I do hope Disgusted does hang around for the ride, because I do have some great posts in my head concerning the recent bans.
Now I present to you the comments, I will respond to some of them in the comment box to keep the discussion going. I expect everyone to bust out their opinions on this one, because I know they are vast.
In response to the crazy charedi bans article of recent note:
I am in complete and utter shock right now after going through this website. I am a 17 year old teenage girl who is fffaaarrr from perfect and I literally cant believe what I am reading. You talk about the gedolim of our times so carelessly and with such disrespect. You voice yur opinion on things you do not understand and you are using your simple immaturity of these matters as a suitable explanation why it is ok to mock these issues.
We have the whle world fighting against us; the Jews, trying to kill us and stray us from the path and you take the time to make a website and support it, a website which goes against the basis of Judaism, mocking your own religion, mocking your own people and in theory mocking yourselves. I hate to break it to you but the whole world does not care what you think about some chumras or different points of Judaism. You broadcast your racist yes racist! opinions on the internet where people have unlimited access of it. You are performing the biggest chilul Hashem I have ever come across and I mean that! Read the posts, some from balei teshuvas who are having doubts, come from regular frum people who are being drawn in by your malicious writings.
You know what they say: every person will have to account for their every action one day and you will too! Whether it is to explain what prompted you to create this and make people doubt their faith and believe or whether to explain what made you the person to correct the gedolim of your generation! Maybe you should think about this…
And yes it does make people doubt becuase when I started reading I kept reading and that is a bad sign! I should not have to read such things and nobody else should. Ok so you have the right of free speech; you can talk all you can when you are confronted about this enormous chilul hashem one day!
In response to shweky being banned:
not a funny article at all! and it d0esnt depend on your humour! You have to be perverted and sick to appreciate this! are you forgetting who you are talking about? huge torah giants! whats wrong with you?
In response to my thoughts in shull in Tisha B’av:
you just keep surprising me with your complete insensitivity to everything you stand for as a Jew! Yea lets mock the Rabbi and the congregants at shul on the day when the temple was destroyed FOR THAT EXACT REASON!!! bit ironic really…i just dont get how this is humoour? Its inappropriate and a complete chilul hashem!
Oh really?? Everyone is entitled to their opinion..agreed!! but to broadcast it around if it is extremely controversial! Well then can you please explain why it is a crime EVERYWHERE to be openely anti semitic! If you are verbally abused by someone claiming that you are a ‘dirty jew’ or anything like that you can ensure the persecutor gets prosecuted. And for them thats humour! So explain the difference! Funny isnt it mocking the people of our Religion and making it into some sort of sport! THats not humour thats outright and blatant prejudice displayed to your own people! And thats my opinion
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Hesh that girl has gone crazy, love what you do
Hey hesh I think I have to agree with her, we are all sick and perverted, because I emailed that article to a bunch of folks including my mother and we found it hilarious. Keep on trucking man.
I think the reason why shes so mad is because seventeen year olds don’t know that using bottles for certain acts creates a suction and that kedem bottle is stuck firmly up there. You need a drill girl and while your at it, watch some south park or something- hesh is nothing compared to that stuff- no offense man.
First of all these issues are just plain stupid. First of all based on the fact that EVERYONE including many charedim went to the concert anyway means that their own followers disrepsected them in a public matter. Far worse then some lowly frum blogger catering to a bunch of office workers.
I do take issue with the fact that Gedolim just like humans are corruptible, I understand your pain as a young 17 year old girl being brainwashed by her bais yaakov teachers to think that whatever a man with a big hat and white beard says is fine- well its not. In fact I think there needs to be some sort of system of checks and balances in place to make sure they do not abuse their power and step on the underlings who seem to listen no matter what.
I am not ultra orthodox as they call it, but it pains me that the ultra orthodox world is doing the oppisite of what they are empowered to do. They have the power to bring Jews in to the fold, with a huge intermarriage rate that should be their focus. Instead they choose to make stupid chumras- that eventually become law and ban ridiculous things for what???
To show how frum they can be, or are they trying to keep Jews from becoming religious. They are like their own little skull and bones club- trying to weed out all those who cannot live up to their expectations. It pains me because the very people I look up to and yes I have Rebbe pictures in my house. Those people have betrayed me with stupidity that alienates me and everyone else who has no idea why they are focusing on such extremities. Things that do not solve any problems, if anything they make our troubles worse.
You also have the nerve to say that I am anti-Semitic and Racist of which neither is true. Almost every comedian uses race and ethnicity to their advantage by poking fun at their own. My jokes about blacks and gays, while prejudiced were definitely NOT racist or anti-Gay by any means.
Even if they were, anti-semitism and open racism is protected under the constitution. It is fine to have a public neo-nazi rally as long as no violence occurs. I have no idea where you heard that anti-semitic remarks were not protected under freedom of speech.
“I hate to break it to you but the whole world does not care what you think about some chumras or different points of Judaism”
What am I CNN or something? They definitely dont care, I never said they did, but fortunately for other Jews who DO question their leaders- they have web user generated content rather then crazy right wing propaganda like mishpacha and Hamodia.
Bloggers have done wonders for the Rabbis who now actually admit if they covered up a sex abuse scandal. But I guess if they are a rabbi its ok right?
What a fraud…
Ed, see what happens when you send your kid to a charidei school?
She needs remedial classes in English.
I’ve only just started following this site, but…whaaaa?!
I’m pretty sure that the Bais Hamikdash didn’t get destroyed because good, shomer mitzvos yidn were cracking wise a little about some of the mishugas being tossed around by the chnyukiest of chnyuckisher chnyuks. Next someone will tell me we’re in golus because we’ve been eating strawberries all this time!
You crack me up! You write great stuff, and it’s exactly what’s needed in the Jewish world! Don’t let anyone say different.
This girl is ridiculous.
I wouldn’t take her seriously, at least not while she’s just some naive little Beis Yakov girl, probably.
She obviously lives in a bubble or under a rock!
lol, this must be like another lonelygirl incident.
DISGUSTED:
Some comments on your comments. Let’s get the easy one out the way first.
“I am a 17 year old teenage girl who is fffaaarrr from perfect”
No kidding. Didn’t you know that the internet is assur and the blogosphere in particular has been identified as a threat to Torah Judaism? Who gave you a heter to expose yourself to the perils of the internet in general and to Hesh’s rantings in specific? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your bittul zeman is limited to his blog alone.
“You are performing the biggest chilul Hashem I have ever come across”
I’m not going to lie and write that Hesh is a kiddush hashem (sorry Hesh), but to state that he is the biggest chilul Hashem? Not one of the biggest, but the biggest? I hate to break it to you, but there are rabbis out there sexually abusing little boys (and other rabbis covering up these rabbis), drug dealers in the back of the Bobover beis midrash (don’t know if this still exists), payis in strip clubs, haredim in Jerusalem and Ramat Bet Shemesh acting like Palestinian terrorists (literally), people learning daf yomi in prison and hassidim serving kugel on the NYS Thruway. Ok, personally I don’t care about the last point, though people have gotten worked up about it. But you get the point.
“to be openely anti semitic”
I agree that there are Jewish blogs out there that are truly anti-Semitic. I’ve discussed this phenomenon on my own blog a while ago and more recently on REBELWITHACAUSE. But I really don’t see any anti-Semitism in Hesh. Where is the hatred? I see some jocular irreverence, but this is not hatred. Where are the lies, fabrications and twisted truths? And where are the calls to bring down Orthodoxy?
I also think you don’t appreciate the role of humor in life. It affords people an opportunity to step back (not away), take a breath and continue. You are worried about Hesh leading people off the derech (not talking mountain biking here of course), but I think he lets some people laugh at a situation they may be trying to deal with.
“You talk about the gedolim of our times so carelessly and with such disrespect.”
Have you ever heard what some of the gedolim have said about other frum Jews (to say nothing of course about non-frum Jews)? Rav Shach and, yibadel le-hayyim, Hakham Ovadiah Yosef, for example, are not exactly known for being tight lipped when it comes to those whom they did not like. Personally I think some gedolim could be better examples of ben adam la-chavero. Or to put it differently, don’t dish it out unless you can take it. Also, I could be wrong, but I don’t think Hesh makes it a habit to go after specific gedolim.
Oh come on, she is a newby and already she gets a full on post!! LOL!!
You rock Hesh, this braud is waaaay overloaded with Bais Yaakov BS!! Keep it up! Oh, and I think shes British too (cuz she spells humor with an “ou”, like-humour.) Either that or she is Canadian!!!
that last comment was mine.
ok, not the last one, but the one before that (4:28)
Me? I am so disgusted! I am with the babe!
yeah, i’m gonna, like soooooooo fucking fight for Judaism? i’m gonna spend the day with my fucking parents and teach them, like about maturity? like, last Passover, i taught them about anti-Semitism… As a protest, I dressed like a Nazi and screamed that Nazis paid Jews better allowance than what they are giving me.
On Yum Kippa I am gonna teach my parents about Torah Giants. I like them because Giants have giant… you know.
And yes your blog is perverted becuase when I started reading I kept touching myself and that is a bad sign!
Hesh:
maybe she likes you and this is the only way she knows to get your attention?
I am definitely down with some more stalker girls, if only she were legal?
The person who wrote this sounds like a few things. One of those folks that still thinks the Iraq qar is good for Iraqis.
A junior member of the ACLU that wishes to prohibit all non politically correct speech.
A wannabe gadol who has the whole set of Rebbe cards, and doesnt want their value to go down.
Someone should tell this girl to get Hanoch Teller’s book out of her ass. She is pretty much like the rest of the sheltered kind that boro park is filled with, memorizes everything her teacher tells her without questioning and now thinks she has the authority and capacity to give mussar to other folks, even to those older and wiser.
kill the pig, eh??
wow fh, you’ve gathered up your own following of lemmings..
this is what kills me about those who feel theyve been badly treated and abused and opressed.. the minute they find a forum to become the attacker, they jump at the chance..
personally, whether i agree with her or not, i honestly dont see what she siad that is so shocking or deserving of this 3rd grade gang up?
so she holds opinions different from you, so she actually beleives in the torah and what it says about its leaders and its commandements. so she went to bais yaakov and agrees with what she’s been taught, how is that deserving of the insults and attacks? no one is forcing you guys to beleive anything.. if you guys really so strongly disagree with this way of life and these beliefs and feel oppressed by a system, GO OUT and do somethinig about it OR leave it, dont hide behind your computers and lash out at some anonymous commenter who actually sincerely believes and lives according to her beliefs..
anonym00kie // Aug 14, 2007 at 2:03 pm
kill the pig, eh??
wow fh, you’ve gathered up your own following of lemmings..
What can I say ? I love it. You have managed to insult all the commentators in one blow. Heard about the foot and mouth disease? This is definitely a sign of foot in the mouth disease.
anonym00kie // Aug 14, 2007 at 2:03 pm
personally, whether i agree with her or not, i honestly dont see what she siad that is so shocking or deserving of this 3rd grade gang up? so she holds opinions different from you, so she actually beleives
The words you are looking for are “said”, “believes”. I am not sure if people who commented on here are acting like a 3rd grader, but you definitely spell like a 3rd grader.
anonym00kie // Aug 14, 2007 at 2:03 pm
if you guys really so strongly disagree with this way of life and these beliefs and feel oppressed by a system, GO OUT and do somethinig about it OR leave it, dont hide behind your computers and lash out at some anonymous commenter who actually sincerely believes and lives according to her beliefs..
Puh-lease…. Aren’t you hiding behind your computer yourself when you make such a funny accusations towards all commentators?
LOL!
Actually, my daughter is fffaaarrr younger than 17 years old, but I am definitely raising her according to the Torah-True hashkofos expressed by “Disgusted”. Right on, Rebbetzin Disgusted. Keep on knocking these Leitzanim and show them that we won’t tolerate such mockery of our holy sages!!
>Hesh that girl has gone crazy, love what you do
Just wonderin’. Do all bums high on drugs think that the rest of the normal world is crazy? Just askin’.
>Hey hesh I think I have to agree with her, we are all sick and perverted…
That’s a monstrous understatement.
>First of all these issues are just plain stupid.
For stupid people, they are indeed stupid. They weren’t intended for 25 year olds with the intellect of 2 year olds.
>First of all based on the fact that EVERYONE including many charedim went to the concert anyway means that their own followers disrepsected them in a public matter.
Very stupid. Out of the 15,000 who attended, by the time you discount the Chilonim, MO’s and blogger bums who anyways don’t listen to Daas Torah, you’re left with a handful of Bochrim who attended. How many Bnei Brak kollel guys attended? Eh?
>Far worse then some lowly frum blogger catering to a bunch of office workers.
At least you’re honest.
>I do take issue with the fact that Gedolim just like humans are corruptible,
You mean you take issue that corrupted minds have the right to shout to the world their corrupted rants. Gotcha.
>I understand your pain as a young 17 year old girl being brainwashed by her bais yaakov teachers to think that whatever a man with a big hat and white beard says is fine- well its not.
That like saying that all frames sitting on two wheels are the same. Is that correct Mr Pro Biker?
>In fact I think there needs to be some sort of system of checks and balances in place to make sure they do not abuse their power and step on the underlings who seem to listen no matter what.
And whose the right guy to do that? Mr Tight-Pants-White-Hoe-Oggler.
Get a life, dude. Toss your computer out, and go on a around the world biking tour. That ought to keep you occupied for a while and keep you outta trouble.
“You are performing the biggest chilul Hashem I have ever come across and I mean that!” I can show her some J-bloggs that would push her over the edge. If this is the most offensive thing she has ever come across she needs to get out more often. Keep blogging, it gives the rest of us something to lighten up the day at work. Better to laugh at all this nonsense than to cry about the sad state of ultra-orthodoxy.
>I am not ultra orthodox as they call it,
Yup, ultra underdox is more what you are.
>but it pains me that the ultra orthodox world is doing the oppisite of what they are empowered to do.
How about just mindin’ your own business?
>They have the power to bring Jews in to the fold, with a huge intermarriage rate that should be their focus.
And they do. Lev L’achim, Arachim, Aish Hatorah, Ohr Sameach to name a few….
>Instead they choose to make stupid chumras- that eventually become law and ban ridiculous things for what???
Not for underdoxes like you. You folks can calmly go to the concerts etc.
>To show how frum they can be,
To make all jews frum, as per the direction given to us by the one and holy one at sinai.
>or are they trying to keep Jews from becoming religious.
That’s where you underdoxes excel at. Hence ‘disgusteds’ fierce protest.
>You also have the nerve to say that I am anti-Semitic and Racist of which neither is true.
Your blog certainly comes across that way.
>Even if they were, anti-semitism and open racism is protected under the constitution.
Loshon Hora is also permitted under the constitution. Therefore for a Jew, its permitted?!
Hey Disgusted,
Why don’t you go start up your own blog and write all about how your disgusted and interesting stuff like that? Wouldn’t that be great? And you’d attract all kinds of other disgusting people and you’ll all rank on each other and shit? Huh, why not, huh?
>Bloggers have done wonders for the Rabbis who now actually admit if they covered up a sex abuse scandal. But I guess if they are a rabbi its ok right?
Hmmm, Adolf Eichman also did wonders by allowing the Kasner Train with 1684 Jews to escape the holocaust. Should we praise him for that?
>What a fraud?
Thus speaks the master frauder herself.
>Ed, see what happens when you send your kid to a charidei school?
Yes. And I’m proud.
>She needs remedial classes in English.
Actually, her spelling was nowhere as bad as the anti-frum bloggers.
>This girl is ridiculous.
I wouldn?t take her seriously, at least not while she?s just some naive little Beis Yakov girl, probably.
I wouldn’t take you with your corrupted distorted education too seriously either.
>She obviously lives in a bubble or under a rock!
You obviously had a rock tossed at your head.
You know, all people other than me suck. Just ask me! You know who sucks the most? You. You really suck. And I’m really great. And, believe me, I know. Now, just go away or I’ll have to think of another smart thing to say.
B”H
I think she’s a little too young to be reading this blog.
>Now, just go away or I?ll have to think of another smart thing to say.
LOL. I look forward to hearing some “more strokes of brilliance” from you. [/sarcasm]
I was writing a long comment and then accidently x-ed out of this tab.
I just have one question for ed, why keep reading this blog and clogging up the comment section if you find this blog so awful? I’m sure there are better things you could be doing with your time.
Your enthusiastic mockery of Disgusted’s grammar and spelling does not lessen the truth of her words. Poking fun does not detract from its validity. Sorry.
“>This girl is ridiculous.
I wouldn?t take her seriously, at least not while she?s just some naive little Beis Yakov girl, probably.
I wouldn’t take you with your corrupted distorted education too seriously either.
>She obviously lives in a bubble or under a rock!
You obviously had a rock tossed at your head”
I didn’t insult you, so don’t insult me. How can my education be corrupted and distorted when it’s the exact same seminary education this Disgusted Girl will be getting?
I can admit that I should not have commented or said anything about the girl or her education or anything at all about her, for that matter. I made a mistake by attempting to insult her in order to discredit the views she’s stated.
But can you do the same? My personal attack on this girl was unwarranted, as are the personal attacks you keep making on others here. I’m not judging, I’m merely pointing out facts.
For the first time, I’m on your side.
Ed?? Ok let me put this simply enough for someone of your intellect to understand! You do not know me, have never seen me and probably never will, know nothing about me and also probably never will. I live in an extremely sheltered community but am very open minded. I am very opposed to being closed minded because that is inflicting your exact lifestyle on other people. But this website is beyond all that. I am not your typical ‘frum’ girl at all and if you knew me you would be shocked at how angry this has made me. But to see a website where its sole purpose is to discrimintate Judaism and see it being run by a ‘yid with a warped perspective’ is disgraceful. I would not be doing the right thing by standing by and not voicing my opinion. Yes I visited Leah or something like thats site and I am not even prepared to comment. She obviously has severe issues and thats not her fault. Her approach o Judaism is apikores and she is fully aware of that. So yes in an obvious way your site is different but on the whole its pretty similar. Yours too is a big chilul Hashem!! And as a ‘frum yid’ I would have thought you were aware of the punishment for that.
Originally South African, now British and currently in Maryland. I am neither naive or stupid; I know exactly what is out there and whats happening in the world but that doesnt mean this kind of thing should just go past incidently. By me being far from perfect I mean that I am not a charedi girl who accepts everything with a closed mind. Im not that. If yoou cant accept that then so be it..I just know that if someone like me is horrified by this then why are so many of you ok with this? People can be different of course but are we not all ultimately reaching for the sanme point? WE can get there however we want, true, but dont you want Moshiach? Dont you want happiness? This so called humour website is not funny and is showing the corrupt society we live in. This is not funny, its self destructive.
>I didn?t insult you, so don?t insult me.
Just to clarify, my intent was not to insult, but to point out how the insults that you hurled at “Disgusted” are equally applicable to you.
>How can my education be corrupted and distorted when it?s the exact same seminary education this Disgusted Girl will be getting?
Then its your brain that’s corrupted. To much blogging, me thinks.
>I can admit that I should not have commented or said anything about the girl or her education or anything at all about her, for that matter. I made a mistake by attempting to insult her in order to discredit the views she?s stated.
Aaaaahhhhh! Finally!
>But can you do the same? My personal attack on this girl was unwarranted, as are the personal attacks you keep making on others here.
I rarely pop up on blogs simply to insult people. What I do a lot is take insults hurled by others, and throw it back at them.
>disgusted // Aug 14, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Ed??
Hi there. Not sure if you’re familar with the style comments that I drop around Jblogs, but I’m a very pro-Right Wing commenter who isn’t afraid to take on the big wigs like Hesh and company. I call their mockery and denigrations as I see it.
Keep up your good work here and don’t get intimidated by the loudmouths.
well she kinda opened my eyes up a bit but you just have the nerve to write what most ppl are thinking anyway- retarted things ppl do when bored in shul…etc. as for the poking fun at bans its a bit blunt tho im really not sure if it crosses the line of all in the fun. i dont know how u think r gedolim too much for u and u think their nuts cuz i guess that might be a problem….i dunno i wouldnt compare it to ‘dirty jew’ as she did im on the fence but then if i think about it i wouldnt not want my hypothetical kids readin this but i wouldnt want them watching half the things i watch either so maybe ur as bad as a sketchy episode of scienfeld which just comes out funny in the end anyway
as a matter of interest to those of u who keep saying frum skewls say rabbis are perfect heres some actual fact on what weve learnt- rabbis have daas torah which makes it unlikely that they’d err and in the case that they do hashem makes their mistake the right thing. of course sources are then quoted as well for validation.
Fuck this lets you guys should go smoke some trees!
Ok rebel and Mookie- first of all, this blog is not serious 99% of the time and the fact I put her comments up was just trying to show how serious people take my posts- which are total comedy.
I happen to agree with a lot of what Ed and Disgusted are saying- in fact if I were not writing the darned stuff I would probably sound like them.
But you know what? Like everyone I have my nisrynos and tayvos and my taiva in life is writing about frummies. I do a great job and as of yet have no intention of stopping.
Maybe I will throw in some positive hashgacha prutus chicken soup for the frummy type stuff to even the load.
“rabbis have daas torah which makes it unlikely that they’d err and in the case that they do hashem makes their mistake the right thing.” Are you kidding me- Rabbis don’t err? I have yet to know a rabbi who hasn’t erred. From Rabbis who run cancer organizations smoking in front of the cancer patients to other rabbis covering up child molestation. It is because people think that they do not err that they continue to abuse their power. Giving Rabbonim unlimited power is dangerous. Daas Torah is dead in this generation. Certain “gedolim” in Eretz Yisrael will sign any silly ban and piece of paper that is put in front of them. There needs to be a system of checks and balances. Call it yeridas hadoros or whatever you want but we are not producing “gedolim” of the caliber of previous generations. We are going to be in big trouble when Rav Elyashiv and Co. pass on to the next world and a group of kooks take over. Riots in Bet Shemesh will only be the beginning. I fear we will end up looking the Taliban. It’s time to stop and take a look at the bigger picture.
“Violence is the last resort of the incompetent”
-Isaac Asimov
Ed, Frum Hiker, Disgusted girl, Aliza, etc. I have already addressed this issue of Israeli rosh yeshivos making takkanos. ED, apparently you are too immature yourself to respond to my reserved and intelligent comments. I have clearly stated that a respected Israeli FAR right wing Rosh Yeshiva who has access to the takkanah makers and has written many seforim has clarified this for me. He said straight up that these rabbonim are surrounded by jobless hanger-ons who badger them to sign things. Once these idiots get through to one gadol, the ones badgering the next one have a much stronger case. The type of arguement that you are employing ED AND DISGUSTED is called “ad hominem” and attacks the arguer rather than the arguement. Let us face the real issues here and leave our testosterone somewhere else
fh, making fun of frummies in shul or how difficult shomer negya is or how brown shabbos food is or singles events is … funny
this wasnt funny.. sorry..
Well then hiker..if you agree with some of the stuff but are just too caught up in the atention to stop, then you are wrong! Is it good stuff? I don’t know because from the first word I was shocked so I can’t even comment on if its good stuff. Maybe its good for propaganda against Jews or anti orthdox but as a ‘frum yid’ its just plain wrong! Apparently you have a gift for writing or for dare I say ‘humour’ so why do you have to utilise it in such a detrimental way?? Yes its detrimental for us, the Jews. Us as in me, YOU, all the balei teshua who read this and the rest of the people who become desensitized. What I’m most surprised at is how you are proud of this website and are more than eager for people to acknowledge you as the founder! WHy?????? I have seen pictures, seen your facebook and seen your site and nothing has impressed me. Maybe its just me! Just one single person in the whole world who this has affected. But thats a reason to think it through. Because I have witnessed a chilul Hashem and it has bothered me. You imposed this website on me by it being public. I came across it by accident and I could not help but read it. And now I keep coming back to see whats going on. Out of disgust as my name clearly states. So there you are; one victim! From far far away and yet I count. I am bothered by your humour and this website opened in front of me revealing a big chilul Hashem.
Thats me..one down millions left to go! And at the rate your going you will successfully perform this desocration of holiness countless more times.
Hey Disgusted:
Were you one of the folks who came across it by accident through your searching for frum porn.
It happens to be that I think dissent within the frum community is GOOD.
You kind of sound like those folks who like to follow their leaders no matter what. First of all, if someone makes a stupid rule, not one, but dozens that alienate many folks from yiddishkeit I think it is good for someone to speak out. Well lots of folks have spoken out.
So do you think it was a chillul Hashem for 10,000 people- mostly charedim at that- to violate the ban and attend the concert anyway, Sounds like some sort of silent disobedience to me.
The goal of this site besides making people laugh- which I do a damned good job at- when they dont have their kishkes tied in a ball- is to shows how dumb many of the actions within the frum community that people take are.
I guess I have the same mission as http://endthemadness.com
I do this within a non-politically correct fashion that causes some to criticize- while MOST of of my readers take it with a grain of salt and laugh. I am not trying to be all serious.
The funny thing is, that I am considered to be one of the positive bloggers. And just because you were born and lived in different places has nothing to do with your knowledge.
Tell me are you aware of the Star-K finally admitting they had sexual molester within its ranks that they knew about for years. I was sitting in Rabbi Goldbergs shull in BT when he made the announcement and patted himself on the back for making it.
Funny because if we would have followed our leaders and not questioned I bet you non of the shocking stories would be released. Questioning your faith and leaders is the only way to improve the religion.
I’m kinda siding with m00kie here, I think that ed and disgusted do raise some valid points; I for one am not comfortable with all the criticism of the gedolim. Most of the content on this site is harmless and good fun, and I think that criticism of this is just being silly. Im not talking about sexual references, if you look through the archives you will see that the vast majority of posts are merely very funny observations of human behaviour. Ok so they happen to be about Jews but thats because we are Jewish and thats what we know and what interests us. Theres nothing inherently anti-semitic about them. C’mon do you really take offense at depictions of nose-picking and awkward singles events?
Frum Hiker // Aug 15, 2007 at 1:29 am Ok rebel and Mookie- first of all, this blog is not serious 99% of the time and the fact I put her comments up was just trying to show how serious people take my posts- which are total comedy.
Ok, Hesh I thought you were going to say this instead:
“Ok rebel and Mookie. I have the baby oil. Please keep on the mattress during your catfight” LOL
Ok, Hesh I thought you were going to say this instead:
“Ok rebel and Mookie. I have the baby oil. Please keep on the mattress during your catfight” LOL
Rebel–Love u and miss u
Hesh- U know Im ur biggest fan but really all this serious shit is really annoying…Thats why i dont comment much- people take this way too seriously! Keep it coming- you know theyd be pissed if you didnt- they would be so bored without you to bash.
Disgusted-
“I came across it by accident and I could not help but read it. And now I keep coming back to see whats going on.”
Get some self control- If it bothers you so much leave- dont you get that by coming back you are just showing everyone how immature you are and cant control your taivos to “see whats going on” you love all the attention your getting. Its pathetic.
Ok let me explain to you the basis of Judaism. Believing! Believing with no proof whatsoever but just because it feels right. You have to be able to differentiate as a mature adult what you must believe and what you should question. How do we know Judaism is correct? NOT by questioning but by believing! If we want to grow spiritually then we can question our actions and see if we are doing the right thing. If you hear something knew you can question that as well to check if you yourself should be keeping that. Thats what is meant by questioning. To start talking about the holiest known people in our time and dont you deny you dont think of them as holy, and questioning them is wrong. You have to believe someone inorder to believe in Judaism. Not everyone; there are many look decieving people who you think you can trust and follow but turns out you cant. Thats their problem, not yours. You have to know that you are basing your faith on the fact that you are watching holy sages in our times and can see how true it is. Again not everyone, but common sense should guide you.
People of huge Torah establishments may have gone wrong at some points but thats because the yetzer horah is stronger in holier people. Things happen and thats between them and G-D. Its NOT for any of us to challenge or discuss.
If you feel it necessary to question the biggest gedolim of our times about necessary chumros they have imposed, then you are lacking the fundamental basis of faith. You may not want to accept them and I am not saying I want to either but some people are listening and thats a huge kidush Hashem. Yes, thousands are ignoring the Rabonim and thats a chilul Hashem but at least they are not targeting and challenging the Rabbonim online on a public website where people can see.
We need to know we can believe in our biggest Rabbonin so that we can believe in Judaism even when we are being challenged by the rest of the world. Thats my point about following blindly and about when it is appropriate to question.
Jenthejewess I am sorry it bothers you that I am voicing my opinion. I feel so strongly about this and I feel comfortable stressing my points and this is what is meant by free speech. I am not targeting anyone in particular because thats not my point, I am targeting the website as a general epitome of Chilul Hashem and I wish some people would understand that. The reason I keep reading is because it is the chilul hashem which disgusts me to the point that I am almost desperately seraching for something which will show me that someone feels against it as well. Thats the yestzer Horah perhaps and I am not trying to act perfect or saintly so I can admit it may not be right for me to be doing this. I am simply following what I feel is right.
I also just want to add that this site does contain some good things as well. Some things are good and yes there is nothing wrong with making jokes and making people laugh but isnt there a point where humour and mocking cross each other?
Honestly Frum:
>Call it yeridas hadoros or whatever you want but we are not producing “gedolim” of the caliber of previous generations. We are going to be in big trouble when Rav Elyashiv and Co. pass on to the next world and a group of kooks take over. Riots in Bet Shemesh will only be the beginning. I fear we will end up looking the Taliban. It’s time to stop and take a look at the bigger picture.
IT is yeridas Hadoros!! Thats exactly what it is! Thats an inevtiable issue which is going to be whatever you say or try to do! You cant compete with G-D’s plan there. But heres an excellent way to strengthen yeridas
hadores and belittle the gedolim; this website!! By pointing out every mistake or so called mistake a Rabbi does, publicly, you are showing people that the rabbonim do not deserve respect. Is that what you genuinely feel becuase yes thats the message you are giving off? By slandering and shaming these rabbis you are making people subconciously lose respect for tehse rabbonim and slowly slowly these rabbonim lose their holy status. So if you are so worried about ensuring that the Gedolim don’t get taken pushed down and we continue to be guided by them then its probably best not to turn people against them because that is what you are currently doing!!yes something has to be done, we have to respect them more! We are also on a lower level, not just the gedolim, so instead of trying to perfect the world, in fact teh supporting people of the world, worry about yourself. This website is a chilul hashem and instead of trying to improve the world which maybe you genuinely are trying to do, you are making it harder to respect people.
We have to have undenying respect for our gedolim and understand that they are who they are for a reason and not try to find faults in them. Firstly it brings public attention to them which is not what we need and secondly its not your business. How would you like all your ‘mistakes’ broadcast online??
If you try tell te world how bad te gedolim are and how hard it is to respect them then yes, people will lose their respect for them. Simple as that really.
Very good site. Thank you!!
Nice site. Thanks.
Cool site. Thank you.