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YU Yeshivish label threatens the frum caste system!!!

Back in the day when I was in high school there was always talk of who was a faker and a poser. Folks who donned their penguin outfits, yet didnt adhere strictly to the law. Basically those who wore the black hats but still hooked up with girls and smoked on shabbos. These days a new faker has arisen- it is not as bad as say the frummy poser- but it is becoming more of a nuisance as classifications go, making it harder to judge people solely based on external qualities. This phenomena threatens the very social fabric that the whole frum community is based on- if we cannot judge other Jews based on external qualities, what will happen to the social caste system that has been based upon dividing black hat wearers and knit yarmulke folks?

In recent years there has been a new way of classifying oneself, this is the YU to the right category. It is basically someone who is in a YU smicha program who dresses and acts yeshivish- but in all reality they are infiltrating a cult that has been around for a long time and chooses to remain insular and we must fight against these so called YU to the right people who walk the walk and talk the talk- but you can still tell from a mile away if they attended MTA for high school or went to Chaim Berlin- its just this vibe these YU yeshiva guys give off.

It might just have to do with the way they talk to girls. Instead of the classic yeshiva guy way of asking them their last names and seeing if they know the girls brothers or cousins, they tend to look them in the eye and have a coherent conversation- clearly not a classic yeshiva guy. They also tend to look at women as people rather then either sex objects or a means to producing many binei torah.

The classic yeshiva guy uses terms like taka, nisroynos, shayich, shaychis, nishka freilich, vus titzich, dafka and plenty more in a flowy way. They have been using these terms their whole lives and they flow freely by the truckload from their mouths. The YU smicha guy just doesnt use them correctly, or they overuse them to prove their frumminess, all they do is warn the greasy yeshiva guy that there is an imposter in their presence. It warns the Lakewood Bochur immediately that while they slaved away at daf yomi in their summers at Camp Toras Chaim Tashbar- this imposter was soaking up the sun at machach in camp Moshava or working as an intern in some accounting office. And while this imposter was playing for the MTA floor hockey team on Sundays- the real yeshiva guy was slaving over three cups of coffee and a pack of cigarettes at morning seder.

If you take it one step further you can always find out instantly by eating at someones house if they have always been black hat or it is just a recent fascination that came along after a year spent at OJ or a few rehab years at Neveh. A casual look around the house will reveal if the kid actually had a hat at his bar mitzvah like a real yeshiva guy or if his bar mitzvah picture has him smiling in his knit yarmulke wearing a talis like a scarf.

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  • March 22, 2007, 5:11 PM

    Here is a major tip-off. When using a Yiddish adjective immediately before a noun you are supposed to add eh to the end of the adjective.
    So, thats a shtarke point not thats a shtark point (but, that point is shtark).
    On second thought, shtark is a majorly overused term that is pretty much a tip-off in itself. Yeshivish-wanna-bes are advised to replace shtark with eizen or another slightly more obscure term

  • March 22, 2007, 6:48 PM

    Thanks for the comments- shtark is becoming a very generic term that non-yeshiva people such as these YU to the right use quite a bit. It is kind of like the term shayich- also overly used by folks trying to infiltrate the insular yeshiva communities unnoticed. We will not stand it any longer- from now on we in the real-non-poser yeshiva communities will require that the person know many gemaras by the daf and mesechta by heart before we let them use out facilities.

    They will also have to carry around their bar mitzvah pictures that prove they indeed wore a BLACK hat at their bar mitzvah.

  • March 23, 2007, 7:43 AM

    the adjective “shtark” has been in use by a much older secular generation

  • March 24, 2007, 7:08 PM

    Wow, grammar rules for Yeshivishe Speak!

    On the bar mitzvah picture tip off: some go from the silk scarf tallis to the hat and then decide to go for the knit yarmulke sans hat, though their sons wouldn’t be caught dead in that “tallis” But I think if the feelings are really strong the bar mitzvah pictures would be hidden. But your proposal gives me an idea for a business for those adept at PhotoShop to doctor the pictures: they can remove the scarf, darken the suit to the requisite midnight hue, and top the boy’s head with a Borsalino. Hey, if it is frum to PhotoShop wedding pictures to get the chasson and kallah in together with family without taking an hour and a half after the chuppah to actually snap that many picture, it can be a frum innovation to PhotoShop the bar mitzvah pictures to what you wish they were based on what you are now.

  • utubefan April 3, 2008, 10:26 PM

    Love this. The hub and I think this is sooo true, especially since we were schooled in one circle and are now living in the second. One of our fears–although not our biggest, of course–is that our kids walk out of YU like those guys instead of going off to Law School like their supposed to, damn it!

  • Hesh April 4, 2008, 1:25 AM

    I love you people diggin in the old stuff- so your kids are in YU eh, yes they do frum out- but you can always tell where their roots are.

  • utubefan April 4, 2008, 4:38 PM

    Yeah, but in our case, their roots are all mixed up Chasidish, Litvish, 1/4 BT, and now MO loud and proud. Oh and my husband has some Carlebach vibes so we hang out with those folks too sometimes. My kids will be hard to figure out like their parents and that’s fine. We would like them to have good taste in music, though. Good Shabbos! Um…Shabbat Shalom.

  • Yehuda Hamer November 18, 2008, 6:40 AM

    This will only make them frum looking.

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